Destiny on where he thinks SC2 is heading. - Page 32

On October 17 2012 22:23 boxman22 wrote:

LoL/Dota are actually not casual in the slightest. They have GIGANTIC learning curves and have horrible communities that rage at anyone new.

On October 17 2012 22:28 theniceninja wrote:
I'm new to Esports and the whole scene. I only became interested when SC2 released, even then it took me a while to get really into it. I've watched some Dota 2 and I have a beta key, but I'm only half interested. LoL is just painful to watch, and I can't believe so many people want to watch it, let alone play it. These games exploded really fast and I think lots of people like Destiny are just mad that their favorite game (sc2) isn't as popular. Remember with most things in life, "the bigger they are the harder they fall". You say Brood War was popular for 10 years in South Korea? Brood War is an expansion to sc1. How long was that game out before it started gaining popularity? SC2 has just been out for 2 years! It has no expansion, apparently HOTS is still in "experimental beta mode". I think we all need to have a little patience and faith. LoL is not going to last, and SC2 has two planned expansions still to come. I have this problem in my personal life where you just want to be able to DO SOMETHING to change what is going on around you, but I've learned sometimes you can't do anything and you just have to wait and do little things that you can hope will have an impact later. I'm just gonna keep playing and loving SC2 for a long time I think. all I ever do is 1v1s and I find custom maps and games pretty boring, so I like the system in place.

On October 17 2012 22:36 LOLItsRyann wrote:
I stopped playing SC2 a year back to switch to LoL, I'm playing SC2 again now but nowhere near as much. I love the way Riot just handle LoL, new champion every patch, new skins, the report and honor system, champion spotlights, community spotlights, loads of youtube channels dedicated to top 5 this and that. It's so much better than SC2 in that regard.

And of course the IP/RP system, do you know how much of my playing is fueled by the rewards so I can collect new champions? Like someone else said earlier, there's just no motivation to playing SC2. For me I'm playing at the moment to get promoted to Diamond. But there's only so many leagues you can go.

Another thing about LoL, the spectator system. I can log on one day and literally jump into a professionals game and watch what's going on first hand. I can jump into my friends games and watch them. None of that in SC2. I think the saddest part is, that what the community are asking for:

How difficult can it be to implement simple things like this.

On October 17 2012 22:46 Kambing wrote:


Uh. Hard. Ironically, heavier community involvement and integration is the easiest of them things you listed, but keep in mind that the ecosystems of LoL and Starcraft are different --- LoL is primarily driven by Riot, Starcraft is driven primarily by community websites --- so even that isn't straightforward.

But no. The IP/RP system and spectator system are fundamental changes to the game which requires careful thought and significant time to implement.

On October 17 2012 22:40 WniO wrote:
hots will be fine, not dead. now go away destiny.

On October 17 2012 22:42 TangYiChen wrote:


I'm curious as to why you think LoL isn't going to last. The number of people playing and watching LoL is far greater than SC2. SC2 streamers that used to get 6000+ viewers are struggling to keep 3000. The Day9 Daily used to have over 10,000 people watching it, but when I turned it on last night (for the first time in a while), he only had 3000. Sure if they stream more, then there is more availability of it and they will get less viewers, but LoL has a HUGE following. It is just simply more fun to play. I have more fun playing LoL with my friends than SC2, and I am Masters SC2. Also, the most recent LoL tournament had hundreds of thousands of viewers (probably because there aren't many LoL tournaments like there are SC2 and the prize pool was $2 million). SC2 just doesn't get that kind of viewership.

I agree SC1 is big because of its expansion, BW, but HotS definitely does not look promising. I think SC2 just needs a huge rework. The meta is very, very boring. The only thing that's fun for me in SC2 is improving.

The current prize money level represents that of a very serious sport. We need to be making some strides in better payout structures, and rewarding more spots, but in the grand scheme of things, we are in a decent place. There is enough prize money to keep developing this scene. It's always good to improve payouts, but it's not something that keeps this from being a successful sport.

Dota uses a top-down approach where they start with competitive play and expect this to trickle down. I think the success of BroodWar in Korea relied on competitive play first, casual play second. There are even the success stories of mods such as Dota1 and Counter-Strike, where accessibility was not the primary concern. The reason these games succeeded is off of competitive play.

On October 17 2012 22:50 LOLItsRyann wrote:


Exactly my point, SC2 is driven primarily by community websites. That alone is not right, and regardless of reasons, LoL is far more popular than SC2 is. Whatever Riot are doing that Blizzard are not, it's working, and Starcraft is slowly going to decline and become obsolete.

Also, don't get me wrong, I know it's not easy to implement such things, but it's Blizzard, it's Riot, they have the knowledge to be able to do it. So while it might be hard as such, it cannot be 'that' hard for Blizzard to do.