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Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
October 17 2012 21:14 GMT
#1681
This is so sad. SlayerS was my favorite korean team, i'm going to miss them. Good luck to the players from here, even the ones going to LoL.

Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
muLe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany30 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 21:15:56
October 17 2012 21:14 GMT
#1682
After all of the 1st Translation, I think that ESF is an Organization that primary target is to maximize their non-members disadvantage in order to have an advantage for the own members.

Not an Organization that has the wealth of Esports globally in mind.

Sure someone can argue that one group acting egoistic can be beneficial for the whole community.
I do not like these kind of methods.

Waiting for what the other side has to say, ... but I don't think that the ESF Team Coaches are all innocent in this drama.
EU-Server ID: HotPotToFU
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#1683
On October 18 2012 06:11 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:10 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:09 Noocta wrote:
The fact that Jessica was putting players in two categories ' GSTL one and non GSTL one" is already fucking wrong.
It seems that woman had no idea how to manage a team at all.

Thats what alicia is saying and his explanation why he didnt wanted to participate in gstl is very childish


I don't think so.
I would not want to participate if I was blamed for every loss.

That's not how you motivate a player to do better.

Thats what he is saying. In reality slayers was a 2 time champ and 2 time runner up

If you cant motivate the team that results would not have happened.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
October 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#1684
Lying about Coca's and the others' health (I personally only remember news about Coca) because they were quitting is so... childish. Oh boy, this is high school level management.
Cygoris
Profile Joined May 2012
Luxembourg40 Posts
October 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#1685
On October 18 2012 06:09 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:06 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:47 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:44 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:09 Kokujin wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:05 mikedebo wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:25 Cygoris wrote:
You don't disband a successful team because you're butt hurt.


+9999


No, you disband because you have no $ponsors and half your roster is unmotivated/quit


Read again please.
Money/sponsors wasn't the issue, motivation was not the issue (I'm quite sure even I can find player motivated to play for Slayers) and results were not the issue.

Drama, treason and lack of (honest) communication between the Korean SC2 community are the issue.

And yes, Slayers was disbanded because she was butt hurt and had enough basically.

Yeah but how can you lift an embargo like that... It was a conspiracy against her and now the conspirator has admitted it too



Well first of all, Slayers was a very successful team under the embargo.
Then you don't wait 2 centuries before publicly addressing the issue.
You have to openly complain about it to make it stop.


You cannot do that in korea and expect to continue. This kind of revelation was possible because jessica is disbanding slayers.


I'm not familiar with their business culture and I'm not judging it.
But it sounds really weird that no one ever tried a meeting with ESF and Slayers to fix this mess.
They are both losers today, Korean Esport lost today, what did they expect?

I'm not saying they were morons, I'm just saying all of this could have been avoided easily with one or two meeting and a written partnership between Slayers and ESF.
Wait... What?
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#1686
On October 18 2012 06:14 muLe wrote:
After all of the 1st Translation, I think that ESF is an Organization that primary target is to maximize their non-members disadvantage in order to have an advantage for the own members.

Not an Organization that has the wealth of Esports globally in mind.

Sure someone can argue that one group action egoistic can be beneficial for the whole community.
I do not like these kind of methods.

Waiting for what the other side has to say
, ... but I don't think that the ESF Team Coaches are all innocent in this drama.

Startale admitted its true
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
October 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#1687
On October 18 2012 06:10 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:09 Noocta wrote:
The fact that Jessica was putting players in two categories ' GSTL one and non GSTL one" is already fucking wrong.
It seems that woman had no idea how to manage a team at all.

Thats what alicia is saying and his explanation why he didnt wanted to participate in gstl is very childish


Um, no.

The reason he didn't want to participate is that in the event he lost, Jessica would apparently be really hard on him. Would you want to put up with being abused over a loss when you gave it your best effort?
sihyunie
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
October 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#1688
On October 18 2012 06:06 tofubeans wrote:
ESFI: Jessica said in the article that you had declined to participate in GSTL.

That was because I really hated what will happen if I lose the match in GSTL. Jessica makes players very uncomfortable after losing their match as she complains about not preparing enough or not practicing enough. As I have said before, she seemed to care more about GSTL than any other leagues, so I was having too much stress about it and did not want more of it.


What a joke. He didn't want to get grilled by team owner after a loss? And what's wrong with team owner caring more about the team league? It's not like she prevented him from participating in other leagues. He would probably cry if he was in a KeSPA team which takes Proleague over everything else and players have to sleep less and use their free time to practice for individual league.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#1689
On October 18 2012 06:15 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:11 Noocta wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:10 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:09 Noocta wrote:
The fact that Jessica was putting players in two categories ' GSTL one and non GSTL one" is already fucking wrong.
It seems that woman had no idea how to manage a team at all.

Thats what alicia is saying and his explanation why he didnt wanted to participate in gstl is very childish


I don't think so.
I would not want to participate if I was blamed for every loss.

That's not how you motivate a player to do better.

Thats what he is saying. In reality slayers was a 2 time champ and 2 time runner up

If you cant motivate the team that results would not have happened.


If you don't want to believe any words the guy say, it's your choice.
Results should not come before a good atmosphere in the team for me, but that's my opinion.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#1690
On October 18 2012 06:15 Cygoris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:09 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:06 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:47 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:44 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:09 Kokujin wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:05 mikedebo wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:25 Cygoris wrote:
You don't disband a successful team because you're butt hurt.


+9999


No, you disband because you have no $ponsors and half your roster is unmotivated/quit


Read again please.
Money/sponsors wasn't the issue, motivation was not the issue (I'm quite sure even I can find player motivated to play for Slayers) and results were not the issue.

Drama, treason and lack of (honest) communication between the Korean SC2 community are the issue.

And yes, Slayers was disbanded because she was butt hurt and had enough basically.

Yeah but how can you lift an embargo like that... It was a conspiracy against her and now the conspirator has admitted it too

Jessica met with esf and coach won many times. They wouldnt budge because she doesnt listen and join them

Well first of all, Slayers was a very successful team under the embargo.
Then you don't wait 2 centuries before publicly addressing the issue.
You have to openly complain about it to make it stop.


You cannot do that in korea and expect to continue. This kind of revelation was possible because jessica is disbanding slayers.


I'm not familiar with their business culture and I'm not judging it.
But it sounds really weird that no one ever tried a meeting with ESF and Slayers to fix this mess.
They are both losers today, Korean Esport lost today, what did they expect?

I'm not saying they were morons, I'm just saying all of this could have been avoided easily with one or two meeting and a written partnership between Slayers and ESF.



User was warned for this post
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 21:20:06
October 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#1691
On October 18 2012 06:16 sihyunie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:06 tofubeans wrote:
ESFI: Jessica said in the article that you had declined to participate in GSTL.

That was because I really hated what will happen if I lose the match in GSTL. Jessica makes players very uncomfortable after losing their match as she complains about not preparing enough or not practicing enough. As I have said before, she seemed to care more about GSTL than any other leagues, so I was having too much stress about it and did not want more of it.


What a joke. He didn't want to get grilled by team owner after a loss? And what's wrong with team owner caring more about the team league? It's not like she prevented him from participating in other leagues. He would probably cry if he was in a KeSPA team which takes Proleague over everything else and players have to sleep less and use their free time to practice for individual league.


It's not the fact she preferred GSTL. It's the fact she preferred it to such a point that she basically didn't give a shit about her individual league focused players, such as Alicia.

So then "if he didn't like it, why didn't he leave?"; he tried, and Jessica sued him.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:18 GMT
#1692
On October 18 2012 06:15 Cygoris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:09 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:06 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:47 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 05:44 Cygoris wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:09 Kokujin wrote:
On October 18 2012 04:05 mikedebo wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:25 Cygoris wrote:
You don't disband a successful team because you're butt hurt.


+9999


No, you disband because you have no $ponsors and half your roster is unmotivated/quit


Read again please.
Money/sponsors wasn't the issue, motivation was not the issue (I'm quite sure even I can find player motivated to play for Slayers) and results were not the issue.

Drama, treason and lack of (honest) communication between the Korean SC2 community are the issue.

And yes, Slayers was disbanded because she was butt hurt and had enough basically.

Yeah but how can you lift an embargo like that... It was a conspiracy against her and now the conspirator has admitted it too

Well first of all, Slayers was a very successful team under the embargo.
Then you don't wait 2 centuries before publicly addressing the issue.
You have to openly complain about it to make it stop.


You cannot do that in korea and expect to continue. This kind of revelation was possible because jessica is disbanding slayers.


I'm not familiar with their business culture and I'm not judging it.
But it sounds really weird that no one ever tried a meeting with ESF and Slayers to fix this mess.
They are both losers today, Korean Esport lost today, what did they expect?

I'm not saying they were morons, I'm just saying all of this could have been avoided easily with one or two meeting and a written partnership between Slayers and ESF.

Jessica met with esf and coach won many times. They wouldnt budge because she doesnt listen and join them
Bamm
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden279 Posts
October 17 2012 21:18 GMT
#1693
omg... RIP <3
Bamm and the dirt is gone!
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 21:20:56
October 17 2012 21:19 GMT
#1694
TLDR: Jessica puts the nails in the coffin for SlayerS. Lots of this is a direct result of her terrible PR skills.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
October 17 2012 21:19 GMT
#1695
The saddest thing about this is that talented RTS gamers like CoCa, Puzzle and Min will waste their talent playing LoL...
I don't think that MMA and Alicia will have any problems in finding new team.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:19 GMT
#1696
On October 18 2012 06:17 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:16 sihyunie wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:06 tofubeans wrote:
ESFI: Jessica said in the article that you had declined to participate in GSTL.

That was because I really hated what will happen if I lose the match in GSTL. Jessica makes players very uncomfortable after losing their match as she complains about not preparing enough or not practicing enough. As I have said before, she seemed to care more about GSTL than any other leagues, so I was having too much stress about it and did not want more of it.


What a joke. He didn't want to get grilled by team owner after a loss? And what's wrong with team owner caring more about the team league? It's not like she prevented him from participating in other leagues. He would probably cry if he was in a KeSPA team which takes Proleague over everything else and players have to sleep less and use their free time to practice for individual league.


It's not the fact she preferred GSTL. It's the fact she preferred it to such a point that she basically didn't give a shit about her individual league focused players.

Once again thats what he is saying

Personal records of slayers players including alicia tell us otherwise
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
October 17 2012 21:20 GMT
#1697
On October 18 2012 06:09 -niL wrote:
I just feel sorry for poor BoxeR He spent so much time, money and dedication on his team yet the players don't give him half the respect he deserves

I don't. It seems like they handled everything terribly. Just reading the MMA section was ridiculous. Slayers was a mess. Plain and simple.
Meki
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands97 Posts
October 17 2012 21:22 GMT
#1698
On October 18 2012 06:10 andaylin wrote:
i never liked MMA or SlayerS, but this is still sad news.


How can you say that? MMA is such a nice person. He is always smiling, being very friendly during interviews. He is a very positive person. Really can't see why you don't like him.... or SlayerS.
Proud fan of team SlayerS! <3 BoxeR, MMA, GanZi, Ryung, TaeJa, Dragon, Artist, Polt and Trump <3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 21:22:57
October 17 2012 21:22 GMT
#1699
On October 18 2012 06:19 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:17 MCXD wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:16 sihyunie wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:06 tofubeans wrote:
ESFI: Jessica said in the article that you had declined to participate in GSTL.

That was because I really hated what will happen if I lose the match in GSTL. Jessica makes players very uncomfortable after losing their match as she complains about not preparing enough or not practicing enough. As I have said before, she seemed to care more about GSTL than any other leagues, so I was having too much stress about it and did not want more of it.


What a joke. He didn't want to get grilled by team owner after a loss? And what's wrong with team owner caring more about the team league? It's not like she prevented him from participating in other leagues. He would probably cry if he was in a KeSPA team which takes Proleague over everything else and players have to sleep less and use their free time to practice for individual league.


It's not the fact she preferred GSTL. It's the fact she preferred it to such a point that she basically didn't give a shit about her individual league focused players.

Once again thats what he is saying

Personal records of slayers players including alicia tell us otherwise

If you believe Jessica, then why not Alicia too? From what I can conclude from both sides, Jessica is bad at managing and motivating while the players are childish and unprofessional.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 17 2012 21:23 GMT
#1700
On October 18 2012 06:17 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 06:15 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:11 Noocta wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:10 farnham wrote:
On October 18 2012 06:09 Noocta wrote:
The fact that Jessica was putting players in two categories ' GSTL one and non GSTL one" is already fucking wrong.
It seems that woman had no idea how to manage a team at all.

Thats what alicia is saying and his explanation why he didnt wanted to participate in gstl is very childish


I don't think so.
I would not want to participate if I was blamed for every loss.

That's not how you motivate a player to do better.

Thats what he is saying. In reality slayers was a 2 time champ and 2 time runner up

If you cant motivate the team that results would not have happened.


If you don't want to believe any words the guy say, it's your choice.
Results should not come before a good atmosphere in the team for me, but that's my opinion.

I do believe thats his perception

But the comment that he wanted an escort from the airport comes off as childish.. He complains about the bus ride fees.. That cost Below 5000 won from incheon to seoul and in comparison to the price he just won its nothing..

Alicia is the oldest player of slayers and was their first ace.. You would expect him to be more mature
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