EPTTen months after the fact, and after the team had disbanded. >_>
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
Ten months after the fact, and after the team had disbanded. >_> | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:52 rauk wrote: actually kespa teams practice cross team all the time for individual leagues I've never known that. Thanks for correcting me. Still, I doubt that KesPA's teams would allow their players to practice with eSF's team, unless it is during the ladder session and vice versa. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:53 Veldril wrote: I've never known that. Thanks for correcting me. Still, I doubt that KesPA's teams would allow their players to practice with eSF's team, unless it is during the ladder session and vice versa. As I recall Jaedong has admitted in interviews already to practicing with MC & DRG for some of his games. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:53 MCXD wrote: Ten months after the fact, and after the team had disbanded. >_> She obv tried to do it without the help of esf. Also if she went public the korean teams would have continued this practice unofficially | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:52 storywriter wrote: i don't buy that and you shouldn't either It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. Politically SC2Con has no justification for their embargo whatsoever. | ||
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sihyunie
United States108 Posts
The amazing thing is from the beginning of Ganzi and NASL situation, people blamed Jessica for the whole thing. I cannot say who started it, but the blame went on to Jessica and she became the scapegoat for everything. eSF won't practice because of Jessica. Performance dropped because of Jessica. I can't make money because of my poor performance, which is due to lack of practice, which is caused by Jessica. Everything came back to Jessica. Sure she is very hot-headed and speaks her mind, but it was always for her players. She has always protected Slayers and its players and didn't stand anything that would harm her players. I believe this J person should be found and whole things should be investigated and if found true (and so far Jessica has been right), he should be prosecuted for felony. However, we should not forget that the deeper root is segregating environment that was created when eSF decided that it needs a bigger pie and Slayers was getting in the way by not playing by their rules. But then again, I could be completely wrong, but sequence of events seem to suggest this. Whatever dispute Jessica and Slayers players had probably could've been solved under normal circumstances. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:58 ACrow wrote: I don't get the fuzz about the embargo. It is not like Kespa pros from different teams praciice freely with each other - you want to have competent practice partners, that's what you team is for. It sounds like SlayerS didn't want to be a part of the eSF party, so they don't enjoy the benefits, what's the deal? You don't play nice with me, I don't play nice with you, easy as that. This is wrong. The KeSPA teams do practice with each other (and the ESF teams do practice a little with the KeSPA teams, too even). | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:58 ACrow wrote: I don't get the fuzz about the embargo. It is not like Kespa pros from different teams praciice freely with each other - you want to have competent practice partners, that's what you team is for. It sounds like SlayerS didn't want to be a part of the eSF party, so they don't enjoy the benefits, what's the deal? You don't play nice with me, I don't play nice with you, easy as that. It's not as if they are entitled to have other team's pros available as practice partners. More like: You don't want to be my slave? Then you gonna be my bitch... | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:58 ACrow wrote: I don't get the fuzz about the embargo. It is not like Kespa pros from different teams praciice freely with each other - you want to have competent practice partners, that's what you team is for. It sounds like SlayerS didn't want to be a part of the eSF party, so they don't enjoy the benefits, what's the deal? You don't play nice with me, I don't play nice with you, easy as that. It's not as if they are entitled to have other team's pros available as practice partners. It was already clarified... They practice each other | ||
storywriter
Australia528 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:56 zestzorb wrote: It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. Politically SC2Con has no justification for their embargo whatsoever. Precisely. This is really putting me off SC2... what a fiasco | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:58 ACrow wrote: It is not like Kespa pros from different teams praciice freely with each other - you want to have competent practice partners, that's what you team is for. Yeah, except they do all the time. | ||
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Frost
Korea (South)1042 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:57 sihyunie wrote: Considering NASL occurred in 2011 and this J incident was early 2012, I think the blacklist comes before this J person. Regardless of reason and how it happened, Slayers was left on its own. It had no good practice partners and all it had was each other and some b.net amateurs on ladder. Players are obviously not very happy about it because at the time they were doing very well and this issue would directly affect their performance. And as many Slayers players play outside the country, they realized how hard it is to perform without support of other teams and started to question whether they should leave the team. Then came J. He sweet talked the players into leaving the team and gave them a "legitimate" reason that Jessica was embezzling money. Convincing them was probably not very difficult and from there the players became very disgruntled with the whole situation. The rest is history. The amazing thing is from the beginning of Ganzi and NASL situation, people blamed Jessica for the whole thing. I cannot say who started it, but the blame went on to Jessica and she became the scapegoat for everything. eSF won't practice because of Jessica. Performance dropped because of Jessica. I can't make money because of my poor performance, which is due to lack of practice, which is caused by Jessica. Everything came back to Jessica. Sure she is very hot-headed and speaks her mind, but it was always for her players. She has always protected Slayers and its players and didn't stand anything that would harm her players. I believe this J person should be found and whole things should be investigated and if found true (and so far Jessica has been right), he should be prosecuted for felony. However, we should not forget that the deeper root is segregating environment that was created when eSF decided that it needs a bigger pie and Slayers was getting in the way by not playing by their rules. But then again, I could be completely wrong, but sequence of events seem to suggest this. Whatever dispute Jessica and Slayers players had probably could've been solved under normal circumstances. Jessica already clarified that the embargo lasted almost 10 months. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:57 sihyunie wrote: Considering NASL occurred in 2011 and this J incident was early 2012, I think the blacklist comes before this J person. Regardless of reason and how it happened, Slayers was left on its own. It had no good practice partners and all it had was each other and some b.net amateurs on ladder. Players are obviously not very happy about it because at the time they were doing very well and this issue would directly affect their performance. And as many Slayers players play outside the country, they realized how hard it is to perform without support of other teams and started to question whether they should leave the team. Then came J. He sweet talked the players into leaving the team and gave them a "legitimate" reason that Jessica was embezzling money. Convincing them was probably not very difficult and from there the players became very disgruntled with the whole situation. The rest is history. The amazing thing is from the beginning of Ganzi and NASL situation, people blamed Jessica for the whole thing. I cannot say who started it, but the blame went on to Jessica and she became the scapegoat for everything. eSF won't practice because of Jessica. Performance dropped because of Jessica. I can't make money because of my poor performance, which is due to lack of practice, which is caused by Jessica. Everything came back to Jessica. Sure she is very hot-headed and speaks her mind, but it was always for her players. She has always protected Slayers and its players and didn't stand anything that would harm her players. I believe this J person should be found and whole things should be investigated and if found true (and so far Jessica has been right), he should be prosecuted for felony. However, we should not forget that the deeper root is segregating environment that was created when eSF decided that it needs a bigger pie and Slayers was getting in the way by not playing by their rules. But then again, I could be completely wrong, but sequence of events seem to suggest this. Whatever dispute Jessica and Slayers players had probably could've been solved under normal circumstances. Couldnt formulate it better | ||
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Scrabo
Northern Ireland11 Posts
The instances of mistrust and hurt feelings seemed to have spiraled into serious damage. Maybe they could have been avoided if they confronted their issues more, maybe not. I hope similar things won't happen in the future because x didn't inform y or y misunderstood x. I'm sure things have improved a great deal since 2010/early 2011. | ||
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carebear91
Singapore236 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:58 ACrow wrote: I don't get the fuzz about the embargo. It is not like Kespa pros from different teams praciice freely with each other - you want to have competent practice partners, that's what you team is for. It sounds like SlayerS didn't want to be a part of the eSF party, so they don't enjoy the benefits, what's the deal? You don't play nice with me, I don't play nice with you, easy as that. Also.... Slayers just came 2nd in the last GSTL.... so its not like it hurt them. Yoko Ono took over the team from John Lennon, and the rest of the band decided they wanted out. She held them in with their contracts... then John Lennon left..... now Yoko see's the writing on the wall and that everyone is going to bail on her... and rather than let that happen she decides to try and make herself look blameless on the way out by making some silly excuses. Its clear than no one wanted to play for Jessica, they were all going to leave the first chance they got. My guess is she didn't want to have to deal with that trickle of shame, she'd rather break up with them first. | ||
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tofubeans
United States794 Posts
http://esfiworld.com/news/alicia-slayers-disbanding-looking-foreign-team Following reports this morning of SlayerS disbanding, Joon Sik “Alicia” Yang, who has unofficially left the team, spoke with ESFI about recent developments and his upcoming plans. The interview was conducted in Korean and is presented below in translated form. ESFI: Where will you go now that SlayerS is disbanded? I wish to live outside of Korea while playing for a foreign team. I am actively looking for foreign teams, and currently talking to few teams at the moment. I cannot say any more details about it. ESFI: What are your thoughts on SlayerS disbanding? I was with SlayerS since the beginning, so I feel very sorry for those still left with the team and I will very much miss this team. I actually wanted to leave the team a few months ago and unofficially left the team for a few months now. ESFI: What about the article about the disbandment? Can you talk about your side of the story? The article from SC2inven seems to be distorted too much. For example, even for stories about me, it would be childish to think that my sole reason for leaving the team was due to my complaint on not getting a ride at the airport. There are too many reasons for my departure from the team, but mainly it’s because of Jessica’s inappropriate interactions with fans and teams, and her excessive focus on GSTL while discriminating against non-GSTL players like me. My complaint on getting a ride was only a part of the problem. Any players participating in non-GSTL matches had to take buses and taxis for hours by ourselves and were paid by us. It gave us an impression that she did not have a reason to come if it’s unrelated to the team league. When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’. Players also had asked Jessica numerous times to stop fighting people over Twitter. I disliked her fights with fans and teams most and I told BoxeR about my difficulties dealing with Jessica’s actions when I was having a drink with him after Slayers lost to FXO in the last GSTL. I told him about my intention to leave the team that day and left the team afterward. ESFI: Jessica said in the article that you had declined to participate in GSTL. That was because I really hated what will happen if I lose the match in GSTL. Jessica makes players very uncomfortable after losing their match as she complains about not preparing enough or not practicing enough. As I have said before, she seemed to care more about GSTL than any other leagues, so I was having too much stress about it and did not want more of it. ESFI: Can you tell us anything about the other members? It’s true that Puzzle, Coca, and Min will switch to League of Legends. They have been playing League of Legends together for a while and probably left the team house a couple of months ago. The news about them getting sick might have been a lie made up by the team since there was no other way [to announce their absence]. I don’t know much about Genius, Miya, and Brown, and it seems like MMA and Crank are receiving a lot of hate because of this article. I can’t say anything specific for other players as I don’t want to cause any troubles for them. ESFI: It seemed like coach Hong takes care of players on non-GSTL side. I know! I feel very sorry for him because he was basically working for the team with no salary. He only received travel stipends and occasional allowances, and only thing he ever received was a trophy for the best manager when we won GSTL. ESFI: Do you know anything personally about J manager incident as mentioned in the article? It’s true that things went the wrong way because of him, and things told in the article were what we have heard from the coaches. I don’t know any specifics. It’s also true that the team went downhill after this incident because BoxeR wasn’t at the team house anymore, and Jessica wasn’t paying a lot of attention to us, so we were left with ourselves for a long time. It’s understandable that we started losing faith in her as she continues to do bitter fights against various parties at that time. ESFI: What about ESF teams and players denying practicing with SlayerS? I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for me to say anything about it. ESFI: Do you have any last words for foreign fans? To all my fans, I’m really sorry about how the article and the news came down in a bad manner. I will continue to participate in foreign tournaments. From now on, I want to go [overseas] with good news. Thank you for all of your support! | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 18 2012 05:55 Tachion wrote: As I recall Jaedong has admitted in interviews already to practicing with MC & DRG for some of his games. Well it was actually MC saying he was practicing with DRG, JD. Either way ye. And that was like month or 2 ago. | ||
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