GameSpot's Slasher is reporting that Ryung will join Axiom Gaming, and that MMA is in negotiations between Evil Geniuses and Axiom Gaming. Also, that Alicia is in talks with teams, and has talked to Complexity, but nothing has been offered as of yet. An excerpt from the article:
A team executive close to the situation told GameSpot that former GSL and MLG Champion Mun "MMA" Seong Won is negotiating between teams Evil Geniuses and Axiom Gaming.
Jessica and Boxer, co-owners of Slayers. The source also said that Slayers Terran teammate Kim "Ryung" Dong Won will sign to Axiom Gaming, joining Choi "CranK" Jae Won as the second Korean player on the newly formed team by Genna Bain and John "Totalbiscuit" Bain.
"While Ryung and MMA are both still under contract, Slayers did give their departing players 30 days, prior to the end of their agreement, to seek out new opportunities," Axiom Gaming owner Genna Bain told GameSpot, regarding the potential signing.
It is said that MMA developed a strong connection to the Evil Geniuses over the course of the partnership, with both management and players, and is his optimal choice for where to go next.
I'd much prefer EG for MMA, even if Ryung and Crank are going to Axiom. He's friends with Puma and ThorZaIN, as well as JYP, I think. IdrA also spoke highly of MMA when casting his games at IEM WC.
MC's recent interview where he mentions that TL and EG as two of the best foreign teams, as far as taking care of players, swayed me enough.
EG has the money MMA wants (~4,000$ a month), Axiom has the friends MMA wants. I would love to see AxMMA, but it would only be logical for him to join EG. Sadly.
I guess at some point you'd have to ask the question whether EG is monopolizing the scene lol. I mean I guess its cool for all the biggest names to be on one team but it would just kind of be more exciting if they weren't.
MMA go to EG so you can actually get some super stud exposure, and be sent everywhere to every tournament. And maybe help puma get back into some kind of form.
On October 18 2012 09:26 Serinox wrote: EG has the money MMA wants (~4,000$ a month), Axiom has the friends MMA wants. I would love to see AxMMA, but it would only be logical for him to join EG. Sadly.
Is that true? 4k$ a month? WOW! Here in PH you work everday and get paid as low as 500$ a month -_-
Pretty soon EG's going to be at the point where they're benching their koreans in team matches just because they have so many. Right now with Jyp/Puma/Stephano taking up 3 slots in almost every MCSL match, Thorzain/Idra/Huk only play every so often, pretty soon we might barely see them play at all.
This is incredibly awesome . Though perhaps not for Slayers losing their two of their best players lol. EDIT: And I look up and see the "Slayers disbanding" thread. Curse me for not being observant! So I guess they don't much care that their players are leaving.
On October 18 2012 09:26 Serinox wrote: EG has the money MMA wants (~4,000$ a month), Axiom has the friends MMA wants. I would love to see AxMMA, but it would only be logical for him to join EG. Sadly.
Is that true? 4k$ a month? WOW! Here in PH you work everday and get paid as low as 500$ a month -_-
It was stated by Quantics CEO that MMA was searching for a team with this demand. That was roughly a month ago, but I doubt the situation has changed that much.
Why is everyone surprised to see EG have this much money? Their sponsors are realllllllly good. EG has done a good job since the cs 1.6 days not buying into source to keep their sponsors and add new ones. Keep up the good work EG =]
On October 18 2012 09:36 Caihead wrote: ._. this news just seems so sour after slayers disband, normally I would get excited but this just feels wrong.
what exactly is the bad side? whats done is done, if EG can put mma back on our screens i think a lot of people will be very happy
On October 18 2012 09:23 Cush wrote: What kind of Dough does EG have? Holy shit.
Well their Monster sponsorship is rumored to be 1 million dollars a year and their title sponsor is raidcall so that usually means that raidcall is paying more than that. So you figure it out lol. Plus their 5000000000 other sponsors lol.
I think it would be better for Sc2 for MMA to go to the smaller team Axiom and build up that brand which is right now community driven but the smarter decision is to go to EG where the (dirty) money is.
On October 18 2012 09:35 strength wrote: Why is everyone surprised to see EG have this much money? Their sponsors are realllllllly good. EG has done a good job since the cs 1.6 days not buying into source to keep their sponsors and add new ones. Keep up the good work EG =]
I think no one here is surprised that EG has much dirty money. But it gets really lame and boring that EG just buys every good player. Although it's great for the players, it puts EG in the place of NY Yankees. And nobody likes the Yankees.
It would be interesting to have an EG korean house and an EG US house, where JYP, Puma, Huk and visitors could have the korean house, with Idra, Incontrol, Machine and Demuslim in the US. I imagine people would move between the 2, particularly Thorzain and Stephano. It would be insane to have MMA join EG.
either team would be cool. i know it sucks that slayers disbanded but as long as our favorite players get salaried and are able to go to tournaments still isn't that good?
dunno y EG would want MMA tho O_o, hes on the decline and nothing really good has been said about him lately regarding him and Sc2. But who knows maybe it could be a turnaround for him if they get him for a reasonable price.
On October 18 2012 09:35 strength wrote: Why is everyone surprised to see EG have this much money? Their sponsors are realllllllly good. EG has done a good job since the cs 1.6 days not buying into source to keep their sponsors and add new ones. Keep up the good work EG =]
I think no one here is surprised that EG has much dirty money. But it gets really lame and boring that EG just buys every good player. Although it's great for the players, it puts EG in the place of NY Yankees. And nobody likes the Yankees.
As awesome as it is that EG has all these sponsors, I just wonder how they can pay all these championship winners AND keep adding to them. Its really impressive how they have managed their business.
On October 18 2012 09:40 mangomango wrote: I hope he goes for the money. It's first and foremost a business. He can hang out with his friends after he's got that mad bank yo!
Yeah, look at Huk lol. They don't care that he does it either.
On October 18 2012 09:42 SC_THORLORD wrote: EGMMARC or AXMMA they both don't work
Mabey he goes to EG, and then Ax and EG make a thing, so they work together
That would be so awesome, some sort of team league partnership.
Also, considering the size of EG's increasing Korean footprint, it would be interesting to see if they could nab a korean sponsor or 2, increase their visibility in the mecca?
I also think we should have Axe (the deodorant company) sponsor Axiom and have the Axiom members do EG style commercials with Axe products (instead of Kingston hyperX). That would be so awesome.
On October 18 2012 09:41 LimeNade wrote: dunno y EG would want MMA tho O_o, hes on the decline and nothing really good has been said about him lately regarding him and Sc2. But who knows maybe it could be a turnaround for him if they get him for a reasonable price.
Whenever EG picks up a rising player they fall. So maybe if they pick up a falling player he'll rise?!
On October 18 2012 09:23 Cush wrote: What kind of Dough does EG have? Holy shit.
Well their Monster sponsorship is rumored to be 1 million dollars a year and their title sponsor is raidcall so that usually means that raidcall is paying more than that. So you figure it out lol. Plus their 5000000000 other sponsors lol.
On October 18 2012 09:35 strength wrote: Why is everyone surprised to see EG have this much money? Their sponsors are realllllllly good. EG has done a good job since the cs 1.6 days not buying into source to keep their sponsors and add new ones. Keep up the good work EG =]
I think no one here is surprised that EG has much dirty money. But it gets really lame and boring that EG just buys every good player. Although it's great for the players, it puts EG in the place of NY Yankees. And nobody likes the Yankees.
On October 18 2012 09:23 Cush wrote: What kind of Dough does EG have? Holy shit.
Well their Monster sponsorship is rumored to be 1 million dollars a year and their title sponsor is raidcall so that usually means that raidcall is paying more than that. So you figure it out lol. Plus their 5000000000 other sponsors lol.
wow, not bad, a million?!?!
Highly doubt they get a million dollars lol probably around 100k - 250k a year, most athletes dont even get 1 million dollars from monster
On October 18 2012 09:23 Cush wrote: What kind of Dough does EG have? Holy shit.
Well their Monster sponsorship is rumored to be 1 million dollars a year and their title sponsor is raidcall so that usually means that raidcall is paying more than that. So you figure it out lol. Plus their 5000000000 other sponsors lol.
wow, not bad, a million?!?!
I heard it was 3 million. My friend also heard it was 9 million.
On October 18 2012 09:45 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm thinking they're getting MMA for rather cheap considering how long he's been looking as well as his lack of recent major achievements.
Am I wrote in this assumption?
I think that would be fairy accurate. He'll come at a discount price.
After reading the recent SlayerS thread, I'm surprised anyone would want to sign MMA. Then again...people seem to be falling all over themselves to sign Naniwa, so maybe people don't give a shit about difficult players. As long as you don't pull a Destiny, of course.
If MMA does not join EG, maybe that gives Axiom the room to get 3 of the rising SlayerS players. Like getting Dark, Arthur and Brown (although Brown still studies iirc), maybe then Dark, Arthur and Miya or Miso.
EGMMA is probably 70-80% chance of happening. Axiom does not have the infrastructure or straight up salary that MMA seems to want. Welp, it was fun having you in Korea MMA.
On October 18 2012 09:49 Serinox wrote: If MMA does not join EG, maybe that gives Axiom the room to get 3 of the rising SlayerS players. Like getting Dark, Arthur and Brown (although Brown still studies iirc), maybe then Dark, Arthur and Miya or Miso.
if they were willing to pay market wages, they could get a whole team of koreans ^_^
On October 18 2012 09:48 Mauldo wrote: After reading the recent SlayerS thread, I'm surprised anyone would want to sign MMA. Then again...people seem to be falling all over themselves to sign Naniwa, so maybe people don't give a shit about difficult players. As long as you don't pull a Destiny, of course.
He's going to EG though. Dat money.
People have no worries when they have enough money :D
EG is one of the last big teams that is still foreigner at heart. I'd really prefer seeing MMA on Axiom, since we've already seen one foreign team get overshadowed by one badass ex-SlayerS Terran they've recruited.
EGMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yayaayayayayaya but honestly i think he will go with his friends.either way gl to all hope everyone wins something right away glglglgl
I'm not seeing EG letting this one slipped through their fingers. He's way too good and popular. Plus they need strong players to feel in for the (virtually) washed up Lz, Machine and iNcontroL.
I LOVE Genna, she is extremely smart and eloquent in her articulation on eSports issues. I really hope MMA goes to Axiom and it starts developing into a strong team with amazing advocacy for it's players.
I very highly doubt that EG's Monster sponsorship is $1mm, and any savvy businessperson would low-ball MMA in this situation. We know (via Genna) what he's looking for; Axiom will not pay him this salary, and while EG can, I doubt they will.
I have a feeling MMA will go to EG based on the amount of money he would receive. However, if EG did receive MMA I would be astonished at how one team is able to take so many of the top players right now. EG would be such a powerhouse it might even seem unfair. Looking forward to seeing what MMA decides to do!
Everyone is forgetting that EG has friends too, so does Axiom. Thorzain and Puma are good friends with MMA and EG isn't restrictive about who players hang out with.... Look at Huk.. He lives with his ex-teammates with no problems. Good friends don't change if your team changes.
On October 18 2012 09:52 Jaaaaasper wrote: Meh. mma looks like a team cancer atm, eg or ax shouldn't touch him. He is, or war, a top terran, but he doesn't seem all that much of a team player.
Because Jessica said so at a very dramatic time within the team? I hope you seriously don't think he could possibly fuck anything up in a team as established and professional as EG...
Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
MMA to EG. How can you turn down Sir Scoots and his dirty money. Honestly though if EG were able to sign MMA they would have such a crazy stable of players that you would think that they would need to release someone soon.
On October 18 2012 09:57 feanor1 wrote: MMA to EG. How can you turn down Sir Scoots and his dirty money. Honestly though if EG were able to sign MMA they would have such a crazy stable of players that you would think that they would need to release someone soon.
On October 18 2012 09:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Ugghh. I didn't think today could get worse.
I really dont understand you people.
How is it worse if they are searching for new teams and EG or Axiom might be the ones they join?
Second thing I dont understand is the EG hate, fuck me right?
People hate dat dirty moneyz.
Don't understand the hate on "dirty money" like if Alex Garfield was a drug dealer yeah call it dirty money, but he has worked hard to get where he is now to get all those sponsors and etc.
I just want to see Teamliquid and EG join together and win GSTL to be honest, i think the ratings would go thru the roof if that happened
On October 18 2012 09:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Ugghh. I didn't think today could get worse.
I really dont understand you people.
How is it worse if they are searching for new teams and EG or Axiom might be the ones they join?
Second thing I dont understand is the EG hate, fuck me right?
People hate dat dirty moneyz.
Don't understand the hate on "dirty money" like if Alex Garfield was a drug dealer yeah call it dirty money, but he has worked hard to get where he is now to get all those sponsors and etc.
Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with you. My stupid spelling was to indicate sarcasm towards the idea.
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
EG It was harsh for me when you signed ThorZaiN one of my few favourite players. I started to like you. If you (EG/Axiom) sign MMA you have here in ME your BIGGEST FAN for SURE!!!!!!!!!!!
I do agree its a little sad that Liquid didn't pick up MMA. It seems like it would've been a good fit though they did just pick up Liquid Sea (which I don't think is quite MMA yet). There are a lot of other good slayers players though.
I don't like either player but Ryung is a nice pickup for Axiom. Paying $4k/month for MMA won't be worth it for either team. MMA without Ryu Won is just another terran. If EG is only looking for a Puma-like aquisition who focuses on the foreign scene that could work out. Even in his diminished state MMA could place top 4 at most foreign events.
On October 18 2012 09:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Ugghh. I didn't think today could get worse.
I really dont understand you people.
How is it worse if they are searching for new teams and EG or Axiom might be the ones they join?
Second thing I dont understand is the EG hate, fuck me right?
People hate dat dirty moneyz.
Don't understand the hate on "dirty money" like if Alex Garfield was a drug dealer yeah call it dirty money, but he has worked hard to get where he is now to get all those sponsors and etc.
I just want to see Teamliquid and EG join together and win GSTL to be honest, i think the ratings would go thru the roof if that happened
But how can he dare making money off esports .. it's disgusting tbh
GO to EG MMA! I highly doubt that Axiom could afford all three korean terrans at once (even more so with MMA). MMA would benefit greatly by going to EG.
MMA could help shore up Stephano's weakness to Terran, if Stephano is willing to commit to it. Axion would be a cooler choice and possibly the less risky (how is EG going to bankroll MMA AND Stephano AND Thorzain AND Idra AND Puma AND JYP, plus Lz, Machine and Incontrol?)
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
MMA isn't a risky investment at all and put the damn periods in there lol.
Pronouncing anything like EGMMARC or EGJYPRC is just funny as hell. Shouldn't even say the letters. Try pronouncing it as one word.
Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
MMA isn't a risky investment at all and put the damn periods in there lol.
Pronouncing anything like EGMMARC or EGJYPRC is just funny as hell. Shouldn't even say the letters. Try pronouncing it as one word.
He's already friends with the EG team and he will be better paid, so why not. As I understand it EG takes care of its players really well so they have all the time to practice and not worry over logistics....now it is up to the players what to do with their time.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
On October 18 2012 09:35 strength wrote: Why is everyone surprised to see EG have this much money? Their sponsors are realllllllly good. EG has done a good job since the cs 1.6 days not buying into source to keep their sponsors and add new ones. Keep up the good work EG =]
I think no one here is surprised that EG has much dirty money. But it gets really lame and boring that EG just buys every good player. Although it's great for the players, it puts EG in the place of NY Yankees. And nobody likes the Yankees.
Yea, the billions of people wearing Yankees apparel would disagree with you. Would you rather have great players being forced into shitty teams like Blight Gaming? I for one am just glad that EG can keep proving people wrong and showing that it is possible to make Esports profitable if you know what you are doing.
Take into an account that I'm an ORIOLES fan and I can't even agree with that statement. The bigger you are, the more haters you'll have. Doesn't mean you aren't successful. In fact it probably means the exact opposite.
On October 18 2012 09:58 richy24 wrote: Join the team where you can enjoy, MMA.
Which one? Right now Axiom has Crank and Ryung(if Slasher is right, seems pretty damn likely), while EG has JYP and Puma. MMA practices with JYP and Puma nearly as much as the other two, and thanks them in interviews just as much if not more. EG is undoubtedly the bigger, more established, team that will provide more money.
If EG gets MMA I wouldn't be surprised if they looked to get some type of house in Korea. Three Koreans and Huk that live in Korea full time, with Stephano visiting quite often, and Idra every now and than(might be more frequent, perhaps permanent if they had a proper house).
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
Yeah Liquid makes hipster picks. MMA is not a hipster pick.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
Hero? He was always known for being really really good. If you're going to pick a single person, I'd say Zenio. But given what we've seen from him (ever?), there's not much talent there.
Going by what Zenio has done since he joined, that is (nothing). He may be quite good, but it hasn't been proved in tournaments.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Why would Liquid want a washed up, moneyhungry player? I really do not understand why any "top tier" team would want MMA.
I hope Axiom picks up Ryung. I think potential wise he is one of the best terrans you can get. I also feel his style translates great for foreigner tournys format. MMA at this point is not worth his market value for a smaller team like Axiom. They could get better and more talent instead of MMA.
On a positive note, I'm glad these two have team offers/acceptances so quickly, especially after the final SlayerS fiasco. While I love Axiom as a new team, either EG or Axiom would be a fine choice for MMA, as pointed out in terms of friends/management competence/finances. I think if I were MMA I'd go to EG; I like Axiom a lot more than EG, but EG is just more stable. At the very least MMA will have a cool retirement fund .
On October 18 2012 09:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Ugghh. I didn't think today could get worse.
I really dont understand you people.
How is it worse if they are searching for new teams and EG or Axiom might be the ones they join?
Second thing I dont understand is the EG hate, fuck me right?
People hate dat dirty moneyz.
Don't understand the hate on "dirty money" like if Alex Garfield was a drug dealer yeah call it dirty money, but he has worked hard to get where he is now to get all those sponsors and etc.
I just want to see Teamliquid and EG join together and win GSTL to be honest, i think the ratings would go thru the roof if that happened
But how can he dare making money off esports .. it's disgusting tbh
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not.. But EG has been in esports for such a long time.. He *alex garfield* deserves everything what he is gaining now. I remember still watching EG back in the days, they were just a Canadian based team and when i see them now i get happy from what they achieve.
Most old school teams die out like Team3d, JAX, oGs from not knowing how to market there team, and make money. It is the whole point of having a team is to make money and he has done a good job at doing it.
From a fan from back in the days i am proud of being a EG fan from the beginning to now. And making money off esports is disgusting...? hmm its like working at your job and taking salary is disgusting, hard work pays off.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Why would Liquid want a washed up, moneyhungry player? I really do not understand why any "top tier" team would want MMA.
Name recognition + potential of him getting better again. Although hes been kind of mediocre in the GSL lately so...
Craazyyyy. MMA to EG or Axiom are both equally awesome.
Really glad Ryung found a team so quickly - i don't feel like his time is over and I reallly hope that Axiom can give him the foreign opportunities needed to break out. Not to mention he's a very fun guy and I think Axiom could really develop that =)
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
Hero? He was always known for being really really good. If you're going to pick a single person, I'd say Zenio. But given what we've seen from him (ever?), there's not much talent there.
Going by what Zenio has done since he joined, that is (nothing). He may be quite good, but it hasn't been proved in tournaments.
Zenio has reclaimed his Code S status while being under Liquid. That's more than nothing. Also HerO was not on the radar of many people. What did he do? He showed potential yes, but so did other players and those players still achieved more than qualifying for Code A once or twice and win one GSTL match against Genius.
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pick up players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Why would Liquid want a washed up, moneyhungry player? I really do not understand why any "top tier" team would want MMA.
your ignorance of MMA's marketability for teams is astounding and comical
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
Hero? He was always known for being really really good. If you're going to pick a single person, I'd say Zenio. But given what we've seen from him (ever?), there's not much talent there.
Going by what Zenio has done since he joined, that is (nothing). He may be quite good, but it hasn't been proved in tournaments.
Zenio has reclaimed his Code S status while being under Liquid. That's more than nothing. Also HerO was not on the radar of many people. What did he do? He showed potential yes, but so did other players and those players still achieved more than qualifying for Code A once or twice and win one GSTL match against Genius.
Fair enough. Guess I meant something more recent than 8-10 months ago.
On October 18 2012 09:44 m1rk3 wrote: Don't go to EG, Idra is there and the curse as well.
FFS Liquid should pick up MMA
Liquid MMA!
Liquid should not go near him with a 30 foot pole and a contract lawyer, he seems like a team house cancer, and liquid tries to pick up players they think are going up, not down. Edit: arthur brown and dark seem to be more liquid's type.
And EG needs to retain a relevant foreigner core. IdrA, Huk, Thorzain and Demuslim are all still decent to top class and need to not be eclipsed by another korean sign up.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
Hero? He was always known for being really really good. If you're going to pick a single person, I'd say Zenio. But given what we've seen from him (ever?), there's not much talent there.
Going by what Zenio has done since he joined, that is (nothing). He may be quite good, but it hasn't been proved in tournaments.
Zenio has reclaimed his Code S status while being under Liquid. That's more than nothing. Also HerO was not on the radar of many people. What did he do? He showed potential yes, but so did other players and those players still achieved more than qualifying for Code A once or twice and win one GSTL match against Genius.
Fair enough. Guess I meant something more recent than 8-10 months ago.
Then you should've said "What has Zenio done recently?"
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
MMA isn't a risky investment at all and put the damn periods in there lol.
Pronouncing anything like EGMMARC or EGJYPRC is just funny as hell. Shouldn't even say the letters. Try pronouncing it as one word.
I believe MMA is a risky investment. It is very hard to say where an EG.MMA.RC would be in 6 months. Maybe he would get even more complacent and barely practice, and then disappear in a year when his contract runs out, or maybe he will find his motivation and drag himself out of his slump and become the world class player we all remember. There is a huge variance in his expected future skill, and even if it is mostly positively skewed EG are going to have to pay for his current image and the potential he has, whether or not any of that remains 6 months from now.
I guess risk may have been a bit of an incorrect term to use. More precisely I'm saying that MMA's future skill has huge variance, and is skewed positively. Therefore the rate of return on him will also have a huge variance.
I would be surprised if you couldn't pick up 2 ordinary A team Slayers players for the price of MMA, and there is a large probability that they would do just as well (though you would also have to pay for twice as many flights so it isn't that simple).
This is of course all speculation based on publically released information, and I admit I may be completely wrong.
God damnit Slasher, I feel like you really should put a bigger disclaimer that this is all "supposed" none of this is absolutely concrete yet, as far as I have seen. He does subtly note that this is all "according to a source" at the very least...
On topic: if this is true, Totalbiscut's team is looking good, but I hope they dont get MMA simply because he always overshadows Ryung and I would really like Ryung to be in the spotlight for a team.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
Tyler after his BW achievements, Huk after an MLG(I believe he was on Mill for his first MLG), Zenio had been in code S before, Taeja had some amazing results in the GSTL, Ret was an extremely good foreign BW player. The myth that Liquid gets an unknown player and turns them into superstars is pretty weird to me, they have quite a few amazing players, and Taeja still has the potential to be the best in the world, but most of them were anything but unknown when they were picked up.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Why would Liquid want a washed up, moneyhungry player? I really do not understand why any "top tier" team would want MMA.
your ignorance of MMA's marketability for teams is astounding and comical
Regardless, there's enough character issues floating to the surface here to give teams pause.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4. That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012.
And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
Tyler after his BW achievements, Huk after an MLG(I believe he was on Mill for his first MLG), Zenio had been in code S before, Taeja had some amazing results in the GSTL, Ret was an extremely good foreign BW player. The myth that Liquid gets an unknown player and turns them into superstars is pretty weird to me, they have quite a few amazing players, and Taeja still has the potential to be the best in the world, but most of them were anything but unknown when they were picked up.
I said 'recent' and 'not long after' multiple times, not to mention 'high-profile' which I used to indicate prominence in mainstream attention rather than evidence for talent. Huk is the only example you list that actually fits these criteria.
I also didn't say anything that indicated adherence to the myth you speak of at the end.
mma should be one of the biggest names on the "player market".
the reason (besides skill obviously) is marketing. nonames wont bring you fans and mma is still one of the biggest names imho. also, but maybe i'm alone with this, he is not some <18 yo teenager, but a man and a veteran of esports and we cant have enough of those in sc2 proscene.
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again
So it is not a change in practice environment after being reprimanded and after Boxer leaving? It isn't simply him entering into a slump like so many others, maybe even a permanent one? It isn't a lack of motivation? It isn't the lack of a rigorous practice environment? How sure can you really be that he will regain his form with EG, especially considering they do not have a stable Korean practice environment like Slayers had? And even then will he be overshadowed by KeSPA players? You must admit that there is a non-negligible risk that he will not be world class again with EG. And if he doesn't regain his form, then that residual fanbase is only going to shrink.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4. That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012.
And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG.
Those events are why I put the "especially" in there.
I'm just trying to give a diagnosis for the widespread belief that Liquid and EG differ with respect to buying already established talent. And the explanation I gave seems fairly likely. When you buy someone right after a high profile win, it's going to look less like building up talent than if you bought Taeja whose talent (though it already existed) was less widely publicized.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pick up players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
Thorzain, Huk and Stephano were all signed when their contract negotiation periods were open. If EG hadn't signed them, any other team would have done so at the exact same time.
Puma is the only one that remotely fits your criteria, and that situation was...complicated.
On October 18 2012 09:56 Mackus wrote: Think Ryung will go to Axiom seeing as he's really good friends with Crank and the pair did spend a day together at TotalBiscuit's house when MLG flights were cancelled due to weather.
MMA I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what he'd actually offer to EG - His downfall started when he lost his Personal coach to a Kespa team so unless EG are willing to invest in one I cant see any benefits on both sides.
The article states that Ryung WILL go to Axiom. It is only MMA who is considering.
Currently the market value of MMA ought to be fairly low. The market for talented Koreans is currently flooded with ex-Slayers and ex-oGs players (in particular terrans), and the Korean scene is oversaturated with players and teams ever since KeSPA joined SC2 (we have ~15 pro Korean SC2 teams). In addition he has unsuccessfully been looking for a foreign team. He should be fairly cheap to get currently, and he has the potential to become one of the best in the world as he has shown in the past. He is a cheap, risky investment with potential for very high rate of return and there is nothing wrong with that. And yeah he is not getting $4k/month. That was what he wanted, and no one wanted to pay it, and now his situation is even worse, so obviously the price has gone down considerably or Axiom/EG are crazy.
EDIT: Also EGMMARC looks like EGM Marc to me, which is very confusing.
what? MMA is a two-time GSL champion, MLG champion, Iron Squid Champion, IEM champion.. in other words, he's a champion. Even if his results as of late don't meet his usual standards, he still has insane marketability and a huge fan base. Plus, it's pretty clear that his decline in skill is largely due to the conflicts slayers has been having, so on a new stable team he would surely begin to show his best play again
Thanks for that. The loss of coach Ryu Won is way overblown imo, and MMA's play still can be inspiring, in spite of defeat or close victories in NASL
On October 18 2012 09:45 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm thinking they're getting MMA for rather cheap considering how long he's been looking as well as his lack of recent major achievements.
Am I wrote in this assumption?
I thought SlayerS was saying they wouldn't allow MMA to join another team, at least without consulting with them. Teams that were interested may have just received a wall of silence or a "not now" or an unreasonably high price. I don't see a reason to assume MMA isn't worth a pretty good salary, probably higher than everyone but Stephano's (and yes, I feel MMA when this crap is behind him is better than Stephano but even then not quite as marketable, unless Stephano has more issues).
MMA please bring about the death of deathballs with your multitasking (no more viking mis-rallies).
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pick up players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
Thorzain, Huk and Stephano were all signed when their contract negotiation periods were open. If EG hadn't signed them, any other team would have done so at the exact same time.
Puma is the only one that remotely fits your criteria, and that situation was...complicated.
I don't know why everyone is jumping on my post as though I endorsed the Liquid/EG myth.
What criteria don't the others fit in virtue of having open negotiation periods? None of the ones I listed rule this out, so I'm assuming that you made up additional criteria that do conflict with it to fit your assumption that I endorse the myth.
After the allegations against the two by Jessica which she can apparently back up, I'd think other teams would be more cautious about picking them up just yet.
On October 18 2012 10:11 stillthechosen1 wrote: Why hasn't there been a mention of Liquid Approaching MMA? MMA and Taeja used to be on the same team, they could be the new Terran tandom on liquid, and they could each mold Sea into a very strong Terran player. I'm hoping Liquid enters their name into the pot.
Because Liquid picks up unknown talent, not two-time GSL champions
No they don't. The only good example of unknown talent they picked up would be Hero.
A more accurate generalization would be that EG tends to pickup players not long after high profile achievements, whereas Liquid does not. Thorzain after Dreamhack, Puma after NASL, Huk not long after Homestory/Dreamhack, Stephano after a few of his never ending stream of high profile wins.
That said, MMA does not have especially recent high profile victories.
This year he has won IEM Kiev, and Iron Squid. 3rd in IEM World Championship and 4th IPL 4. That would make him only 1 tournament worse than Stephano, of course Stephano gets the racism bonus for not being Korean so that makes him 'clearly' better, and significantly better performance than anyone else on EG in 2012.
And of course he won the GSL twice, which would make him the best player on EG.
Those events are why I put the "especially" in there.
I'm just trying to give a diagnosis for the widespread belief that Liquid and EG differ with respect to buying already established talent. And the explanation I gave seems fairly likely. When you buy someone right after a high profile win, it's going to look less like building up talen than if you bought Taeja whose talent (though it already existed) was less widely publicized.
fair enough, but the reason we dont see him as successful in 2012 as in 2011 is solely because of his crap GSL record. But that still makes him one of the best SC2 pros, easily better than anyone on EG except for Stephano.
It would have been nice to see both MMA and Ryung go to EG, but I guess you can't get both. I think MMA will have more exposure with EG, and more opportunities for foreign events, so I would be more happy to see MMA go to EG.
On October 18 2012 10:43 Dontkillme wrote: Why doesn't MMA go to a korean team? I guess after what happened with Slayers, they don't want players from Slayers.... This is a sad day
Would you be comfortable joining a team that had put an embargo on you and wouldn't let their players practice with you? That would be mighty fucking uncomfortable for me. He also apparently said he would never join another Kespa team. Seems he has no other option other than joining a foreign team.
No offense to Axiom, but EG is EG. Proven money and management. As much as I like TB and have no reason to think little of his wife, they're just now getting their chops in the scene, while EG is essentially the most established brand in SC2. I am not sure if resisting the siren's song would be the right career choice for MMA, whose recent results have been somewhat not promising.
lol so for MMA its either the a good team with down-to-earth managers and the prospects of playing with old teammates.... or money.... we'll see what happens i guess.
I wonder who EG is going to have to let go to make room for these new players? Hopefully not but if they keep on adding players someone has to be pushed out.
On October 18 2012 09:16 Grampz wrote: ABCDEGMMARC
This is genius. Also isn't Total-biscuit a fucken BOUSE for picking up slayers members for his new team.. Axiom is shaping up to be a sick team and if they keep in mind and actually do what they have been talking about (TB and his Girl), its going to be great. That bit about healthcare, training houses, and general wellness of players such as arriving early to an event is going to give these great players an edge. If you cant tell - I'm really excited for Axiom!!
On October 18 2012 11:08 MSMWoZZki wrote: lol so for MMA its either the a good team with down-to-earth managers and the prospects of playing with old teammates.... or money.... we'll see what happens i guess.
On October 18 2012 11:08 MSMWoZZki wrote: lol so for MMA its either the a good team with down-to-earth managers and the prospects of playing with old teammates.... or money.... we'll see what happens i guess.
EG isn't a good team? What is your problem with EG managers?
I really hope he goes to Axiom. They seem to care about their players a lot (I'm sure EG does aswell) but I also don't want all players to join EG lol.
This is really sad, I hope MMA goes to EG just because it feels like he is a bad influence in the locker room and they can set him straight (coming from the jessica translation) but on the other hand maybe he should just recover from the SlayerS thing in Axiom with his best bros.
On October 18 2012 11:30 GinDo wrote: Axiom to be Slayers 2.0
- Crank - MMA - Ryung
Damn.....
EDIT: LOL MMA and Idra in the same house.
EDIT2: He's probably debating whether to take EGs salary or be in a team with friends.
MMA and Idra have lived together before, Idra went to the SlayerS house early in 2012 for several month. MMA is good friends with Puma/JYP, so either way he's on a team with friends. Anything else you need cleared up?
How cool would it be if MMA joined Axiom along with Genius and Ganzi and they all realized their potential, winning the GSTL with a 5-man team... And then all of them flip of ST coach Mr. Won as their winning ceremony... Or maybe not. Was a good dream of vengeance though.
On October 18 2012 11:30 GinDo wrote: Axiom to be Slayers 2.0
- Crank - MMA - Ryung
Damn.....
EDIT: LOL MMA and Idra in the same house.
EDIT2: He's probably debating whether to take EGs salary or be in a team with friends.
MMA and Idra have lived together before, Idra went to the SlayerS house early in 2012 for several month. MMA is good friends with Puma/JYP, so either way he's on a team with friends. Anything else you need cleared up?
There is a difference between being good friends with someone and being best friends. Ryung/Crank/MMA seem to be very, very close.
So happy for both involved. Ryung I think is the best pickup from slayers and I think he will improve with a caring team. Also I can't wait to see him stream or do some personality bits, he seems like a funny guy!
Interesting, Ryung GL As for MMA, EG is awesome and established, Axiom is up and coming and where Genna wants to take the team seems awesome as well. Both seem like they would fit imo GL.
Axiom pros: -could become the next big team, lot of hopes -many korean friends Axiom cons: -team hasn't proved itself, will it still be there in a year? -less money
EG pros: -bigger salary, more exposure, established team EG cons: -most teammates are foreigners -cursed
this is mmas job. he doesn't make money from anywhere else. EG would be the obvious choice it seems regardless of where his friends are....and it's not like hes hurting anyone to get there
MMA is probably gonna go with Axiom, if everything Jessica said is true, and the MMA thing was because Crank wanted to leave, I don't see why he wouldn't follow him to Axiom.
So here is the thing about EG's lineup. If they get MMA they will never lose a clan war again. Because surely Huk, Stephano, Thorzain, Idra, puma, JYP and then MMA(should he choose to join) will win games.Tthat will be the best lineup a foreign team could ask for. If EG doesn't win every clan war, or have a player in the Top 4 of every tournament then the curse is real.
On October 18 2012 12:15 Ricoic wrote: MMA is probably gonna go with Axiom, if everything Jessica said is true, and the MMA thing was because Crank wanted to leave, I don't see why he wouldn't follow him to Axiom.
On October 18 2012 11:58 DOUDOU wrote: hmm tough choice for MMA
Axiom pros: -could become the next big team, lot of hopes -many korean friends Axiom cons: -team hasn't proved itself, will it still be there in a year? -less money
EG pros: -bigger salary, more exposure, established team EG cons: -most teammates are foreigners -cursed
Axiom has 2 Korean players on it's team, so does EG
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
I'm really mean for thinking this way, but I hope MMA doesn't stick with Ryung, and that Ryung starts playing awesome at Axiom with MMA falling behind in EG.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
That depends on what's true, if Boxer is only following what his wife says because she is his wife then, yes I would take Mvp's word over Boxer's, and if Mvp is saying MMA is kind, and dedicated what does that say about the Slayers training environment? Maybe it was terrible? a lot of players disliked it seems. Normally I would trust what Boxer said but there were a lot of internal problems with Slayers, as this whole fiasco showed us(if there wasn't internal problems with Slayers this wouldn't have happened)
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
Maybe he's both bad to team spirit and a really kind and dedicated player at the same time Although that would raise a lot of questions about the training they had
EDIT: And I don't think BoxeR specifically told a 3rd party that MMA was bad to team spirit? afaik it's all been Jessica minding the PR, and I don't believe in one-sided stories.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
That depends on what's true, if Boxer is only following what his wife says because she is his wife then, yes I would take Mvp's word over Boxer's, and if Mvp is saying MMA is kind, and dedicated what does that say about the Slayers training environment? Maybe it was terrible? a lot of players disliked it seems.
Arghh, I wish BoxeR and MMA also gave their personal thoughts and words Edit: And seeing how couple of other pros retweeted MVP's tweet (PartinG, Tassadar to name a few), MVP's words have power
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
That depends on what's true, if Boxer is only following what his wife says because she is his wife then, yes I would take Mvp's word over Boxer's, and if Mvp is saying MMA is kind, and dedicated what does that say about the Slayers training environment? Maybe it was terrible? a lot of players disliked it seems. Normally I would trust what Boxer said but there were a lot of internal problems with Slayers, as this whole fiasco showed us(if there wasn't internal problems with Slayers this wouldn't have happened)
Boxer always lived in the training house before his subsequent injury, you don't think he's fully capable of making his own judgement? You would rather believe MVP who does not live in the Slayers house over someone who lived there firsthand? Someone who personally founded and financed the team through its infancy?
Korean guy chipping in. They all posted bunch of bullshit and turns out they were all bunch of shitheads especially alicia. I hope they all get banned from sc2 or something. It's unbelievable how fucked up the story was
Basically both sides of the stories were told. And now EVERYONE is siding with Jessica. Someone will translate the posts later I'm sure. Shit's too long for me to do it.
They admitted the isolation, that coach guy being unprofessional as fuck, alicia was only mad because the whole team didn't worship him as if he was some sort of a god etc
Why are people so outraged that EG has so much money, 4k/mo is probably a big deal in Korea but im sure that doesnt exactly make him super rich. Here in NY that's just a month's RENT. On his fanbase alone, MMA deserves that much money (more people to see EG sponsors). If taking that much money is evil, I dont know what you consider athletes who receive $80million USD for 3 or 5 years.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
Boxer's word as told by Jessica...
His recent move to SKT1 as well as his refusal to comment re: MMA and this entire drama should perhaps be taken as an indication of whom he sides with, but I guess that that's just an argument from silence.
Keep in mind that Mvp is simply another player who probably knows significantly less about SlayerS' internal running and morale than Boxer and Jessica. I can be friendly with strangers/acquaintances all day, but that hardly means they can judge my character accurately.
MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
On October 18 2012 12:48 Washow wrote: MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
Wasn't that Ace ...?
I guess Ace's post was probably not the best for salvaging the reputation of the ST coach, but on the other hand, I guess it cleared the whole situation up, lol. He certainly needs to be more tactful in the future, but depending on how you look at it, we can probably even thank him for it.
On October 18 2012 12:48 Washow wrote: MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
Wasn't that Ace ...?
Yea? when did Mvp make a facebook post? and the coach to support would have been the ST coach so Mvp would made even less sense
On October 18 2012 12:48 Washow wrote: MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
That was Ace, do not call names at the wrong people. You sound like a typical raging parent who shows no maturity calling people "dumb kids" with "no education" If you think that's all video games are then you should not be here.
On October 18 2012 12:52 Tchado wrote: No not MMA :'( , I will have to become an EG fan......
You can always cheer for MMA without being an EG fan. I cheer for Incontrol all the time but I'm not much of an EG fan. You can always like the players and not the team
-edit- Man EG must have a lot of money to spend. They just signed Stephano, now they are trying to get MMA.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
Boxer's word as told by Jessica...
His recent move to SKT1 as well as his refusal to comment re: MMA and this entire drama should perhaps be taken as an indication of whom he sides with, but I guess that that's just an argument from silence.
Keep in mind that Mvp is simply another player who probably knows significantly less about SlayerS' internal running and morale than Boxer and Jessica. I can be friendly with strangers/acquaintances all day, but that hardly means they can judge my character accurately.
And if you look at Mvp's post, he isn't really saying Jessica is in the wrong. All he said was that MMA was a nice and dedicated guy and hopes the misunderstanding gets sorted out. Since MMA was depicted as a cancer, Mvp just wanted to let us know his opinion of MMA and for people to not make snap judgements.
On October 18 2012 12:48 Washow wrote: MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
This is the equivalent of having the Heat break up (and I don;t even like them) and having Lebron James go to play in Europe, albeit for an insane amount of money.Okay, it's not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.
On October 18 2012 12:48 Washow wrote: MVP's so fucking stupid lol. The facebook post he made today basically made everything blow up because he basically admitted everything. He wrote that post to "support" his coach but ruined everything because lol let's be honest, they are all dumb kids just good at video games and have no education
Polt and Nada say not so fast.
NaDa has a fancy degree? What is it?
On October 18 2012 13:14 ticklishmusic wrote: Wish MMA had gone to SKT tho.
Sounds like Boxer would have never allowed it, even if MMA wanted to.
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
That depends on what's true, if Boxer is only following what his wife says because she is his wife then, yes I would take Mvp's word over Boxer's, and if Mvp is saying MMA is kind, and dedicated what does that say about the Slayers training environment? Maybe it was terrible? a lot of players disliked it seems. Normally I would trust what Boxer said but there were a lot of internal problems with Slayers, as this whole fiasco showed us(if there wasn't internal problems with Slayers this wouldn't have happened)
Why the hell would you take MVP word over Boxer? That is utterly ridiculous. MVP doesn't know how the SlayerS works.
I reckon that Boxer knows MMA better than MVP 10000X more. Boxer was the one who recruited him after all.
What MVP is doing is just sticking up to his fellow Terran buddy.
AXIOM FTW! I love TotalBiscuit as a caster and a personality, so I may be biased in thinking Axiom will do great but I genuinely thin they're going to be very succesful. TB has too much riding on Axiom doing well to fail. Besides someone that cynical has to have a brain right?
I don't follow much of MVP to be honest, but he always seems like a such a happy guy. He's always smiling and laughing...so I would imagine he doesn't run around finding faults in everyone he meets. He probably just appreciates good friends around him, we really will never know if MMA is shady or not until we are friends with him ourselves. Ha.
Good luck to Ryung at Axiom and to MMA wherever he decides to go. I hope they don't lose the motivation to become the very best they can be.
Btw, anyone know if TB, Genna, & Husky are planning to set up a training house for Axiom in Korea, or are they just going to give monetary support to the players? Perhaps it'll happen when and if the team grows larger. It would also then help to have a manager/coach based in Korea if they're looking to recruit heavily from here.
People are getting too hung up on MVP's tweet. Yes, MMA might be the nicest guy around, but that doesn't mean he's not gullible or capable of acting out of character.
how does this solve the problem of esf teams not practicing with slayers? If they are willing to shutout a whole team(and kill it) its possible that they can and will shutout players on foreigner teams if times get even tougher or they lose their competitive edge?
MMA is kind of perfect for EG. His foreign fan base is huge and out of the Koreans he is probably the most recognizable to the casual fan due to the GSL win at Blizzcon and winning the first real MLG that mattered (first one with koreans).
Also MMA fans tend to love the crap out of him. It's even sicker than the adoration MKP gets and definitely more devotion that MVP fans give him.
MMA is a pro gamer and needs to earn as much money as possible. Winnings are going to become much harder to come by with all the Kespa players in Korea. MMA is probably not going to win GSL or OSL unless he gets really lucky, which is the case for most progamers in Korea now. A salary and chance to win foreigner money is an opportunity that can't really be passed up.
Edit: Actually, I'm sorry. I'd love to see MMA making a come-back wherever he decides to go, but I guess I don't really feel EG will be the team to help him with that, given their track record. I don't think there's a curse, but I wonder if the practice regimen will work for him.
sooner or late starcraft 2 is gonna fall because so many money is pumped in and people just go for the best salary. look what happen in broodwar , is not like this.
On October 18 2012 13:33 S2Glow wrote: sooner or late starcraft 2 is gonna fall because so many money is pumped in and people just go for the best salary. look what happen in broodwar , is not like this.
The big sponsors (ie money) being involved in Brood War was a huge factor in its stability and success. I think the problem now is you have more sources of money but a lot are 1 time or short term deals. I think this is something many new fields in businesses go through. Right now, we have a lot of start-ups (some succeeding and some failing). As the scene matures, we will see more consolidation (more established companies).
On October 18 2012 12:31 -niL wrote: I am confused even more, MVP tweeted that he has never seen such a kind and dedicated player like MMA and wishes the misunderstanding to be cleared up
Relationships between people are the most subjective thing around. Jessica might think he's a pest. MVP might think he's like a second son to him.
I imagine that there are two sides to every story.
Thing is I would take Mvp's word over Jessica's, hell most people probably would.
And will you take Mvp's word over Boxer's?
That depends on what's true, if Boxer is only following what his wife says because she is his wife then, yes I would take Mvp's word over Boxer's, and if Mvp is saying MMA is kind, and dedicated what does that say about the Slayers training environment? Maybe it was terrible? a lot of players disliked it seems. Normally I would trust what Boxer said but there were a lot of internal problems with Slayers, as this whole fiasco showed us(if there wasn't internal problems with Slayers this wouldn't have happened)
Why the hell would you take MVP word over Boxer? That is utterly ridiculous. MVP doesn't know how the SlayerS works.
I reckon that Boxer knows MMA better than MVP 10000X more. Boxer was the one who recruited him after all.
What MVP is doing is just sticking up to his fellow Terran buddy.
Jesus calm down, all i got from MVP's post is that he feels that MMA isn't as bad as BoxeR made him out to be.
On October 18 2012 09:52 Northern_iight wrote: if MMA is smart, he'll go to EG. Axiom is cool and all but they're not gonna have any financial sponsors
We have the largest media network and penetration of any team out there. Nobody can touch us in that respect. I think you may be surprised when we start to leverage that advantage.
On October 18 2012 09:52 Northern_iight wrote: if MMA is smart, he'll go to EG. Axiom is cool and all but they're not gonna have any financial sponsors
We have the largest media network and penetration of any team out there. Nobody can touch us in that respect. I think you may be surprised when we start to leverage that advantage.
Do you get that through Shoutcraft/other shows that you run, or is that through sponsorships, or is it something else entirely?
I hope Ryung and MMA both go to Axiom. We will see endless photoshop and pranks, the entertainment value of the 2 would great since foreign teams are much more funny than korean team.
On October 18 2012 14:28 FakeDeath wrote: Time to choose MMA.
Greed or Friends?
Do you get that through Shoutcraft/other shows that you run, or is that through sponsorships, or is it something else entirely?
It's mostly because between myself and Husky we have about 1.5 million subscribers which is a huge audience. We have a substantial edge in this regard, when sponsors hear those kind of numbers, they want to get onboard.
remember, Liquid is always welcome! Need a place to stay? why not stay at the HerO inn! Need to practise? Play at the TaeJa Arena! Need company? Come to the Zenio lounge! Jokes aside, i hope that the slayers players find a home like the other liquid players did, and that theyll play better in their (hopefully) new teams!
On October 18 2012 14:48 Mirrikh wrote: MMA is the best korean pickup by a foreigner team, by a large margin..
Results? Yes.
Current momentum? Nope. Taeja beat Squirtle in Code A stage three and was heading into Code S with lots of momentum. He was already playing incredibly online. Puma, even if he isn't what he used to be and has never made the GSL, was red hot after winning NASL and had lots of hype that he was going to be a Code S champion level talent.
Popularity wise? Yes. MMA is one of the biggest fan favorite Koreans.
Do you get that through Shoutcraft/other shows that you run, or is that through sponsorships, or is it something else entirely?
It's mostly because between myself and Husky we have about 1.5 million subscribers which is a huge audience. We have a substantial edge in this regard, when sponsors hear those kind of numbers, they want to get onboard.
If only sponsors were that stupid it would be a lot easier for teams to acquire them
On October 18 2012 14:28 FakeDeath wrote: Time to choose MMA.
Greed or Friends?
Do you get that through Shoutcraft/other shows that you run, or is that through sponsorships, or is it something else entirely?
It's mostly because between myself and Husky we have about 1.5 million subscribers which is a huge audience. We have a substantial edge in this regard, when sponsors hear those kind of numbers, they want to get onboard.
If only sponsors were that stupid it would be a lot easier for teams to acquire them
Im not sure what you mean. Numbers is what sponsors are looking for unless they're in it for the goodwill
On October 18 2012 14:31 WackaAlpaca wrote: MMA you disgust me.
I used to cheer for you, but now you are dead to me.
Pathetic.
You shouldn´t judge him after listening to just one part of the story.
It´s easy to put someone in a bad position when he/she didn´t have the possility to defend himself/herself yet.
So we should all wait and see what MMA has to say about all this drama before judging any party. That´s the most intelligent and reasonable way of doing things.
On October 18 2012 14:57 Daray wrote: Im not sure what you mean. Numbers is what sponsors are looking for unless they're in it for the goodwill
Ignore him, he's being a dick for no reason.
He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
MMA seems so gullible that it makes me wonder if he'll at least read the contract. I didn't see him play in quite a while now, how is he doing, isn't he a bit washed up ?:D
On October 18 2012 14:33 Angelbelow wrote: The article puts MMA in a pretty negative light. Based on the information given, I'm not sure I'd even want him on EG.
Am I missing something? The article in the OP was extremely sterile. All it said was they are in talks and he made good connections during SlayerS' time working with EG. I mean a lot of oGs players did the same with Liquid during their time together too. A normal reaction living and working together when you have similar interests I guess.
Also, EG already has a huge roster, but every time I say that, they still pick up more players, so whatever.
Well MMA is already cursed so going to EG might result in a reverse curse on him. If he has any loyalty to his former team mates Ryung and Crank he would go to Axiom. Going by the statements made about SlayerS disbanding he has a bad attitude so id guess he is going for the money over loyalty.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
On October 18 2012 14:33 Angelbelow wrote: The article puts MMA in a pretty negative light. Based on the information given, I'm not sure I'd even want him on EG.
Am I missing something? The article in the OP was extremely sterile. All it said was they are in talks and he made good connections during SlayerS' time working with EG. I mean a lot of oGs players did the same with Liquid during their time together too. A normal reaction living and working together when you have similar interests I guess.
Also, EG already has a huge roster, but every time I say that, they still pick up more players, so whatever.
I think he's talking about the "SlayerS to disband" article.
He sounded really unmotivated in that article, and whichever team he goes to, I hope that they are able to get him motivated and back to GSL champion form. I'd like to see a GSL win under a non-korean team, even if the player himself is korean.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
I wouldn't lump him with the rest of us EG fans. Or with anyone. Don't get too carried away.
On October 18 2012 15:15 Leru wrote: MMA seems so gullible that it makes me wonder if he'll at least read the contract. I didn't see him play in quite a while now, how is he doing, isn't he a bit washed up ?:D
I'd rather see MMA joining Axiom to, but he will most likely join EG. EG's terrans are already rather baller, but with EG's money it's not difficult to see where he will go to.
Nice to see both taking oppertunity's elsewhere, hoping Alicia will find a team aswell. Grats to the Bains and Ryung.
I don't know how relations are between MMA and EG. They were practicing in SlayerS house for quite some time after all, so this will be interesting to see.
On October 18 2012 14:33 Angelbelow wrote: The article puts MMA in a pretty negative light. Based on the information given, I'm not sure I'd even want him on EG.
Am I missing something? The article in the OP was extremely sterile. All it said was they are in talks and he made good connections during SlayerS' time working with EG. I mean a lot of oGs players did the same with Liquid during their time together too. A normal reaction living and working together when you have similar interests I guess.
Also, EG already has a huge roster, but every time I say that, they still pick up more players, so whatever.
I think he's talking about the "SlayerS to disband" article.
He sounded really unmotivated in that article, and whichever team he goes to, I hope that they are able to get him motivated and back to GSL champion form. I'd like to see a GSL win under a non-korean team, even if the player himself is korean.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
I wouldn't lump him with the rest of us EG fans. Or with anyone. Don't get too carried away.
lol, i know right? Axiom's off to a great start and I hope that they continue to rise, but a comparison to EG is a little far fetched at this point.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
On October 18 2012 15:15 Leru wrote: MMA seems so gullible that it makes me wonder if he'll at least read the contract. I didn't see him play in quite a while now, how is he doing, isn't he a bit washed up ?:D
Not playing for a week makes him washed up?
I've watched the big tournaments that were on for the last few months and didn't spot him; it was an honest question :D He might have played some online tournament, I don't know ..
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
If you had read more than only the Slayers article, you'd know that holding people accountable based solely on the words of Jessica is a rash move. Sure, they might have acted poorly, perhaps in frustration. But there are two sides to every story, and until more is made clear, I'll support the players above all else.
On October 18 2012 14:33 Angelbelow wrote: The article puts MMA in a pretty negative light. Based on the information given, I'm not sure I'd even want him on EG.
Am I missing something? The article in the OP was extremely sterile. All it said was they are in talks and he made good connections during SlayerS' time working with EG. I mean a lot of oGs players did the same with Liquid during their time together too. A normal reaction living and working together when you have similar interests I guess.
Also, EG already has a huge roster, but every time I say that, they still pick up more players, so whatever.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
Yes, because Jessica's side of the story is always the right side I often wonder if most of tl understands that there's two sides to an argument, or they just blindly follow the first pinion that comes up unquestionably like sheep
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
If you had read more than only the Slayers article, you'd know that holding people accountable based solely on the words of Jessica is a rash move. Sure, they might have acted poorly, perhaps in frustration. But there are two sides to every story, and until more is made clear, I'll support the players above all else.
I've made no judgment as who to believe or support yet (the whole drama is just too long to read right now), but I have to say that the "I'll support the players above all else" thing kinda weird, though understandable. Understandable because the players are who we watch and cheer for, they're the ones playing the game. But in situations like contracts and business and personal relations with managers and teams... do we really think that these kids (most of them are kids) really know what they are doing? Many don't really have the life experience to make educated and mature decisions, and I would not be surprised if many of them are still naive and gullible.
Not saying they are all crazy crazy fools, but players can and will make mistakes. At their ages, they are even more likely to make mistakes with their own lives and decisions.
Also, I'm no Jessica supporter, but everyone just keeps bandwagoning against her, it's pretty silly. She could be wrong, sure, but we don't really know what's happening behind the scenes so why do we all have to be so antagonistic towards her, the players, and each other?
I'm just going to support everyone and hope for good games until more info comes out.
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
If you had read more than only the Slayers article, you'd know that holding people accountable based solely on the words of Jessica is a rash move. Sure, they might have acted poorly, perhaps in frustration. But there are two sides to every story, and until more is made clear, I'll support the players above all else.
I've made no judgment as who to believe or support yet (the whole drama is just too long to read right now), but I have to say that the "I'll support the players above all else" thing kinda weird, though understandable. Understandable because the players are who we watch and cheer for, they're the ones playing the game. But in situations like contracts and business and personal relations with managers and teams... do we really think that these kids (most of them are kids) really know what they are doing? Many don't really have the life experience to make educated and mature decisions, and I would not be surprised if many of them are still naive and gullible.
Not saying they are all crazy crazy fools, but players can and will make mistakes. At their ages, they are even more likely to make mistakes with their own lives and decisions.
Also, I'm no Jessica supporter, but everyone just keeps bandwagoning against her, it's pretty silly. She could be wrong, sure, but we don't really know what's happening behind the scenes so why do we all have to be so antagonistic towards her, the players, and each other?
I'm just going to support everyone and hope for good games until more info comes out.
Ilu, great post . Lots of people are being hypocritical by blindly siding against Jessica without getting her side first (p.s go eg )
On October 18 2012 15:10 Telcontar wrote: He's wearing an EG tag. He obviously wants MMA to go to his favourite team, thus having a reason for slagging off the other team in contention of signing MMA.
If EG fans are scared enough of us to lash out, we are doing something right.
Well, I'll be cheering for MMA wherever he ends up, in addition to Crank and Ryung, and I'm sure many EG fans feel very much the same.
Having read the Slayers article, I'll be doing the opposite. As inspiring as their play can/has been, I can't cheer for players who show that level of (alleged) maturity.
How about actual professionals like kespa players, or champions who keep it real like MVP or Polt?
Yes, because Jessica's side of the story is always the right side I often wonder if most of tl understands that there's two sides to an argument, or they just blindly follow the first pinion that comes up unquestionably like sheep
The people that blindly lap it all up tend to post immediately. The people that wait for the other side of the story or more light to be shed tend to refrain from posting until they know more.
AxRyung Axiom getting stronger. I don't think MMA will choose Axiom over EG...to much money on the line as we all know"money makes the world go round"sadly.
Even if I love the way TB's team is shaping up (if you haven't seen the Climbing the Ladder featuring Genna Bain, go do it) I can't deny that I'd love to see MMA on EG.
On October 18 2012 09:23 Cush wrote: What kind of Dough does EG have? Holy shit.
Well their Monster sponsorship is rumored to be 1 million dollars a year and their title sponsor is raidcall so that usually means that raidcall is paying more than that. So you figure it out lol. Plus their 5000000000 other sponsors lol.
wow, not bad, a million?!?!
Highly doubt they get a million dollars lol probably around 100k - 250k a year, most athletes dont even get 1 million dollars from monster
Well I heard the number 1 million mentioned at least twice on different SC2 talkshows. Either it is that number or it is a very well spread rumor.
Am I the only one thinking that one of the main reasons behind all this drama in Korean scene is that Korean players are finally starting to realize that they can get paid a pretty damn good salary and dont have to put up with, do I dare to say, teams holier-than-thou-be-grateful-that-you're-even-on-the-team attitude? that was one long-ass sentence
Since MMA is teamless now he will not earn as much, even in EG. If both teams (Axiom/EG) desperatly want him though... But he is the son of Boxer..the spoiled son. So he should go to Terran_EG_RC.
With SlayerS...gone, GOody teamless... and Destiny figthing for the sake of RTS-E-Sports...i cant believe everything is alright.
yeah MMA and Crank together at axiom, that would be a re-union... At least I hope, they won't pull that kind of shit off again... I really lost faith in MMA...
Hope MMA goes any other team than EG. Not that I have anything against EG, but EG's the obvious choice. Hope he surprises me and gives another team a boost. Not that EG needs another terran anyway. EG needs good Protosses imho.
I don't think MMA can live up to his full potential if he joins EG and comes to the US. It seems like every EG player that lives in the AZ house are incredibly distracted and skill cap pretty early. If he does join EG, I hope he has the option to stay with his friends in KR to keep him company while he trains distraction-free.
On October 18 2012 09:52 kiy0 wrote: I'm not seeing EG letting this one slipped through their fingers. He's way too good and popular. Plus they need strong players to feel in for the (virtually) washed up Lz, Machine and iNcontroL.
MMA should prefer EG over Axiom any day. Why would you join a newly founded completely insignificant team without strong financial supporters over the wealthiest team with a huge base of renowned and powerful sponsors. Axiom Gaming sounds like a team which is going to disband anyway in the next few months.
it's kind of interesting on how pro gamers (and teams) get away with stuff. what i mean that regardless of how much of an disloyal person one is- as long as they play good or are hyped and backed up by fans, they will always get a new team (immediatly). unless there is a large general discussion. if jessica's statements were true i don't know if i wanted to pick up these three former slayers players. however teams seem to not even care about it... same in other proffesional sports- when ronaldinho (used to be the best football player- maybe of all time untill messi came up) changed his attitute towards being regularly late for practice, and was known to party a lot ac milan picked him up immediatly after he got released by f.c. barcelona. i guess charackter/reputation does not matter too much unless you are involved in drugs, sex affairs or racial comments.
however i wish best of luck to the former slayers players and their new respective teams. hope to see you guys back with an improved mindset. best of luck in the future and congratz.
I think EG is probably the best bet for MMA. They are well establish and could take care of him very well. However, I wouldn't mind seeing him goto Axiom to be with Crank/Ryung. With slayers disbanding maybe Axiom could even pick up more players from the slayers roster.
I find it really strange how EG seems to have so much money they can seemingly buy any amounf of good players. I mean, some team has to be the richest so they buying HuK during his prime and then Thorzain too isnt that strange. But right now its like EG has 5 times the money to throw into their rooster any other team (ok, excluding TL ) has. If EG can buy all these Koreans + Huk + Idra + Stephano + Thorzain + a few other NAers, how come Dignitas, Mouz and other seemingly cant even buy one player of that fame/caliber?
Lol, if EG keeps this up they will be more like a league than a team. Maybe they got wrong how this works.. you get a number of players and then train / support them to win tournaments. Not buy everyone that won. You dont have to "catch them all"..
Much better written article than the last one I read, Slasher, although the "team executive" source language makes me cringe still. (Better than "sources say..."; although "team executive" is still very vague as you don't say which team. The rest of the article puts it a lot better.)
I think Genna might be a little iffy on picking up MMA, and she stated in an appearance just after Axiom was formed exactly what MMA is looking for salary wise. I don't see it happening, especially with Axiom, but that's up to Genna. (Don't do it!! Please!) Ryung, though...
EG.MMA.RC - yeah, I can see that in the GSL coming out as Egg Marc if it's computerized voice. (Don't do it Scoots! Save your dirty money! Adding a curse to a curse doesn't break it!)
Should be interesting to see where SlayerS players go, though. And that B-team roster should look good to anyone - Dark would be my choice over MMA for a future star.
I was hoping for Ryung to go to Axiom. I don't really care about MMA, lost a lot of faith in him, I don't see any reasonable explanation for his actions in Slayers.
Overall I am more interested in finding out where their other players will be going, especially Brown who might be returning to good form with his qualification to Iron Squid II, beating Life in the qual. finals. Also where will Genius go? He kind of has to make it to code S in the up/down GSL to make himself marketable for foreign teams. I'd like to see Fnatic pick up Brown or Genius, to boost their rooster!
On October 18 2012 18:45 Kreb wrote: I find it really strange how EG seems to have so much money they can seemingly buy any amounf of good players. I mean, some team has to be the richest so they buying HuK during his prime and then Thorzain too isnt that strange. But right now its like EG has 5 times the money to throw into their rooster any other team (ok, excluding TL ) has. If EG can buy all these Koreans + Huk + Idra + Stephano + Thorzain + a few other NAers, how come Dignitas, Mouz and other seemingly cant even buy one player of that fame/caliber?
they're not buying players, only paying for salaries, and since the players are not employed, it's much easier to pay a "contractor" 4k / month than for an employee
On October 18 2012 19:03 Rutok wrote: Lol, if EG keeps this up they will be more like a league than a team. Maybe they got wrong how this works.. you get a number of players and then train / support them to win tournaments. Not buy everyone that won. You dont have to "catch them all"..
If you want to compete in Team leagues, you need depth in your "bench", which is something most if not all all foreign teams lack...Are you blaming EG because they're trying to get a competitive team? smh.
When that MMA-Crank incident broke out in september
lots of TLers here defended Crank with "Its Jessica the drama queen's fault, Crank is a great player dont bash him "
Now Jessica comes out with all the truth about crank. (she even recorded the conversation when crank went mad and yelled at boxer and jessica on the phone)
Yelling at jessica and boxer, leaving the team without giving any notice.
When that MMA-Crank incident broke out in september
lots of TLers here defended Crank with "Its Jessica the drama queen's fault, Crank is a great player dont bash him "
Now Jessica comes out with all the truth about crank. (she even recorded the conversation when crank went mad and yelled at boxer and jessica on the phone)
Yelling at jessica and boxer, leaving the team without giving any notice.
Axiom, I would watch my back if i were you guys.
Crank left because he didn't like the stressful environment, that isn't a problem with Axiom, he can train in his own environment, please use some common sense.
On October 18 2012 20:18 Fjodorov wrote: Will there be a reverse curse if MMA joins EG? MMA is already slumping so hard that maybe him joining EG will throw the curse of balance.
Lol. What curse? Just a few days ago Thorzain destroyed GDInvitational.
On October 18 2012 20:18 Fjodorov wrote: Will there be a reverse curse if MMA joins EG? MMA is already slumping so hard that maybe him joining EG will throw the curse of balance.
Lol. What curse? Just a few days ago Thorzain destroyed GDInvitational.
I think a curse is ridiculous, but come on... GDInvitational? It was because G2D was awesome enough to invite some friends over to make some money. I don't think the player pool had any heavy hitters. All the same, Thorzain proved he's still a powerhouse among the foreigners.
When that MMA-Crank incident broke out in september
lots of TLers here defended Crank with "Its Jessica the drama queen's fault, Crank is a great player dont bash him "
Now Jessica comes out with all the truth about crank. (she even recorded the conversation when crank went mad and yelled at boxer and jessica on the phone)
Yelling at jessica and boxer, leaving the team without giving any notice.
Axiom, I would watch my back if i were you guys.
Crank left because he didn't like the stressful environment, that isn't a problem with Axiom, he can train in his own environment, please use some common sense.
Yep he left without notifying jessica.
He said he was just going to rest and then
started streaming 24/7 and even stated that he wanted to join a foreign team.
On October 18 2012 20:18 Fjodorov wrote: Will there be a reverse curse if MMA joins EG? MMA is already slumping so hard that maybe him joining EG will throw the curse of balance.
Lol. What curse? Just a few days ago Thorzain destroyed GDInvitational.
I think a curse is ridiculous, but come on... GDInvitational? It was because G2D was awesome enough to invite some friends over to make some money. I don't think the player pool had any heavy hitters. All the same, Thorzain proved he's still a powerhouse among the foreigners.
I think maybe Ret and at the very least Lucifron (third in WCS EU) count as heavy hitters, though. Nightend isn't bad either, he was the only one to take a series from Taeja at Dreamhack Valencia. Elfi played some really cool games as well.
But this is a bit off-topic, so maybe we shouldn't do this here...
On October 18 2012 22:04 spinnaker wrote: I hope no team picks him up. I can't help it but feel like MMA has become really spoiled.
Careful now. I don't believe we've heard MMA's side of the story yet, and if there is one thing I learned in all the drama over the years, it is that you always wait until both sides are out before making a judgements of a person.
Remember when aLive left TSL, and we all thought Coach Lee was a poor guy who kept on getting screwed over, then when Rekrul made his post, everyone suddenly changed their minds and thought Lee was literally Hitler?
On October 18 2012 22:01 frezMki wrote: MMA just quit gaming as long as you are young enough to do a "normal" job :D
Srsly he will never reach the top again and never earn enough money with progaming to retire without a backup-plan
You sound like you know exactly what you're talking about. There's obviously no way that even with the right motivation and correct practice environment, that MMA could EVER start winning again.
I don't know who has the ditrtiest money here... Axiom is just born and is already able to sign 4 k $ contracts plus many travel fees... Being MMA I would go to EG, it's just safer.
MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
So because TB and Husky have 1.5 combined subscribers, that somehow makes a sponsor want to give them thousands of dollars a month to buy players? I don't even think Axiom has a website, let alone a strategy. I just looked at TB and Husky's youtube pages and they aren't promoting Axiom or Crank in any way shape or form. Maybe cast some of his replays, yo?
If I was MMA, this is an easy choice. To get an offer from EG when your career is in a mega slump sounds like a killer deal.
If he still has to decide between EG and this axiom thing, then it's more than likely that EG WON'T pay him the millions of dollahs people seem to think they will.
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
On October 18 2012 22:58 creamyturtle wrote: I just looked at TB and Husky's youtube pages and they aren't promoting Axiom or Crank in any way shape or form. Maybe cast some of his replays, yo?
You can't have looked very closely; Husky started doing exactly that a couple of weeks ago.
On October 18 2012 14:31 Snijjer wrote: I dont get why everyone says EG has a monopoly?
LG-IM has 4 GSL champions on its roster!
EG just wants to be the best team in the world - good for them.
If IM were EG they would have waited until each of those won a GSL then bought them. MVP, Nestea and Seed were all part of IM long before any of them from the start (maybe Seed later, I don't know, but he hadn't achieved anything outside the IM tag). MC is just on as a partnership.
On October 18 2012 22:58 creamyturtle wrote: I just looked at TB and Husky's youtube pages and they aren't promoting Axiom or Crank in any way shape or form. Maybe cast some of his replays, yo?
You can't have looked very closely; Husky started doing exactly that a couple of weeks ago.
You're right. After second glance there are a few casts of AxCrank on Husky's "browse videos" page. One labeled TvZ against ThorZain for example
Guys there is no bidding war for MMA, so it doesn't matter how much money the teams have. He was on top in the end of last year but fallen of the radar since then. He needs to decide between these teams because nobody is paying him the amount he would've liked.
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
That proves his point, iron squid was five month ago and since then, we haven't seen anything from him. There are not a lot of people who can be fan favourites without winning tournaments and for the most part MMA is now a random korean. I guess he is more marketable and have potential to be on top again, but that's not what sponsors are willing to pay for.
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
That proves his point, iron squid was five month ago and since then, we haven't seen anything from him. There are not a lot of people who can be fan favourites without winning tournaments and for the most part MMA is now a random korean. I guess he is more marketable and have potential to be on top again, but that's not what sponsors are willing to pay for.
Sorry but I have to disagree here. MMA's result were quite related to the tensions in the Slayer's house, that is a sure thing. However, the fact that he is otherwise such an accomplished champion make him still very marketable - his skill level might very well quickly rise again to the top of the top. There is 0 reason why this shouldn't happen.
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
That proves his point, iron squid was five month ago and since then, we haven't seen anything from him. There are not a lot of people who can be fan favourites without winning tournaments and for the most part MMA is now a random korean. I guess he is more marketable and have potential to be on top again, but that's not what sponsors are willing to pay for.
Sponsors are willing to pay for whichever player can bring money to them. Most players on EG arent GSL Code A contenders but theyre marketable which is all that matters
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
That proves his point, iron squid was five month ago and since then, we haven't seen anything from him. There are not a lot of people who can be fan favourites without winning tournaments and for the most part MMA is now a random korean. I guess he is more marketable and have potential to be on top again, but that's not what sponsors are willing to pay for.
Sorry but I have to disagree here. MMA's result were quite related to the tensions in the Slayer's house, that is a sure thing. However, the fact that he is otherwise such an accomplished champion make him still very marketable - his skill level might very well quickly rise again to the top of the top. There is 0 reason why this shouldn't happen.
The tension may have been the reason or not. If the conditions where really that bad you can assume he is searching for a foreign team for a long time now and nobody was willing to pay him the amount he wanted. Now he needs a new team, so why would anyone pay him the amount, nobody was willing to pay him earlier?
On October 18 2012 22:50 Slardar wrote: MMA hasn't done anything amazing for a long time. At least to the point where I haven't heard of him for months. PuMa is probably better than MMA currently or it would be close.
That proves his point, iron squid was five month ago and since then, we haven't seen anything from him. There are not a lot of people who can be fan favourites without winning tournaments and for the most part MMA is now a random korean. I guess he is more marketable and have potential to be on top again, but that's not what sponsors are willing to pay for.
Sponsors are willing to pay for whichever player can bring money to them. Most players on EG arent GSL Code A contenders but theyre marketable which is all that matters
You are right, but there is a reason why they stopped adding koreans to their roster. Maybe I am wrong but Puma and JYP don't seem to be as marketable as the players from the west, at least I haven't seen a lot of them in the last months.
On October 18 2012 14:31 Snijjer wrote: I dont get why everyone says EG has a monopoly?
LG-IM has 4 GSL champions on its roster!
EG just wants to be the best team in the world - good for them.
If IM were EG they would have waited until each of those won a GSL then bought them. MVP, Nestea and Seed were all part of IM long before any of them from the start (maybe Seed later, I don't know, but he hadn't achieved anything outside the IM tag). MC is just on as a partnership.
If IM were EG they wouldn't have any of those players because they'd be based in NA.
On October 18 2012 09:17 Iodem wrote: AxiomMMA. Why the hell wouldn't he be on the same team as his best bro Crank?
Bros...or cash?
We will see.
I think he has friends in EG. There was a connection between EG and Slayers. And if I remember correctly things went well between him an Thorzain.
yes, and it is even said that he has friends and contacts with EG:
It is said that MMA developed a strong connection to the Evil Geniuses over the course of the partnership, with both management and players, and is his optimal choice for where to go next.
i don't get the "bros or cash" part. Axiom is too new to be able to give MMA a decent salary.
On October 18 2012 23:39 OMFGWTF wrote: LiquidMMA would be better, second would be AxMMA
Except like its repeated 100 times every other player pick-up thread Liquid doesn't actually have the pockets like EG to pick up any player they want despite what their fanbois think.
On October 18 2012 23:03 Dandel Ion wrote: If he still has to decide between EG and this axiom thing, then it's more than likely that EG WON'T pay him the millions of dollahs people seem to think they will.
OR MMA's choice is already made but he's trying to push up the bidding, pretending to hesitate to make EG raise the funds.
To be honest MMA is by far the best player of SC2 when he is in great shape.
From october 2011 to march 2012 I think he went undefeated against zerg (that's just crazy when u think about it).
I think it's a great pick for EG no matter how many dollars then spend on it, recruiting such a player is an opportunity which will not occur again.
I could see Axiom getting MMA too, but if EG is involved probably not. I don't see how they could have enough money to even come close to competing with EG.
On October 19 2012 00:06 kyllinghest wrote: EG continuing to pay their way to glory. At least continuing the paying part!
funny that a liquid fan would say that with the pickups you do
Remind me again when Liquid last picked up an accomplished player
Sea? new to SC2, hasn't won anything TaeJa? hadn't won a premier event before he went to Liquid (a bunch of ESV KWs + 1 code A championship) Zenio? still hasn't won anything HerO? was in danger of getting kicked out of oGs when he joined liquid, + hadn't won anything
really hope mma goes to axiom, not because i dont like eg (i like it and they have awesome player) but i want to see axiom get big and awesome because what TB did to crank (that he sent him to mlg usw) was awesome, there we saw how good crank actually is
On October 19 2012 00:06 kyllinghest wrote: EG continuing to pay their way to glory. At least continuing the paying part!
funny that a liquid fan would say that with the pickups you do
Remind me again when Liquid last picked up an accomplished player
Sea? new to SC2, hasn't won anything TaeJa? hadn't won a premier event before he went to Liquid (a bunch of ESV KWs + 1 code A championship) Zenio? still hasn't won anything HerO? was in danger of getting kicked out of oGs when he joined liquid, + hadn't won anything
I couldnt agree more.
This is why I like Liquid and its philosophy when
it comes to acquiring players. Honestly, how many people knew
LiquidHero before he joined liquid? Ive followed the korean scene since
the release but never heard of him until he joined liquid.
I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
On October 19 2012 00:40 Bojas wrote: I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
Team of mercenaries united by payroll? That's basically every team out there. EG is nothing special.
TL is no different. Taeja and Hero would leave Liquid in an instant if Liquid stopped paying them. Remember Liquid Huk? Everyone thought he would be an integral part of the "Liquid family", but he jumped shipped as soon as EG gave him the big dollars. He is not a unique case. Axiom is no different either. Crank and Ryung joined so they can get the money. These progamers want to get some cash, and for good reason.
EG really needs a MMA to prop up their terran lineup, Demuslim's been doing great, but Puma's been showing exactly why he's so bad in the Korean scene.
On October 19 2012 00:06 kyllinghest wrote: EG continuing to pay their way to glory. At least continuing the paying part!
funny that a liquid fan would say that with the pickups you do
Remind me again when Liquid last picked up an accomplished player
Sea? new to SC2, hasn't won anything TaeJa? hadn't won a premier event before he went to Liquid (a bunch of ESV KWs + 1 code A championship) Zenio? still hasn't won anything HerO? was in danger of getting kicked out of oGs when he joined liquid, + hadn't won anything
On October 19 2012 00:40 Bojas wrote: I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
I really want to know how TL is less a mercenary team than EG and is somehow more tight ?
Isn't EG the team with players living in the same houses around the world, some of them having been friends for years and who do shows involving each other all the time?
I would argue that EG is probably the tightest SC2 team outside of Korea.
no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
On October 19 2012 00:40 Bojas wrote: I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
I really want to know how TL is less a mercenary team than EG and is somehow more tight ?
Isn't EG the team with players living in the same houses around the world, some of them having been friends for years and who do shows involving each other all the time?
I would argue that EG is probably the tightest SC2 team outside of Korea.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
Technically it's run by Genna, TB's wife, TB just does the shouting or something. Whether they can compete with EG in terms of pure finances remains to be seen I guess.
I did actually wonder if Axiom would use this as an opportunity to pick up some players. I bet I wasn't the only one either
On October 19 2012 00:40 Bojas wrote: I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
I really want to know how TL is less a mercenary team than EG and is somehow more tight ?
Isn't EG the team with players living in the same houses around the world, some of them having been friends for years and who do shows involving each other all the time?
I would argue that EG is probably the tightest SC2 team outside of Korea.
Huk disagrees.
One outlier doesn't invalidate his point. The players that play regularly in Korea are going to stay on Korea and not in the west.
On October 19 2012 00:40 Bojas wrote: I hope Axiom, EG seems like a team of mercenaries united by their payroll. And Axiom has a chance to become an awesome, tight friendly team sort of like TL.
I really want to know how TL is less a mercenary team than EG and is somehow more tight ?
Isn't EG the team with players living in the same houses around the world, some of them having been friends for years and who do shows involving each other all the time?
I would argue that EG is probably the tightest SC2 team outside of Korea.
Huk disagrees.
One outlier doesn't invalidate his point. The players that play regularly in Korea are going to stay on Korea and not in the west.
God dammit you are stupid.
Guys like Incontrol, Machine, Lzgamer and IdrA have known each other for years. They had a house in Arizona well before SC2 got under way. They churn out a lot of content.
Liquid has had a team since vanilla BW. When they went into SC2 their roster was filled with guys they've known for an incredibly long time with the only exception being TLO. HuK would fit the category as well with vt and all that jazz. He had a lot of movement.
When Zenio and HerO joined they were very familiar and then there's Taeja.
With that said, every team has a different philosophy and criteria when it comes to filling their roster. They aren't the same by any stretch of the imagination.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
EG seems more stable isnt it? Compared to a startup team still building up sponsorships? If EG can afford to send their players to sports psychologists, surely they can hire better coaches right?
My favorite players (MMA and ThorZaIN) and my least favorite players (Stephano and IdrA) on the same team? That would cause me more mixed feelings about EG...
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Yeah, that's twice what Stephano is paid. Comes to like 180k a year which is... excessive considering MMA's lack of consistently solid performance.
Though if he gets back into an A team without that mental pressure on him and can just play and practise, as well as being flown around by EG for various events, he'd be back to his best in no time.
I was thinking, watching IPTL the other day, that EG's closest to a real ace player is Stephano, and they used him first. Imagine if MMA was still there to be deployed against DRG...
Man, with MMA on EG that team would be the most stacked foreign team by far.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Comes to like 180k a year which is...
45 months in a year? Slayers disbanded, not time itself.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Yeah, that's twice what Stephano is paid. Comes to like 180k a year which is... excessive considering MMA's lack of consistently solid performance.
I don't even understand what math leads to the 180k. Do your years have 40 something months?
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Yeah, that's twice what Stephano is paid. Comes to like 180k a year
Lol this made me laugh. 4,000 x 12 = 180,000 :/ That's only 3x higher than the actual number, or 132,000 dollars off.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Yeah, that's twice what Stephano is paid. Comes to like 180k a year
Lol this made me laugh. 4,000 x 12 = 180,000 :/ That's only 3x higher than the actual number, or 132,000 dollars off.
Hooray for mathematics.
Lol, finally, not american bro. We can laugh at others for bad math now.
I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Comes to like 180k a year which is...
45 months in a year? Slayers disbanded, not time itself.
Best response ever hahahaha
On topic: I hope MMA (and Genius and Dark) get picked up by EG ^^
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Yeah, that's twice what Stephano is paid. Comes to like 180k a year which is... excessive considering MMA's lack of consistently solid performance.
Though if he gets back into an A team without that mental pressure on him and can just play and practise, as well as being flown around by EG for various events, he'd be back to his best in no time.
I was thinking, watching IPTL the other day, that EG's closest to a real ace player is Stephano, and they used him first. Imagine if MMA was still there to be deployed against DRG...
Man, with MMA on EG that team would be the most stacked foreign team by far.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
That's irrelevant or possibly true. If MMA is good/marketable there is no reason for them not to recruit MMA.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
First of all we don't really know how MMA acts. Hes not really a publicly spotlighted player. If the rumors from the article are true, then we basically have a player whose revolted against management and accused them of stealing money. Then he calls out Boxer for slave papers and that he doesn't care about being under a contract. This kind of stuff is a headache management to deal with.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
Sincerely hope fnatic adds Dark and Brown, the only real valueable players from SlayerS these days.
a in-slump MMA could join EG and let them pay him Craploads, and make him getting cursed, while fnatic could add two really awesome players for not even half of MMAs earnings combined while rocking teamleagues left and right.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
Are you serious?
Do you even have any objective data backing up the claim that mma has more marketing potential than Stephano? Because if you look at language spoken, interviews, exposure in big tournaments, number of people following their stream or their twitter, money made in the last year, Stephano is very far ahead.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
Are you serious?
Do you even have any objective data backing up the claim that mma has more marketing potential than Stephano? Because if you look at language spoken, interviews, exposure in big tournaments, number of people following their stream or their twitter, money made in the last year, Stephano is very far ahead.
Plus, the recent debacle might detract a lot of fans from MMA too.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
Well stephano is "the great foreign hope" (god i hate that term) and if what Jessica said about him is true (the whole slave note stuff) I doubt people still accept him as "the son of boxer" that gave him a giant marketing and popularity boost to begin with.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Comes to like 180k a year which is...
45 months in a year? Slayers disbanded, not time itself.
The first time i had to laugh while reading this thread! <3
EG isn't dumb like the other teams where the only money they make is through achievements. EG is one of the only teams that actually make a ton of money off of marketing alone. Hence, this where they get there money.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
If people don't think Violet is more valuable then Taeja some people got to open there eyes to the real world. Most sponsors are from the United States, so of course Violet would be more marketable then Taeja.. Violet speaks english he presents himself really well and he is pretty good.
Just because you are better then so and so, doesn't mean they are more valuable in marketing.
On October 19 2012 01:13 amazingoopah wrote: no offense, but isn´t axiom being run by totalbiscuit? Does he seriously have the money to compete with EG for MMA? I can see Ryung signing because he´s really tight with Crank but MMA sounds a bit more interested in money at this point.
No. No it's not. Axiom is run by Genna Bain. Just because she happens to be married to TB, does not mean he is running the team. It's her team. Keep up with the current. TB and Husky are sponsors.
Also, I agree. MMA is about the money. He was looking for what, around $4k a month salary?
4k a month? that's a pretty high demand for somebody who didn't impress for months.
Comes to like 180k a year which is...
45 months in a year? Slayers disbanded, not time itself.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
The point about the Razer person is well taken and it supports the point I made in the Stephano fiasco thread, where players are not just members of teams, they represent their sponsors. They are billboards for their products. EG isn't so much of a team as a group of individuals that project the image of their sponsors very effectively in how they manage their players and their ads. While champions obviously get a lot of coverage the reason EG is so successful is not just because of the quality of many of its players, but because of their visibility within the community.
Players aren't paid to win. They're paid to sell products. Sponsors are not charities for eSports. Winning tournaments makes your products visible, but its not the only way. As cheesy as it is to say, Proximo was right when he explained to Maximus how to win his freedom in Gladiator.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
It's a really interesting debate to be had in "What's a player worth?". Violet and MC are great examples of highly skilled players that have so much value that an entire team is made of just them.
I think I'd agree in Violet being worth more than Taeja. After all, it's not like the team gets a huge cut of winnings, but they do with sponsorship.
So yes, I agree with the sentiment a few quotes ago that MMA doesn't carry the marketing potential of Stephano. By a long shot.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff... MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
and Stephano isn't? Even if the stuff is true about MMA he wouldn't no where near close to what Stephano acts like lol.
MMA also doesn't carry the marketing potential that stephano does.
nearly choked reading that.
are you serious?
With the market the way it is, foreign players will always have more marketing power compared to Koreans who don't speak english. This is common sense no? Why do you think violet (who speaks english and can interact with the community) is valued more than taeja (who is a beast among men)?
Where does it say that Violet is more valued than Taeja? This is absolute nonsense.
I forget which show but Razer's sponsor rep discussed why he thought violet was more valuable than taeja when it came to sponsorships. If someone can help me out and remind us which show this was from (it was recent.)
It was Chanman's recent show. They had the Global Esports Sponsorship Manager of Razer on who said that someone like Violet is worth more than Taeja because he has a outgoing personality, interacts with the fans, speaks English etc. He said that sponsors look at Facebook, twitter and reddit and TL to see how the community feels about various players. So at least Razer are not ignorant about who is popular and who is not. Obviously the most popular players are the most valuable to sponsors, because they are the ones who generate headlines, excitement, buzz etc. Tournament performances in front of big viewers is important of course, but it is not the only factor in assessing value from a sponsorship perspective.
On October 19 2012 04:18 Angelbelow wrote: I still dont think EG signing MMA is a good idea, or should it be rushed without a proper evaluation. Until more information is released, MMA seems quite immature and a big time trouble maker.
MMA is a genius so the word immature seems just out of context, and he is still a korean he won't hurt anyone, very polite and stuff... MMA is one of the most entertaining player to watch and in great shape can win a lot of tourney... so it HAS marketing potential.
Again, based on the article, he hurt both Jessica and more importantly, Boxer. Just because he's Korean doesn't mean he is a saint and just because hes polite in interviews doesn't mean that is who he is as a person. And a genius starcraft 2 player doesn't mean he is a genius in every other aspect of life.
MMA's marketing potential peaked around the end of 2011 when he beat DRG in the finals. Since then, there has been nothing but drama (mostly silent until recently) surrounding him.
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote: I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon
Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.
According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.
On October 19 2012 09:15 TheCreepyTerran wrote: I'm glad that the Slayers-players are finding teams quickly, hopefully they all do soon
Keep in mind that, according to Jessica, MMA has been on the market for a player transfer for a while now.
According to Slasher that was with a transfer fee of 90k $ though, which is a ridiculous amount, so he might as well not have been. It might even hurt his options, because if he gets picked up now, it might seem as the team picking him was just too cheap to do so with the fee, which is something they might want to avoid, despite interest.
That was also when he was the ace for Slayers, coming off a third-place finish at IPL3 and was the reigning GSL champion. He was also offered to Liquid for free, apparently, and they decided to pick up Sea instead.
I super hope MMA goes to EG... I can't wait to see him get into top form again.. Furthermore, they might get him to spill some of the details as to why Slayers demoted him so rapidly while easily being a top player on their team.
I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
Its a shame I can remember the behind the booth Documentary buy Gom and BoxeR and MMA were so close and BoxeR wanted to make him into the BoxeR of sc2. And now look at them.... i dont know everything but I follow BoxeR over everything but I like MMAs play so I hope to whatever team he goes to get back into form. Also hope Ryung can get back on track and just generally all the SlayerS player (apart for Alicia dont know what to make of that at the moment) all find a team fast.
I also think that if EG is actually in talks with MMA, he's been able to at least adequately explain himself for the article (or statement, or what have you) Jessica released. EG doesn't seem like the type of team that's going to let players just shit all over their contracts and stuff.
Because money. He wants it. He wants it badly enough to believe that the owner of his team is stealing from him. And ego. He doesn't just want money, he knows he fucking deserves it.
On October 19 2012 11:47 Bigtony wrote: MMA is good friends with Thorzain. He is probably also familiar with HuK and Puma. EG has money and a strong foundation.
A better question...why WOULDN'T he want to go there?
plus slayers and eg had a partnership for a long time so im sure he knows Idra well considering they lived together for a while. Also JYP.
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
What an ignorant statement. Blindly follow Jessica's opinion like it's the only opinion. Sheep.
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
What an ignorant statement. Blindly follow Jessica's opinion like it's the only opinion. Sheep.
What reason would Jessica have to lie about this? Why would Jessica invent a story that involves staining BoxeR's name and reputation if it didn't actually happen? I've interacted personally with Jessica and I already know she's a bit bonkers and a drama queen to boot. I dislike her character. However, I can't help but admit that she's very sincere when it comes to matters with her team, and despite being naive - her heart is in the right place. She is pouring her heart out in these accounts.
How is her account an opinion? This is an all-or-nothing tale of a terrible incident between MMA and BoxeR. I doubt Jessica in her position would fabricate a story like this, being BoxeR's significant other. Is my assessment of MMA still ignorant? Respond if you can fanboy.
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
Did Jessica say he cursed at Boxer? or shouted/talked back to?
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
What an ignorant statement. Blindly follow Jessica's opinion like it's the only opinion. Sheep.
What reason would Jessica have to lie about this? Why would Jessica invent a story that involves staining BoxeR's name and reputation if it didn't actually happen? I've interacted personally with Jessica and I already know she's a bit bonkers and a drama queen to boot. I dislike her character. However, I can't help but admit that she's very sincere when it comes to matters with her team, and despite being naive - her heart is in the right place. She is pouring her heart out in these accounts.
How is her account an opinion? This is an all-or-nothing tale of a terrible incident between MMA and BoxeR. I doubt Jessica in her position would fabricate a story like this, being BoxeR's significant other. Is my assessment of MMA still ignorant? Respond if you can fanboy.
I was an MMA fan and I agree with you, but I wouldnt be convinced of anything yet. MMA hasn't responded to anything and until we hear from him (or until its obvious he chooses not to respond) we shouldnt form strong opinions
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
hahahaha, I love that Jessica's embellished story of Crank yelling at Boxer on the phone has turned into MMA cursing out Boxer on the phone.
On October 19 2012 11:47 Bigtony wrote: MMA is good friends with Thorzain. He is probably also familiar with HuK and Puma. EG has money and a strong foundation.
A better question...why WOULDN'T he want to go there?
EG tries to get players that can market their sponsor's products the best. That's why theres so little Koreans on EG.
I have no doubt he would want to go there since he is a greedy, but he's pretty immature. It just really depends if EG wants to tip the scale of skill or marketing potential.
I doubt we will ever know the truth about this entire mess, but believing Jessica 100% is being naive. Sorry but when you have what, 10 players leave your team, something seems wrong. Whether they left on "good terms" or not, there is obviously something that makes them want to leave. Ganzi, Taeja, Crank, Sleep, Golden just straight up left. SlayerS went from the premier sc2 team to an afterthought. Hell Puzzle, Coca and Min left SlayerS to go and play LoL. Something was not right there. And I highly doubt Jessica was such the victim she has made herself out to be.
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
On October 19 2012 10:53 Flamingo777 wrote: I super hope MMA goes to EG... I can't wait to see him get into top form again.. Furthermore, they might get him to spill some of the details as to why Slayers demoted him so rapidly while easily being a top player on their team.
On October 19 2012 10:55 jntkflow wrote: I feel bad for any team that picks up MMA in an attempt to cash in on him. The kid cursed out BoxeR over the phone after all he's done for him, and called his contract a 'slave' contract when SlayerS wasn't even taking a cut of winnings. Ungrateful little prick may have some talent but his head's not in the right place.
What an ignorant statement. Blindly follow Jessica's opinion like it's the only opinion. Sheep.
What reason would Jessica have to lie about this? Why would Jessica invent a story that involves staining BoxeR's name and reputation if it didn't actually happen? I've interacted personally with Jessica and I already know she's a bit bonkers and a drama queen to boot. I dislike her character. However, I can't help but admit that she's very sincere when it comes to matters with her team, and despite being naive - her heart is in the right place. She is pouring her heart out in these accounts.
How is her account an opinion? This is an all-or-nothing tale of a terrible incident between MMA and BoxeR. I doubt Jessica in her position would fabricate a story like this, being BoxeR's significant other. Is my assessment of MMA still ignorant? Respond if you can fanboy.
Because it's her and only her side of the story. It's the fact that she's a drama queen that makes people wonder. For example, there have been many times where Jessica has flipped out over very small things over Twitter. I won't believe her side of the story about being the innocent victim until I hear more accounts. For those who immediately followed her opinion without anybody else backing anything up, and without official released statements from the players/managers/BoxeR, I call them out for following one side of the story before even hearing the other side. Jessica's opinion might turn out to be the truth, but that doesn't mean you should blindly follow her side of the story. There's always two sides to every story or argument kids.
EDIT: And by the way....that was Crank. Not MMA. Sorry.
On October 19 2012 14:41 jmbthirteen wrote: I doubt we will ever know the truth about this entire mess, but believing Jessica 100% is being naive. Sorry but when you have what, 10 players leave your team, something seems wrong. Whether they left on "good terms" or not, there is obviously something that makes them want to leave. Ganzi, Taeja, Crank, Sleep, Golden just straight up left. SlayerS went from the premier sc2 team to an afterthought. Hell Puzzle, Coca and Min left SlayerS to go and play LoL. Something was not right there. And I highly doubt Jessica was such the victim she has made herself out to be.
Yet the downfall of Slayers isn't mysterious either. We know that Slayers got blacklisted by ESF and that things went downhill after hiring this J guy.
All those players left for foreigner teams, which doesn't exactly scream a breakdown in slayers management.
I agree about Jessica though, shes not 100% the victim here and is definitely responsible (as team manager) for the downfall of Slayers.
I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
EG is keeping incontrol cuz he has other uses like casting, commercials and hosting events
which provides a lot of exposure for them.
But i agree with you on him not winning any tournmanets in the future.
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
Random EG bashing nice, also Idra forfeited part way into the MLG Kespa tourney.
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
Random EG bashing nice, also Idra forfeited part way into the MLG Kespa tourney.
And forfeiting is just soo much better I guess... Really I know I am being harsh, but I just want my North American Superstars back... huk, idra, even puma, yall use to compete at the highest level and now...... I don't know it seems like EG just buys another player after their other players start under-performing (hmmm stephano)... Anyhow EG fighting
From a business stand point, why would Axiom go after MMA when they could probably pick up multiple former Slayers for the same price? Arthur, Dark, Brown, and Miya have definitely proven that they're on the level. Axiom would be an instant top team if they could pull that off.
On October 19 2012 14:41 jmbthirteen wrote: I doubt we will ever know the truth about this entire mess, but believing Jessica 100% is being naive. Sorry but when you have what, 10 players leave your team, something seems wrong. Whether they left on "good terms" or not, there is obviously something that makes them want to leave. Ganzi, Taeja, Crank, Sleep, Golden just straight up left. SlayerS went from the premier sc2 team to an afterthought. Hell Puzzle, Coca and Min left SlayerS to go and play LoL. Something was not right there. And I highly doubt Jessica was such the victim she has made herself out to be.
Don't think you can read too much into those departures though, leaving the game entirely doesn't make it seem like it was a SlayerS problem... Sleep and Golden left during a time when things were much different, SlayerS Terrans pretty much saturated the lineup to the point where other players had 0 chance of playing. (MMA, Ryung, Ganzi, TaeJa, who wouldn't you play in a bo7 lol)
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
Random EG bashing nice, also Idra forfeited part way into the MLG Kespa tourney.
And forfeiting is just soo much better I guess... Really I know I am being harsh, but I just want my North American Superstars back... huk, idra, even puma, yall use to compete at the highest level and now...... I don't know it seems like EG just buys another player after their other players start under-performing (hmmm stephano)... Anyhow EG fighting
im sorry, but you are not "harsh" or "mean". You are either stupid, clueless or a hater.
clueless: you have no idea about EG, what they do for their players and community and no idea why Incontrol is important.
stupid: you really think that Incontrol is not important to EG. He IS EG. He is the face of EG and most of the time their spokesperson. Many fans follow EG just because of Incontrol. He is always out there. He gives character to EG and is more or less the team captain. And about Idra, i think you need to listen to ITG (1-2 weeks ago) where he said why he hated the mlg tournament and only agreed/stayed that long because he respects the Kespa guys. And yes, there is a difference between forfeiting a game and losing it. The first one doesn't say anything about the skill of the player.
Hater: You all know that stuff i wrote here but still have the need to bash EG and their players. Because this is a thread about MMA and Ryung which doesn't have something to do with how good Idra and Incontrol are, i assume you are just a hater.
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
edited to clear things out
EG's biggest asset can be determined by looking at who get's the biggest salary. It is Stephano.
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
edited to clear things out
EG's biggest asset can be determined by looking at who get's the biggest salary. It is Stephano.
Where did you find how much money all the players make? I'd be interested in looking at that. Did I miss something?
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
edited to clear things out
EG's biggest asset can be determined by looking at who get's the biggest salary. It is Stephano.
Where did you find how much money all the players make? I'd be interested in looking at that. Did I miss something?
EG's salaries are confidential obviously, but considering Stephano is the most popular streamer, and the most consistent and successful Foreigner in 2012 it must be him. Who else has such a strong bargaining position during negotiations? EG recently won a bidding war for Stephano. Who else do you think is the highest paid player on EG's books?
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
edited to clear things out
EG's biggest asset can be determined by looking at who get's the biggest salary. It is Stephano.
Where did you find how much money all the players make? I'd be interested in looking at that. Did I miss something?
EG's salaries are confidential obviously, but considering Stephano is the most popular streamer, and the most consistent and successful Foreigner in 2012 it must be him. Who else has such a strong bargaining position during negotiations? EG recently won a bidding war for Stephano. Who else do you think is the highest paid player on EG's books?
Well, you can't just think in terms of results when you're talking about EG. I would think their highest paid players are iNcontroL, IdrA, and then maybe Stephano. It's all about ROI and sponsor marketability. Stephano just got suspended without pay for the rest of the month because of something he did which could have caused a HUGE backlash with EG's sponsors, if they didn't have such a good reputation with them (which is one of the reasons they punished Stephano so harshly). I agree with the person you quoted who said iNcontroL is their biggest asset. He does all sorts of out of game stuff for EG that increases their brand, even though winning tournaments isn't one of those things. If all Stephano does is win tournaments but acts like an ass everywhere else, he certainly won't be their biggest asset, and perhaps even a liability.
That being said, I sincerely hope that MMA decides on EG and soon. But best of luck to Both teams and MMA either way!
On October 19 2012 15:34 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: I would only join EG if they kicked off incontrol, maybe even idra.... mean, yea, but lets be realistic incontrol is never gonna even get close to winning a tournament, and seriously idra 3-39 vs. kespa players... you've been practicing maybe 2 and a half years straight, how are you so bad... I can guarantee there is no genetic difference between the you and the koreans.... its all the environment...that environment is EG....
And MMA you used to be one of my favs... GL where ever you go!
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Idra idk, but Incontrol is probably their biggest asset atm with all the stuff he does outside the game
edited to clear things out
EG's biggest asset can be determined by looking at who get's the biggest salary. It is Stephano.
Where did you find how much money all the players make? I'd be interested in looking at that. Did I miss something?
EG's salaries are confidential obviously, but considering Stephano is the most popular streamer, and the most consistent and successful Foreigner in 2012 it must be him. Who else has such a strong bargaining position during negotiations? EG recently won a bidding war for Stephano. Who else do you think is the highest paid player on EG's books?
And how do you think EG got the money to give Stephano that massive paycheck?
Despite what the TL community believes, EG does not simply have money, they earn it by doing a lot of work to please their sponsors and sign new ones. And Incontrol is the player that, by an extreme margin, does the most to promote his team and his sponsors.
Does Incontrol get paid the most? Probably not. But I can almost guarantee that his salary:RoI ratio is the highest on EG, short of possibly Idra.
On October 20 2012 09:04 Mutalisk wrote: That only thought hurts my mind. TL should stay as far away as possible from Alicia.
Whats wrong with him? Does he have "off the field" issues or something like that?
According to Jessica's statements during the breakup of SlayerS, Alicia has some massive fucking ego problems, to the point of refusing to play in team leagues - or even help his teammates practice for them! - because he had to take a bus once instead of being picked up.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
But that means MMA doesnt fit if anything Alicia would fit that category since apparently he was a reason why slayers disbanded. Or is EG only into "drama" bad boys and not real ones
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
Being a one trick pony does not make you a bad boy. Or am I missing something about what seems to be a very well mannered and calm Korean?
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
Being a one trick pony does not make you a bad boy. Or am I missing something about what seems to be a very well mannered and calm Korean?
He might be well-mannered and calm, but I'm sure not when he 1-1-1's out my favorite players.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
Being a one trick pony does not make you a bad boy. Or am I missing something about what seems to be a very well mannered and calm Korean?
He might be well-mannered and calm, but I'm sure not when he 1-1-1's out my favorite players.
Those days have passed, though.
I feel the exact opposite every time I see the President play a Terran on Cloud Kingdom. And I Love MC.
I would much rather play against 111 as Protoss than blink or 4gwp as Terran...
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
If anyone, Machine should have to fear the most of getting dropped if EG signs yet another big name. IdrA is on their team like forever and is a huge name for them in the foreign scene (yes, he has fans ^^) and kind of the same goes for incontrol, who is propably not as good a player as IdrA but has a huge positive effect on their reckognizability (HAHA that word is so fucked up and I have no idea what the correction would be...)
Also, Machine, IdrA, Incontrol and now suppy are kind of the core of EG in the sense that they are the reason EG is still the best team in NA and not an organization that just invests into Koreans.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
If anyone, Machine should have to fear the most of getting dropped if EG signs yet another big name. IdrA is on their team like forever and is a huge name for them in the foreign scene (yes, he has fans ^^) and kind of the same goes for incontrol, who is propably not as good a player as IdrA but has a huge positive effect on their reckognizability (HAHA that word is so fucked up and I have no idea what the correction would be...)
Also, Machine, IdrA, Incontrol and now suppy are kind of the core of EG in the sense that they are the reason EG is still the best team in NA and not an organization that just invests into Koreans.
Machine is also the commercials guy. The best commercials with the EG players are the Beyond Gaming 'Neglected Computers' spot and the 'Kingston Halloween' spot. Plus, there's the whole 'Machine v Food' feature on Youtube.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
If anyone, Machine should have to fear the most of getting dropped if EG signs yet another big name. IdrA is on their team like forever and is a huge name for them in the foreign scene (yes, he has fans ^^) and kind of the same goes for incontrol, who is propably not as good a player as IdrA but has a huge positive effect on their reckognizability (HAHA that word is so fucked up and I have no idea what the correction would be...)
Also, Machine, IdrA, Incontrol and now suppy are kind of the core of EG in the sense that they are the reason EG is still the best team in NA and not an organization that just invests into Koreans.
I don't see it likely for EG to drop anyone right now. Machine has a decent sized fan base(nothing huge, but decent), does a lot of promotional stuff, is involved with commercials, and actually participates in a lot of smaller shows. He really doesn't go to many tournaments outside of west coast ones and MLG, and it isn't like the EG house is packed to the brim and he's taking up space for someone else. LZ skill level has actually increased quite a bit recently, and I doubt he's getting that much of a salary anyways.
As long as EG continues to invest in InControl and Idra, the rest of the NA squad probably doesn't have anything to fear.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
If anyone, Machine should have to fear the most of getting dropped if EG signs yet another big name. IdrA is on their team like forever and is a huge name for them in the foreign scene (yes, he has fans ^^) and kind of the same goes for incontrol, who is propably not as good a player as IdrA but has a huge positive effect on their reckognizability (HAHA that word is so fucked up and I have no idea what the correction would be...)
Also, Machine, IdrA, Incontrol and now suppy are kind of the core of EG in the sense that they are the reason EG is still the best team in NA and not an organization that just invests into Koreans.
Machine is also the commercials guy. The best commercials with the EG players are the Beyond Gaming 'Neglected Computers' spot and the 'Kingston Halloween' spot. Plus, there's the whole 'Machine v Food' feature on Youtube.
Machine was on EG waaaaaaaay before idra... and if anyone is getting axed, it's should be LZ. I haven't heard, or seen anything from him in ages.
On October 20 2012 12:24 babochee wrote: MMA is WAYYYYY too good looking to go Axiom..... Pretty boys for EG! gogo EG.MMA!
EG is in need of a Korean bad boy anyway. They already have their American bad boy (IdrA) and European bad boy (Stephano), so now they need to expand to Korea.
Have you heard of Puma?
PuMa went from the infamous and oft-hated master of 1/1/1 to just another cookie cutter mediocre nice guy korean Terran. I was a fan of him during his prime, mostly for his drop play bio TvP, but now he's just one of many.
Also to the guy above no, EG will never drop iNcontroL and IdrA as long as they have these big fanbases and huge marketability. I don't know how some people still can't manage to grasp this concept.
If anyone, Machine should have to fear the most of getting dropped if EG signs yet another big name. IdrA is on their team like forever and is a huge name for them in the foreign scene (yes, he has fans ^^) and kind of the same goes for incontrol, who is propably not as good a player as IdrA but has a huge positive effect on their reckognizability (HAHA that word is so fucked up and I have no idea what the correction would be...)
Also, Machine, IdrA, Incontrol and now suppy are kind of the core of EG in the sense that they are the reason EG is still the best team in NA and not an organization that just invests into Koreans.
Machine is also the commercials guy. The best commercials with the EG players are the Beyond Gaming 'Neglected Computers' spot and the 'Kingston Halloween' spot. Plus, there's the whole 'Machine v Food' feature on Youtube.
Machine was on EG waaaaaaaay before idra... and if anyone is getting axed, it's should be LZ. I haven't heard, or seen anything from him in ages.
He recently knocked out idra from some mlg thing so I think by sc2 law, lz should stay : D (seriously though)
On November 03 2012 16:01 partydude89 wrote: i hate to bump an older tread, but with SlayerS disbanding today, has it been announced which team MMA picked?
No, I'm sure you'll notice once it's announced, it'll be a bit of a bigger deal.
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