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On October 18 2012 06:29 grobo wrote: After the first "Jessica"-incident it became painfully clear to me that she has absolutely no business running a team. There are 2 separate issues here.
Jessica's ability to manage team.
And environment that was also not crystal clear.
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On October 18 2012 06:34 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:23 Cygoris wrote:On October 18 2012 06:18 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 06:15 Cygoris wrote:On October 18 2012 06:09 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 06:06 Cygoris wrote:On October 18 2012 05:47 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 05:44 Cygoris wrote:On October 18 2012 04:09 Kokujin wrote:On October 18 2012 04:05 mikedebo wrote: [quote]
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No, you disband because you have no $ponsors and half your roster is unmotivated/quit Read again please. Money/sponsors wasn't the issue, motivation was not the issue (I'm quite sure even I can find player motivated to play for Slayers) and results were not the issue. Drama, treason and lack of (honest) communication between the Korean SC2 community are the issue. And yes, Slayers was disbanded because she was butt hurt and had enough basically. Yeah but how can you lift an embargo like that... It was a conspiracy against her and now the conspirator has admitted it too Well first of all, Slayers was a very successful team under the embargo. Then you don't wait 2 centuries before publicly addressing the issue. You have to openly complain about it to make it stop. You cannot do that in korea and expect to continue. This kind of revelation was possible because jessica is disbanding slayers. I'm not familiar with their business culture and I'm not judging it. But it sounds really weird that no one ever tried a meeting with ESF and Slayers to fix this mess. They are both losers today, Korean Esport lost today, what did they expect? I'm not saying they were morons, I'm just saying all of this could have been avoided easily with one or two meeting and a written partnership between Slayers and ESF. Jessica met with esf and coach won many times. They wouldnt budge because she doesnt listen and join them If she failed to find an understanding between her team and the federation it's her responsibility and she should have stepped down and let someone else carry these negotiations. I'm just speculating like everybody else here, but for pete sake there had to be a way, all of this mess sounds so childish don't you think? The team had money, talents and results. And now they're done. I mean... come on. Don't worry bud. Those players are going to find new homes very fast.
Well some of them will, some won't, and that's the problem when you have a big team like Slayers that disappears for no good reason. It makes the whole scene looks unstable and immature and that's precisely what sponsors are not looking for. Dick move from all of them as far as I'm concerned.
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They had the coolest logo too :T
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On October 18 2012 06:36 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:31 ggrrg wrote:On October 18 2012 06:13 geokilla wrote:Obviously the liar doesn't deny that they lied... Is there really a lie or anything, we won't know unless there's legal action taken and we hear from different sides. Right now, we heard from SlayersJessica, and to me, it sounds like she's willing to take everyone down with her while expressing her feelings for her players as someone who loves them and wants them to do their very best. It's hard to believe this Manager J had such an influence on everyone. It's like he single handedly destroyed Slayers, while at the same time making eSf and the players look like the bad guys. Looks like I was right. Can we have all the article links put in the OP? That way it makes it easier for us to read it. There's currently like 80 pages to go through... This thread will probably get up to like 300. If you had taken the time to read more than a post or two in this thread you would have seen that actually you are (almost) completely wrong. 1. ESF fucked over slayers big time by prohibiting their players to train with slayers' players. (confirmed by startale coach and to some degree by alicia himself) 2. Slayers did not pouch Ganzi. Ganzi decided by himself to leave IM and ask slayers to join. They actually rejected him at first. (confirmed by IM coach) 3. J harmed slayers badly. (confirmed by Alicia) Whatever mistakes Jessica might have made as a manager become irrelevant when looking at the main problems (1 and 3), which have had by far the worst impact on the team. Also, you shouldn't take Alicia's statements about how the players were treated at face value yet (just like Jessica's statements on player interaction), since both might try to make themselves look better. From your list, 1. maybe she and Boxer could have made a negotiation with SC2Con so that Slayers players were not ostracized. 2. not Slayers fault, it seems. 3. Miscommunication (or lack of communication) is the problem. And misjudgement in hiring Mr. J 1. They tried to talk to ST's coach but it really didn't work out (rather, they said they weren't isolating SlayerS). They also didn't know about this for quite some time until they got confirmation from other team's players.
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ESFI: Do you know anything personally about J manager incident as mentioned in the article?
It’s true that things went the wrong way because of him What a strange person?
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CoCa to LoL? That's the saddest part somehow, even though MMA has always been my favorite player.
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As IM fans, we should be thankful to Ganzi and SlayerS coaches for setting a turning point in Coach Hirai's life. Look what happened afterwards, multiple championships and finalists. Just insanity.
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This is pretty sad for SC2 scene as a whole; teams are disbanding left and right in Korea (OGS, Zenex, now Slayers, and doesn't look like NSH is keeping up that well too), and I don't see any new teams forming up.
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On October 18 2012 06:39 MichaelDonovan wrote: CoCa to LoL? That's the saddest part somehow, even though MMA has always been my favorite player. Frankly Coca to LoL is not as saddening as giving him ban on GSL because of that silly issue back then. Yes he was immature but it was clear overdoing with punishment and i even said back then it may ruin his sc2 career ever.
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On October 18 2012 06:41 Fubi wrote: This is pretty sad for SC2 scene as a whole; teams are disbanding left and right in Korea (OGS, Zenex, now Slayers, and doesn't look like NSH is keeping up that well too), and I don't see any new teams forming up.
Azubu says 'sup
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So Puzzle and Coca are off to LoL, and I seriously think they won't be the last sadly enough.
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On October 18 2012 06:36 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:31 ggrrg wrote:On October 18 2012 06:13 geokilla wrote:Obviously the liar doesn't deny that they lied... Is there really a lie or anything, we won't know unless there's legal action taken and we hear from different sides. Right now, we heard from SlayersJessica, and to me, it sounds like she's willing to take everyone down with her while expressing her feelings for her players as someone who loves them and wants them to do their very best. It's hard to believe this Manager J had such an influence on everyone. It's like he single handedly destroyed Slayers, while at the same time making eSf and the players look like the bad guys. Looks like I was right. Can we have all the article links put in the OP? That way it makes it easier for us to read it. There's currently like 80 pages to go through... This thread will probably get up to like 300. If you had taken the time to read more than a post or two in this thread you would have seen that actually you are (almost) completely wrong. 1. ESF fucked over slayers big time by prohibiting their players to train with slayers' players. (confirmed by startale coach and to some degree by alicia himself) 2. Slayers did not pouch Ganzi. Ganzi decided by himself to leave IM and ask slayers to join. They actually rejected him at first. (confirmed by IM coach) 3. J harmed slayers badly. (confirmed by Alicia) Whatever mistakes Jessica might have made as a manager become irrelevant when looking at the main problems (1 and 3), which have had by far the worst impact on the team. Also, you shouldn't take Alicia's statements about how the players were treated at face value yet (just like Jessica's statements on player interaction), since both might try to make themselves look better. From your list, 1. maybe she and Boxer could have made a negotiation with SC2Con so that Slayers players were not ostracized. 2. not Slayers fault, it seems. 3. Miscommunication (or lack of communication) is the problem. And misjudgement in hiring Mr. J
Point 1 is hard to address when the Federation denies it's happening. How're you going to come to an agreement with them about something they refuse to admit they're doing?
And 3? There's no miscommunication there. It's a straight-up power play from the manager. Isolate the person at the top, take the players with you and start a new team using the contacts you gained at your old one. It's a malicious act. Yes, misjudgement played a part, but to suggest it's an innocent misunderstanding between Monsieur J and Jessica is foolish.
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On October 18 2012 06:36 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:31 ggrrg wrote:On October 18 2012 06:13 geokilla wrote:Obviously the liar doesn't deny that they lied... Is there really a lie or anything, we won't know unless there's legal action taken and we hear from different sides. Right now, we heard from SlayersJessica, and to me, it sounds like she's willing to take everyone down with her while expressing her feelings for her players as someone who loves them and wants them to do their very best. It's hard to believe this Manager J had such an influence on everyone. It's like he single handedly destroyed Slayers, while at the same time making eSf and the players look like the bad guys. Looks like I was right. Can we have all the article links put in the OP? That way it makes it easier for us to read it. There's currently like 80 pages to go through... This thread will probably get up to like 300. If you had taken the time to read more than a post or two in this thread you would have seen that actually you are (almost) completely wrong. 1. ESF fucked over slayers big time by prohibiting their players to train with slayers' players. (confirmed by startale coach and to some degree by alicia himself) 2. Slayers did not pouch Ganzi. Ganzi decided by himself to leave IM and ask slayers to join. They actually rejected him at first. (confirmed by IM coach) 3. J harmed slayers badly. (confirmed by Alicia) Whatever mistakes Jessica might have made as a manager become irrelevant when looking at the main problems (1 and 3), which have had by far the worst impact on the team. Also, you shouldn't take Alicia's statements about how the players were treated at face value yet (just like Jessica's statements on player interaction), since both might try to make themselves look better. From your list, 1. maybe she and Boxer could have made a negotiation with SC2Con so that Slayers players were not ostracized. 2. not Slayers fault, it seems. 3. Miscommunication (or lack of communication) is the problem. And misjudgement in hiring Mr. J
I'm not claiming that Jessica didn't make mistakes. I'm refuting his claim that she lies considering that those 3 events have been confirmed by other people. By the way, about point 1. Standing on the sidelines, it's easy to say what she should have done, but we do not know the conditions sc2con/ESF wanted to impose on slayers, so we cannot really judge the situation. The fact is however, sc2con/esf extorted slayers. Maybe, the situation could have been remedied, but that's beside the point.
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I've been reading every single comment + published translations on TL so far and felt the urge to finally write a comment myself not only once, but I think I need more information (especially from other Slayers players included in the aforementioned problems) to forge an opinion. Either way it's pretty sad news. I can't believe talents like Coca and Puzzle just gave up on Sc2 and play LoL instead...
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Crank claims that he only planned to play SC2 till the end of this year, and he left the team so he could play the game comfortably, but we'll have to see if that's true. Just in case he wants to change his story later, I recorded his call. My God.
What is wrong with her?
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Can anyone link the confirmation from the ST coach that there was indeed a practice ban enacted on Slayers by ESF?
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On October 18 2012 06:42 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:41 Fubi wrote: This is pretty sad for SC2 scene as a whole; teams are disbanding left and right in Korea (OGS, Zenex, now Slayers, and doesn't look like NSH is keeping up that well too), and I don't see any new teams forming up. Azubu says 'sup
Their main focus is still LoL. That's not really the same. Kinda like when Startale had a LoL roster. ( even if Violet is way better in sc2 than the startale line up was in lol )
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On October 18 2012 06:31 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 06:13 geokilla wrote:Obviously the liar doesn't deny that they lied... Is there really a lie or anything, we won't know unless there's legal action taken and we hear from different sides. Right now, we heard from SlayersJessica, and to me, it sounds like she's willing to take everyone down with her while expressing her feelings for her players as someone who loves them and wants them to do their very best. It's hard to believe this Manager J had such an influence on everyone. It's like he single handedly destroyed Slayers, while at the same time making eSf and the players look like the bad guys. Looks like I was right. Can we have all the article links put in the OP? That way it makes it easier for us to read it. There's currently like 80 pages to go through... This thread will probably get up to like 300. If you had taken the time to read more than a post or two in this thread you would have seen that actually you are (almost) completely wrong. 1. ESF fucked over slayers big time by prohibiting their players to train with slayers' players. (confirmed by startale coach and to some degree by alicia himself) 2. Slayers did not pouch Ganzi. Ganzi decided by himself to leave IM and ask slayers to join. They actually rejected him at first. (confirmed by IM coach) 3. J harmed slayers badly. (confirmed by Alicia) Whatever mistakes Jessica might have made as a manager become irrelevant when looking at the main problems (1 and 3), which have had by far the worst impact on the team. Also, you shouldn't take Alicia's statements about how the players were treated at face value yet (just like Jessica's statements on player interaction), since both might try to make themselves look better.
1. this is slayers fault, when you reject partnership with the ESF you should also consider the consequences 2. Could of been handled better but its not Slayers fault at all. 3. Who hired J in the first place ???
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This whole thing makes me really sad and pessimistic about the future. I can still remember the "Slayers MLG" where they completely took everyone out. Really sad to see how far things have gone since then.
What makes this even worse is that Coca and Puzzle have left. Coca was a player who (obviously some was his own fault) never reached his full potential. When he first came onto the scene I was sure he'd be a top 5 zerg.
Good luck to all the players and people effected by this though!
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On October 18 2012 06:44 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +Crank claims that he only planned to play SC2 till the end of this year, and he left the team so he could play the game comfortably, but we'll have to see if that's true. Just in case he wants to change his story later, I recorded his call. My God. What is wrong with her? Because Dragon did the same thing to her earlier and when she reveal it to the community everyone shit on her?
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