IGN Pro League is thrilled to bring you the second iteration of the GSL World Championship LIVE from IPL5 at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas! The GSL World Championship will have the best players from South Korea duking it out against seven of the best players from the rest of the world. The GSL World Championship will be played across multiple days with both Pro League format and Winners League format aspects.
GOMTV has already invited two foreigners to represent the World All Stars: Naniwa and EG.Stephano!
We will need your help to determine the other five players, with three coming from Europe and two coming from the North America / South America / SEA regions combined.
Basically, we have constructed two polls, one for Europe and one for the NA/SA/SEA regions. The top 16 vote-getters of each poll will play in a separate single-elimination, bo3 qualifier tournament for a chance to play at the World Championship in Las Vegas on November 29th - December 2nd. The top two European qualifiers will move on to join the World All Stars, and the top NA/SA/SEA qualifier will join as well making a total of five players. Every member of the World All Stars will receive free flights and hotel stays to IPL5, as well as entry into the IPL5 Main Tournament.
Here are the two poll links:
Note: You can vote for THREE European players and TWO NA/SA/SEA players!
Dates for the World All Star Qualifiers are still being decided, but will likely be scheduled during two weeks in October.
Please vote and spread the word! Polls close at midnight Pacific on Sunday, September 23, so get them in as quickly as you can!
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Please vote for players who have the best chances of bringing down 5 koreans in a BO9 (Mostly talking about the NA poll vote... If you know what I mean).
Every time I see one of these polls, it just reminds me how success as a progamer in the west has at least as much to do with your public relations as it does with actually being good at the game. :-/
On September 18 2012 06:44 aristarchus wrote: Every time I see one of these polls, it just reminds me how success as a progamer in the west has at least as much to do with your public relations as it does with actually being good at the game. :-/
Such a random poll. You have someone like Fuzer, but not a national champion of Ukraine like Bly. You have Hawk as EU.
Apart from the fact that this is something which is stupid to decide by votes because a lot of people don't know much about players and just vote for the ones they know and like or for those who stream a lot.
I voted Nerchio, Lucifron, Titan because I'd like to see them play, because they're kinda good, because it'd be racially balanced and because I think they might have a shot. But I guess it's somewhat hopeless since Titan is stuck at two votes. D:
Sen and Scarlett for NA/SEA/TW, I don't have much hope for anyone else. I don't know at all how good Sen is atm, but he shouldn't be much worse than the others.
On September 18 2012 06:52 johnny123 wrote: kinda dont like this voting system, instead of having deserving players, we gonna end up with fan favorites instead.
I bet 100% idra will make the vote despite not being good enough to represent the world for NA.
On September 18 2012 06:52 johnny123 wrote: kinda dont like this voting system, instead of having deserving players, we gonna end up with fan favorites instead.
I bet 100% idra will make the vote despite not being good enough to represent the world for NA.
The voting is to decide who makes it to the 16 man bracket. Then the top players from the tournament make up the team.
On September 18 2012 06:52 johnny123 wrote: kinda dont like this voting system, instead of having deserving players, we gonna end up with fan favorites instead.
I bet 100% idra will make the vote despite not being good enough to represent the world for NA.
I guess he better give his WCS WC seed to someone else then...
On September 18 2012 06:50 StarVe wrote: Such a random poll. You have someone like Fuzer, but not a national champion of Ukraine like Bly. You have Hawk as EU.
Apart from the fact that this is something which is stupid to decide by votes because a lot of people don't know much about players and just vote for the ones they know and like or for those who stream a lot.
I agree. Why not have a little online qualifier for this?
On September 18 2012 06:58 Canucklehead wrote: Wasn't the original announcement for this 5v5, but now it's 7v7? Not that I mind, but will the 7 koreans also get invites into the main tournament?
It is still 5v5 / bo9 format. There will be more people on the team than necessary so that the team will have options for who to use!
how can you get on the list? And why is there no qualifier. This way u will only get people who are fan favourites and not the people wh have the best skill.
AND TO REITERATE, these polls only decide who gets put into qualifiers, not who joins the World All Stars.
Bly and Fraer have better ELOs than Fuzer, Goody, and a lot of other people on your poll.
Yup, there's a reason RoX.KIS would send fraer over Abver in clan wars.
On September 18 2012 07:01 Harstem wrote: how can you get on the list? And why is there no qualifier. This way u will only get people who are fan favourites and not the people wh have the best skill.
I assume that's sort of the point. They'll want to get viewers, but the whole list is still incredibly random.
On September 18 2012 06:58 Canucklehead wrote: Wasn't the original announcement for this 5v5, but now it's 7v7? Not that I mind, but will the 7 koreans also get invites into the main tournament?
It is still 5v5 / bo9 format. There will be more people on the team than necessary so that the team will have options for who to use!
So we won't actually see everyone play, even on the losing team?
The top 2 in the NA/SA/SEA I can see taking games off top code S koreans are Sen and Scarlett. If we're doing it by a popularity contest, we're gonna get smashed when the actual tournament starts.
Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
For example, a guy like Lastshadow getting more votes than Ostojiy? Seriously, after the Red Bull LAN fiasco?
Picked Scarlett/Vibe for NA and Grubby Thorzain and Lucifron for EU, was thinking about vortix instead of thorzain for EU but Stephano is already on the team and my love for Thorzain is unconditional ;o
Lucifron/Vortix/Grubby here, and I'm hating myself for forgetting Nerchio until I saw the results... I'd have probably replaced Grubby... but it's race balanced so... I don't know :/ Nerchio is still probably the strongest of the bunch in my opinion.
Scarlett is a nobrainer, and I chose SEn, just cause it's sad SA/SEA are on the same poll, hence nobody from there has a chance to be chosen...
Lucifron Vortix Nerchio Scarlett Idra I realised I wantet to put Sheth instead of Idra after I votet <.< Whatever Idra has been having an upswing as of late..
On September 18 2012 07:04 Bagration wrote: Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
except they still have to qualify zzzzzzzzzz. and winners from the IPL5 qualifers will participate as well.
On September 18 2012 07:04 Bagration wrote: Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
except they still have to qualify zzzzzzzzzz. and winners from the IPL5 qualifers will participate as well.
I'm relieved to hear that HayprO might still get on the team...
The only player who I think should 100% be selected is Scarlett. Very dominant in recent months and she deserves a spot. Other than that the remaining spots (for both "regions") are certainly up for discussion and a number of players could be argued to deserve being selected.
On September 18 2012 06:58 Canucklehead wrote: Wasn't the original announcement for this 5v5, but now it's 7v7? Not that I mind, but will the 7 koreans also get invites into the main tournament?
It is still 5v5 / bo9 format. There will be more people on the team than necessary so that the team will have options for who to use!
Hi, I sent you a PM. Could you have a look at it please ^_ ^ ?.
I have a feeling when i read the comment a lot of people dont read the thread. There are still qualifiers for the top 16. So you still get good players, and fan favourites at the same time. And this tournement is ment to be with fan favourites. Also i think the voting is better then just invites for the qualifiers like GSL did last year.
On September 18 2012 07:04 Bagration wrote: Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
except they still have to qualify zzzzzzzzzz. and winners from the IPL5 qualifers will participate as well.
On September 18 2012 07:04 Bagration wrote: Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
except they still have to qualify zzzzzzzzzz. and winners from the IPL5 qualifers will participate as well.
am i blind or where do you find that ppl will qualify? i only see 7 ppl getting chosen, and it's all by voting
Maybe read the thread before posting? it clearly says that the top 16 of both voting will do a qualifier for the 5 spots that are left
I feel like people are just picking fan favourites and not actually the most skilled. E.g Demuslim has 8% but is barely top half in skill of the poll players
Major Scarlett from NA. Lucifron, Vortix, Nerchio from EU. My love for Grubby almost made me vote for him, but I tried to remain objective and these 3 are the best choices imo.
On September 18 2012 07:17 fcgog wrote: don't agree this should be decide by a vote.but i voted for fraer titan and lucifron
except it's only decided partially by voting.
you're only voting for candidate selections. the actual candidates have to fight amongst themselves to see who gets an actual spot on the roster.
Since it's top 16 who enter the qualifying tournament, most of the relevant pro gamers will be invited (since the candidate pool isn't actually that big for what the cut off is).
Vortix,Lucifron and Nerchio needs more votes guys. Demuslim got more votes then those 3 atm.
On September 18 2012 07:04 Bagration wrote: Damnit, I wish there was a better way to do this than a poll. I'd hate to see some washed up players knock stronger players out of the running simply because they have a more entertaining stream. :\
For example, a guy like Lastshadow getting more votes than Ostojiy? Seriously, after the Red Bull LAN fiasco?
You right its almost a disgrace.
People please vote with you brain and not you heart
On September 18 2012 07:17 fcgog wrote: don't agree this should be decide by a vote.but i voted for fraer titan and lucifron
except it's only decided partially by voting.
you're only voting for candidate selections. the actual candidates have to fight amongst themselves to see who gets an actual spot on the roster.
Still, in europe you need to be top 16 out of 56. I don't think that you can get into the qualifier without being popular.
I guarantee you all 16 out of those 56 players won't be flakes.
Even if ThorZain, WhiteRa and DeMuslim get in (no offense to them, but they've been falling off), there will still be 13 other spots. More than plenty chances for that slightly under the radar but amazing player to get in.
NA felt easiest, went with Scarlett and Major. Nerchio felt like a no brainer, harder after that. Ended up picking Sortof(over Vortix in a way I guess) and Lucifron.
So my picks were: Scarlett, Major, Nerchio, Sortof and Lucifron.
May I suggest playing a round-robbing format from the semifinals onwards on NA? If you determine the top 2 in a single elimination format, it could be that one semifinal is absolutely stacked while the other is meh. So it could be that skillwise, two players in the one semifinal should advance, however due to the format only one of the can.
To be honest, Nerchio, SortOf and Vortix are the best in EU right now. I voted Nerchio, MaNa, Bly 'cos Nerchio is the best pick, and I don't want SortOf or Vortix to defeat him in qualifier
About NA: Scarlett and Sen for sure. There is huge skill gap between those 2 and all the others.
On September 18 2012 07:29 Akta wrote: NA felt easiest, went with Scarlett and Major. Nerchio felt like a no brainer, harder after that. Ended up picking Sortof(over Vortix in a way I guess) and Lucifron.
So my picks were: Scarlett, Major, Nerchio, Sortof and Lucifron.
SortOf is bad at ZvT. That's not good against Koreans.
On September 18 2012 07:30 Gamegene wrote: and honestly. this is meant to be a fun event.
if you really want to see Korea vs The World, I hear Blizzard is throwing a cool tournament in China this year.
What kind of a tournament is that? It doesn't even have Terrans. =(
If you're concerned that it's "just a popularity contest" then by all means, go vote for those players who SHOULD have more votes (but maybe they're not your secret popular favorites). The popular players will get in no matter what, the real battle for votes is going to be among the players with >7%.
If you're that concerned with making sure talent gets a chance for opportunity, then choose wisely!
On September 18 2012 06:44 aristarchus wrote: Every time I see one of these polls, it just reminds me how success as a progamer in the west has at least as much to do with your public relations as it does with actually being good at the game. :-/
We need to get an actually good team ppl stop voting for Popularity. Korea vs the World wont be fun if we pick popular players to get stomped on by the top 7 koreans. Im guessing Koreans will be chosen by GSL points. Which means right now these would be the players that are going to play DRG,Seed,Mvp,Mc,Squirtle, Genius , and Parting. This can change by taeja, hero, MKP, symbol, or leenock making it deep into this GSL but still!!! come on guys these is going to be a sick Korea team. We need the "BEST" to compete not the most popular.
On September 18 2012 06:44 aristarchus wrote: Every time I see one of these polls, it just reminds me how success as a progamer in the west has at least as much to do with your public relations as it does with actually being good at the game. :-/
@people voting idra
Did you see who Idra beat in the last MLG? He's the only guy who managed to beat First, outside of Leenock. He also beat one or two more Koreans.
On September 18 2012 07:34 zeratul_jf wrote: We need to get an actually good team ppl stop voting for Popularity. Korea vs the World wont be fun if we pick popular players to get stomped on by the top 7 koreans. Im guessing Koreans will be chosen by GSL points. Which means right now these would be the players that are going to play DRG,Seed,Mvp,Mc,Squirtle, Genius , and Parting. This can change by taeja, hero, MKP, symbol, or leenock making it deep into this GSL but still!!! come on guys these is going to be a sick Korea team. We need the "BEST" to compete not the most popular.
we dont really stand a chance anyway unless Stephano and Nerchio all killed their team
MajOr - Curious to see how good he's become, his recent toe-to-toe with PuMa indicates he might stand a pretty good chance. Scarlett - One of the best and most reliable NA players.
EU:
Nerchio - Incredibly good zerg, stands a good chance vs most koreans. MaNa - Recent Up and Down group gave me hope for him, dont want to count him out and i feel we got good zerg representation allready. DeMusliM - Still waiting for him to be consistent for an entire tournament.
On September 18 2012 07:29 Akta wrote: NA felt easiest, went with Scarlett and Major. Nerchio felt like a no brainer, harder after that. Ended up picking Sortof(over Vortix in a way I guess) and Lucifron.
So my picks were: Scarlett, Major, Nerchio, Sortof and Lucifron.
SortOf is bad at ZvT. That's not good against Koreans.
His ZvT shouldn't be as good as Vortix's but is his ZvT really that bad atm?
On September 18 2012 07:17 fcgog wrote: don't agree this should be decide by a vote.but i voted for fraer titan and lucifron
except it's only decided partially by voting.
you're only voting for candidate selections. the actual candidates have to fight amongst themselves to see who gets an actual spot on the roster.
Still, in europe you need to be top 16 out of 56. I don't think that you can get into the qualifier without being popular.
I guarantee you all 16 out of those 56 players won't be flakes.
Even if ThorZain, WhiteRa and DeMuslim get in (no offense to them, but they've been falling off), there will still be 13 other spots. More than plenty chances for that slightly under the radar but amazing player to get in.
Demu is in a pretty decent run of form actually. Taking out Inori and Nerchio at IEM and Violet in the Guanzho qualifier. Thorzain is still the best foreign Terran overall. White-Ra I agree with.
I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
On September 18 2012 07:17 fcgog wrote: don't agree this should be decide by a vote.but i voted for fraer titan and lucifron
except it's only decided partially by voting.
you're only voting for candidate selections. the actual candidates have to fight amongst themselves to see who gets an actual spot on the roster.
Still, in europe you need to be top 16 out of 56. I don't think that you can get into the qualifier without being popular.
I guarantee you all 16 out of those 56 players won't be flakes.
Even if ThorZain, WhiteRa and DeMuslim get in (no offense to them, but they've been falling off), there will still be 13 other spots. More than plenty chances for that slightly under the radar but amazing player to get in.
Demu is in a pretty decent run of form actually. Taking out Inori and Nerchio at IEM and Violet in the Guanzho qualifier. Thorzain is still the best foreign Terran overall. White-Ra I agree with.
The Spoon Terran comes into this tournament on a ten game losing streak, with a losing record over the past two months, having recently recovered from a bad bout of tonsillitis, and having spent about fifty hours streaming the HotS beta in the last week. What can we say? Things aren't looking so great for the definitely-not-cursed-ThorZaIN.
Coupled with his relatively early knock out in WCS, "best foreign Terran overall" is a title up for grabs at this point.
Though one cool thing about popular players securing themselves a spot, is that they have a chance to redeem themselves. If they buckle down and focus their efforts on improving themselves, and ultimately qualify, it's a way for them to show us all that they still have the chops.
It also reemphasizes the importance of marketing yourself to your audience. Like it or not, hardcore fans will always remain hardcore fans, but the market for SC2 is catering towards a growing audience of players who may not understand or even play the game very much. If you want to remain relevant and given opportunities like this, you can't just be that skilled player that no one knows about.
NA : Scarlett Major (Didn't voted Sheth because i tend to think about races :d) EU : Grubby, Lucifron, Vortix (had a hard time thinking about nerchio or vortix... but the blues brothers storyline won ;p).
Who are the 7 Players that will be representing south Korea? This is pretty important to know to decipher the best match ups in according to their race and play style.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Awesomeness wrote: I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
except you didn't read the OP.
the top 16 players voted by the SC2 audience will ALL compete for four spots out of the 7.
On September 18 2012 07:29 Akta wrote: NA felt easiest, went with Scarlett and Major. Nerchio felt like a no brainer, harder after that. Ended up picking Sortof(over Vortix in a way I guess) and Lucifron.
So my picks were: Scarlett, Major, Nerchio, Sortof and Lucifron.
SortOf is bad at ZvT. That's not good against Koreans.
His ZvT shouldn't be as good as Vortix's but is his ZvT really that bad atm?
Compare their last three months.
SortOf: 16 - 19 (45.71%), trades games with foreigners, loses decisively against every Korean
VortiX: 21-15: (58.33%), beats most foreigners, beats some Koreans, loses narrowly to others, loses decisively to MVP
Nerchio: 44 - 15 (74.58%), beats almost every foreigner and Korean, loses to MVP.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Awesomeness wrote: I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
Thank you. Let us vote for the top 16, if that's what actually matters, not for our own top three.
On September 18 2012 07:53 Boucot wrote: Btw, who the hell is this Pink player in EU poll ? oO
He made it to the finals of a TSL4 qualifier. That's all he ever did. A reason why sorting by ELO is stupid.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Awesomeness wrote: I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
except you didn't read the OP.
the top 16 players voted by the SC2 audience will ALL compete for four spots out of the 7.
???
The top three European qualifiers will move on to join the World All Stars, and the top two NA/SA/SEA qualifiers will join as well making a total of seven players.
The more I think about the more I realise Idra deserve a spot even if he isn't the best player in NA. The impact he have had on the NA scene is staggering and yes he is slumping right now and there is better players but when Idra was on top of his game he brought in so many fans to the scene and it should be rewarded.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Awesomeness wrote: I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
except you didn't read the OP.
the top 16 players voted by the SC2 audience will ALL compete for four spots out of the 7.
The top three European qualifiers will move on to join the World All Stars, and the top two NA/SA/SEA qualifiers will join as well making a total of seven players.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Awesomeness wrote: I don't mind the voting, but I think there is one big problem: People will naturally vote for the 2-3 players they consider being the best. This way you will get like 6-7 players with A LOT of votes, but very few votes seperating the places say 13-18. It becomes pretty random there and players might fall out that are considered to be top 16 by most people, but not top 6-7.
I think there are 2 solutions for that:
1) Only choose 14 players from the vote and have an open tournament for the other 2 spots. 2) Have an "elimination-style" vote: Invite the player with the most votes every day and remove him from the list, then restart the vote. This way people can vote for the 13th seed, 14th seed etc. and it will make the vote more exciting imo.
except you didn't read the OP.
the top 16 players voted by the SC2 audience will ALL compete for four spots out of the 7.
???
The top three European qualifiers will move on to join the World All Stars, and the top two NA/SA/SEA qualifiers will join as well making a total of seven players.
I picked people that should be able to compete, not just fan favorites. It pained me to go Nerchio over Ret as a fan but can't argue with recent success.
edit: totally forgot about LucifroN.. I might have picked him over recent thorzain. :E
EU: Voted for Vortix and Lucifron based on their performance at WCS, and Nerchio based on recently just being very good.
NA: Voted Vibe and Scarlett based on being national champions and top 2 at the NA WCS. Although I didn't realize Sen was on the poll, if so I'd have voted Sen over Vibe.
This might sound naive, but why dont make a qualifier with all instead of only 16 of them? Does your coverage require a format of 16 players? Adds a nice touch to it so that it isn't a populary contest. Or are you scared somebody unpopular gets in...? (if that is the reason that would be sad)
Edit: Also I don't get confirmation for the vote, it just redisplays the vote, is that normal?
On September 18 2012 08:07 crms wrote: NA: IdrA, Scarlett
EU: Grubby, Nerchio, ThorzaiN
I picked people that should be able to compete, not just fan favorites. It pained me to go Nerchio over Ret as a fan but can't argue with recent success.
edit: totally forgot about LucifroN.. I might have picked him over recent thorzain. :E
Its incredible hard to pick an EU line-up. Terrans you got Thorzain/Lucifron/Kas and even though Kas dont got the same success as the other 2 atm I feel he should be there. Zergs, Vortix/Nerchio its a no brainer. And for protoss Mana,Titan,Sase and Grubby.
My picks would be Lucifron,Nerchio,Mana
On September 18 2012 08:11 Chairman Ray wrote: Voted for my favs instead of most skilled
On September 18 2012 06:50 StarVe wrote: Such a random poll. You have someone like Fuzer, but not a national champion of Ukraine like Bly. You have Hawk as EU.
Apart from the fact that this is something which is stupid to decide by votes because a lot of people don't know much about players and just vote for the ones they know and like or for those who stream a lot.
I voted Nerchio, Lucifron, Titan because I'd like to see them play, because they're kinda good, because it'd be racially balanced and because I think they might have a shot. But I guess it's somewhat hopeless since Titan is stuck at two votes. D:
Sen and Scarlett for NA/SEA/TW, I don't have much hope for anyone else. I don't know at all how good Sen is atm, but he shouldn't be much worse than the others.
Thats why its a allstar team. All allstar teams are voted in
EU line-up is a toss up. Lots of decent players, but few standout ones besides Stephano, who is already in. I think Nerchio, Lucifron, and Vortix are the ones with the best form at the present, but MaNa, Grubby, and Thorzain are old favorites that with better form are able to compete on the same level.
Speaking of Europe, I understand Stephano's invite but they should either have it only for him, since he's far above everyone, or at least invite Thorzain besides Naniwa as well, to have the 3 most accomplished EU players for every race. The way it is now, with single elimination, luck can play a big factor and people who will get crushed by koreans can make it into the top 3 of the qualifiers, above people who proved they can at least put up a fight.
On September 18 2012 08:14 hootsushi wrote: Voted EU VortiX, Thorzain and Grubby for racial balance NA: Sen & Sheth
Forget racial balance! Haha. Foreigners have great zergs at the moment, I chose mostly zerg. Scarlett + Sen, Vortix, Nerchio and then Lucifron sort of on a whim. I did debate between him, Thorzain and Grubby for a little bit, but recent results always get me. I would honestly like to see Thorzain or Grubby there to.
For NA, first choice was easy, Scarlett's performance in her IPL debut and her domination of WCS Canada/North America makes her an automatic pick. The second choice, though, was a bit difficult. Here, I considered these possible candidates: Huk, Idra, Illusion, Major, Hawk, Sheth. The latter four have not really shown big consistency or big wins. Although Huk seems to be in a slump and Idra seemed to be showing signs of reemergence in Anaheim, I felt that there would be too many zergs, Idra seems to be more of a momentum player and not too successful in team leagues, and Huk has the greater experience of playing against Koreans.
EU:
Thorzain, I felt, would be best to choose as a Terran representative. While he doesn't have spectacular results at the very recent tournaments he's been in, he did have a pretty bad illness. Furthermore, he is particularly known for being a smart player, which seems key in the planning/sniping/preparation of a team league. Other Terran candidates I considered were Kas, Demuslim, Lucifron, and beastyqt/Happy. Beastyqt/happy/demuslim don't seem to be particularly consistent in results, and despite lucifron's recent success, that one tournament result doesn't make me confident in his overall ability quite yet. Kas imo is too predictable with his heavy macro style, and hence easily sniped. So I stuck with ThorZain.
Nerchio seems to be consistently getting pretty far, with impressive performances against top koreans at IEM and HSC. Vortix, too, has had recent success in WCS and TSL4.
I'm content with the current polling, though, which has ThorZain, Nerchio, and Grubby.
On September 18 2012 08:14 hootsushi wrote: Voted EU VortiX, Thorzain and Grubby for racial balance NA: Sen & Sheth
Forget racial balance! Haha. Foreigners have great zergs at the moment, I chose mostly zerg. Scarlett + Sen, Vortix, Nerchio and then Lucifron sort of on a whim. I did debate between him, Thorzain and Grubby for a little bit, but recent results always get me. I would honestly like to see Thorzain or Grubby there to.
Bah! I want to see all of them vs all of them =P
That's a hyperbole, since we have plenty of good protoss as well (And if we look besides Stephano, and most recently Nerchio, the toss players have had better results). Naniwa, SaSe, Mana, Grubby, HuK, NightEnd are IMO all able to take game off koreans.
if only there was a separate poll for Asia... even though i doubt there are any chinese viewers for ignproleague, IPL haven't thought this one through...
Stephano is already on there, so I made a point of avoiding other EG players like IdrA/ThorZaIN. I think it's more fun and representative of the 'world' if all 7 players are from different teams (same for korea, whatever that team ends up being). Though it'll depend on their performance in the qualifying bracket at the end of the day, I guess.
IPL used to maintain a power rank for players. Why not just update it and go down that list and invite foreigners? Seems much more objective than this popularity contest. I mean, HuK really getting that many votes? All he does is play League of Legends now. Even TT1 beat him at WCS Canada.
Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
We can lend you some player from EU.
Sounds fair. Voting for EU was rough. Luciforn/Vortix/Nerchio/MaNa and a few others could represent extremely well.
Then Grubby, BabyKnight, and finally Lucifron. Love me my wc3 god, the ex dota player and he impressed me a lot at ecstatic, and finally the best non Korean Terran.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
Nonono, I was just talking about the top two in terms of votes. Scarlett is where she should be but Idra doesn't deserve it over some other players.
please guys please make lucifron and thorzain go through, we need more terrans !!! Boring to only see zerg and protoss (who are dominating terran right now) bring terrans!
It's really cool that people are voting for the players that deserve it and not just the ones they like. Eu: Thorzain,Nerchio and Grubby NA: Scarlett and Huk, so hard choosing between him and Idra.
Man, these votes are tough. There are always more players I want to vote in than I have votes.
Europe: Voted Nerchio because he's on fire; Grubby because he's always improving and deserves some recognition for always being that solid; and White-Ra because, even if he's not top-tier the way he used to be, in a best-of-1 teamleague format he could make an excellent sniper with a chance of taking down anyone. Wish I could've given my votes to ThorZain and VortiX because both have shown themselves to be top-tier players, but ultimately, I decided I'd rather have the other team in a world championship group.
Not-Europe: Voted MajOr and Illusion because the World team is going to need some Terran representation, and both have been quite solid recently. For runner-ups, I'd go with Scarlett (she's been dominating lately, but there are already going to be better Zergs on the team) and... I dunno, maybe QXC because I'd love to see a repeat Bandana Terran All-Kill.
On September 18 2012 09:35 sertas wrote: please guys please make lucifron and thorzain go through, we need more terrans !!! Boring to only see zerg and protoss (who are dominating terran right now) bring terrans!
Unfortunately if the goal is to beat the Koreans then there's no point in having any foreign terrans on the team. The optimal team for beating a Korean all-star team in a Bo7 would be
Stephano Naniwa Nerchio Mana or Sase <insert favorite EU patchzerg> Scarlett Sen
On September 18 2012 09:35 sertas wrote: please guys please make lucifron and thorzain go through, we need more terrans !!! Boring to only see zerg and protoss (who are dominating terran right now) bring terrans!
Unfortunately if the goal is to beat the Koreans then there's no point in having any foreign terrans on the team. The optimal team for beating a Korean all-star team in a Bo7 would be
Stephano Naniwa Nerchio Mana or Sase <insert favorite EU patchzerg> Scarlett Sen
Which is to say, beyond Stephano and Naniwa and maybe Nerchio/MaNa it doesn't actually matter who goes.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
Nonono, I was just talking about the top two in terms of votes. Scarlett is where she should be but Idra doesn't deserve it over some other players.
Yeah, the 3rd place finisher at WCS NA clearly doesn't deserve to be 1 of 16 players representing NA.
On September 18 2012 09:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Please not Idra... he shouldn't be in the running. Hes not bad but he hasn't shown us any reason to be a big representative. Scarlett, however, totally deserves to win, so good job there, voters.
Then NA should only have 1 person to vote for? lolwut.
We can lend them some player from EU.
People want to see IdrA play vs. Koreans whether he's able to compete at this level / not. The sad thing is, I know that a lot of people just want to see him fail so they get to gloat over it afterwards.
Voted for MajOr and IdrA ! Lastshadow doesn't even play SC2 anymore as far as I know yet is in the list... Anyways, best of luck to all the participants, I would personally really like to see Major compete in this event, don't really care for anyone else.
Sigh... I'd rather have Coach Artosis and Assistent Coaches Day[9] and dApollo pick the world team for the best chance to beat the Koreans. Oh well. I hope people vote with their heads, not their hearts. The team needs to be balanced in terms of race, can't have all being Zerg or Protoss. Also not too distant past achievements versus Koreans should be taken into account.
Remember guys! By reading some comments I can notice a deatil many are missing: We can only vote for three, BUT TOP 16 from EACH poll duke it out on a 16-man bracket! So at the very end, it will be up to them if they go or not! This is so much fun
It's insanely close between Lucifron and Nerchio for third most popular after Grubby and Thorzain. Within 50 votes right now.
On September 18 2012 10:40 alukarD wrote: Remember guys! By reading some comments I can notice a deatil many are missing: We can only vote for three, BUT TOP 16 from EACH poll duke it out on a 16-man bracket! So at the very end, it will be up to them if they go or not! This is so much fun
OH SICK THIS IS THE MOST FANTASTIC THING I'VE HEARD!
Edit2: In that case people REALLY need to show TT1 some love. He's a good player, got a pretty shitty bracket at WCS NA (first round Suppyy, second round Ostojiy), but he still top 16ed NASL, that's gotta count for somethng. I'm not saying he'd be my first pick in there but he and Ostojiy shuold--
OH MY GOD OSTOJIY HAS ONLY 21 VOTES!? That's fucked up.
Alright forget TT1 for now (though, yes, you should vote for him 36 votes is embarassingly low).
Ostojiy placed second at WCS Canada and was the only player to take a map off of scarlett.
In WCS NA His first round was against HuK.
He lost. Oh well, time to beat up some mexicans in the loser's bracket right? Nope. He was against TT1, one of Canada's finest protoss who had just fallen due to Suppy. So he beat him, and TT1 went home and Canadians mourned the bracket luck. He then 6-0ed the rest of his opposition: Fitzy, Hawk and Ranged before falling to the Mexican superstar Major for a top 8 finish and a seed in the global championship.
He has 21 votes.
VOTE OSTOJIY AND TT1
Edit 3: Oh, and Moonglade, isn't he the Australian Champ?
On September 18 2012 11:40 SimDawg wrote: Is Scarlett actually any good or what? I remember she beat some B team Korean in the last IPL but has she done anything since?
Winning Canadian and the NA continental WCS barely losing any maps. Yea Ill said she is pretty damn good
On September 18 2012 11:40 SimDawg wrote: Is Scarlett actually any good or what? I remember she beat some B team Korean in the last IPL but has she done anything since?
Best NA player. Crushed both WCS Canada and WCS NA. We haven't seen many games of her against top Koreans though.
On September 18 2012 11:40 SimDawg wrote: Is Scarlett actually any good or what? I remember she beat some B team Korean in the last IPL but has she done anything since?
She won WCS Canada and NA, then beat Hero in a best of 3. People are all up on that band wagon now.
It's really annoying to get obnoxious, sanctimonious lectures about voting for "people who can win" coupled with the idea, implied or explicit, that we shouldn't vote for IdrA.
Time for IdrA, HuK, T funk, Nerdchio, and Demuslim to tear it up. Also, I agree with Matt, a member of Mensa and well known sexually attractive man. IdrA is without a doubt top 2 NA with notable wins over koreans like MKP, Shuttle, First, and Icecream. Don't let the anti-fan that lies within you overtake you. FYI IdrA destroyed Major at WCS. SUP?
On September 18 2012 10:27 Proseat wrote: Sigh... I'd rather have Coach Artosis and Assistent Coaches Day[9] and dApollo pick the world team for the best chance to beat the Koreans. Oh well. I hope people vote with their heads, not their hearts. The team needs to be balanced in terms of race, can't have all being Zerg or Protoss. Also not too distant past achievements versus Koreans should be taken into account.
It would never work to have Artosis/Day9/Apollo to pick the world team, they're casters, they can't be seen taking clear and explicit favorites in selecting particular players as "the best."
On September 18 2012 11:43 UHF wrote: Would love to see some of the SEA players get a few more votes so we have some representation in this qualifier! We severly lack voting power.
Canada and SEA band together!
I'll give you votes for Moonglade and Sen in exchange for Ostojiy and TT1
On September 18 2012 11:43 UHF wrote: Would love to see some of the SEA players get a few more votes so we have some representation in this qualifier! We severly lack voting power.
Canada and SEA band together!
I'll give you votes for Moonglade and Sen in exchange for Ostojiy and TT1
that doesn't work since everyone gets 2 votes each.
On September 18 2012 11:43 UHF wrote: Would love to see some of the SEA players get a few more votes so we have some representation in this qualifier! We severly lack voting power.
Canada and SEA band together!
I'll give you votes for Moonglade and Sen in exchange for Ostojiy and TT1
that doesn't work since everyone gets 2 votes each.
On September 18 2012 11:58 PandaMonk wrote: Time for IdrA, HuK, T funk, Nerdchio, and Demuslim to tear it up. Also, I agree with Matt, a member of Mensa and well known sexually attractive man. IdrA is without a doubt top 2 NA with notable wins over koreans like MKP, Shuttle, First, and Icecream. Don't let the anti-fan that lies within you overtake you. FYI IdrA destroyed Major at WCS. SUP?
Thank you for calling him T-Funk. It's what he is referred to exclusively amongst members of the team, and I wish it would catch on.
On September 18 2012 11:43 UHF wrote: Would love to see some of the SEA players get a few more votes so we have some representation in this qualifier! We severly lack voting power.
Canada and SEA band together!
I'll give you votes for Moonglade and Sen in exchange for Ostojiy and TT1
My favorite part of reading through this thread is seeing just how few people actually read the original post. It's quite sad. There are SO many people complaining about how it's just a popularity contest picking the top 5, it takes no skill blah blah blah. That's why the voting only picks the invites to a tournament to see who gets to play -_-
Not sure if Grubby is the most skilled of the EU tosses but you can be sure he won't choke in an important game, he has a ton of experience and he has shown several times that he can beat Korean pros. Nerchio is an obvious pick. I wanted to chose a Terran for the third spot and Thorzain is clearly cursed
Scarlett seems to be the best NA player by far atm, so that's an easy pick. Sen may still be super good but I haven't seen him play for over a year. Sheth does poorly against Koreans most of the time and Idra and Huk are in terrible shape. Major > Illusion imo, so that's that.
On September 18 2012 10:27 Proseat wrote: Sigh... I'd rather have Coach Artosis and Assistent Coaches Day[9] and dApollo pick the world team for the best chance to beat the Koreans. Oh well. I hope people vote with their heads, not their hearts. The team needs to be balanced in terms of race, can't have all being Zerg or Protoss. Also not too distant past achievements versus Koreans should be taken into account.
It would never work to have Artosis/Day9/Apollo to pick the world team, they're casters, they can't be seen taking clear and explicit favorites in selecting particular players as "the best."
Agree completely. DayNine would probably pick lastshadow or someone equally terrible and the koreans would own us again. Just kidding I love DayNine. But seriously, I hope that the voting thing decides who goes (it won't be me but maybe Scarlett and someone else will have a good shot). Go team foreigners!
I actually wish EmpireHappy would be able to go. He's a complete monster in online tournaments and on ladder but just hasn't proved himself in offline events yet.
If people want to do this tactically then they should bear in mind that the world team will need some vZ snipers to deal with DRG. He's probably the only zerg they'll face but Nani and Stephano stand a decent chance of taking down any non-zerg, so we should focus on giving them someone to finish it off.
People don't realize that the players who get the most votes have to face each other in a tournament to earn a spot on the GSL World Championship. So don't worry, Idra very probably won't participate in the GSL World Championship.
So, the 16 players who win the contest play out the spots right?
Because it honestly gives me chills thinking we vote to send out TLO,Idra or Grubby against the Koreans and certainly not the good kind. I am sorry that this has to sound so disrespectful.
Please don't vote for the popular people but for those ones, who have a good chance of winning the damn thing, .
EU: nerchio/vortix/monchi (monchi to take out mvp ^^, or because as a patriot i gotta give the austrian guy credits, choose yourself) NA: scarlett/major
Altough if there was no monchi i would go for mana
Scarlett: Don't have to really address this. She is the best NA player.
IdrA: He's getting out of his slump and he'll be very practiced by the time this tournament comes around. His ZvZ is lacking but hes shown signs of dominance in TvZ (taking out tons of Terrans at Raleigh and playing a close close series with Taeja at ASUS) and even TvP (taking out First pretty convincingly at Raleigh).
Didn't go for huge personal favourites, I went with the people who deserved but weren't getting huge votes, so Insur and Vibe for NA, BabyKnight, Mana and SortOf for EU. And you should too ^+^
Right now it seems that anyone over 1% votes will get through to the Ro16 elims in NA as that is only 12 people, and the same is true for EU but its exactly 16 people with over 1% votes.
Idra repeatedly said that it is a fucking video game (using his own words), not a popularity contest. Now he has been proven wrong, yet he is doing pretty well
Popularity-contests don't make the strongest team. It would be a real shame if there is no room for fraer, sortof & feast in the qualification tournament.
On September 18 2012 18:52 MBH wrote: So, the 16 players who win the contest play out the spots right?
Because it honestly gives me chills thinking we vote to send out TLO,Idra or Grubby against the Koreans and certainly not the good kind. I am sorry that this has to sound so disrespectful.
Please don't vote for the popular people but for those ones, who have a good chance of winning the damn thing, .
dont you think grubbys good? not in a fanboy way, but objectively, ive always felt that he was pretty fast for a foreigner, and he seems pretty smart although i guess he doesn't seem to win much, so your probably right
anyway,major/axslav for na and lucifron, vortix and grubby for eu
On September 18 2012 18:52 MBH wrote: So, the 16 players who win the contest play out the spots right?
Because it honestly gives me chills thinking we vote to send out TLO,Idra or Grubby against the Koreans and certainly not the good kind. I am sorry that this has to sound so disrespectful.
Please don't vote for the popular people but for those ones, who have a good chance of winning the damn thing, .
dont you think grubbys good? not in a fanboy way, but objectively, ive always felt that he was pretty fast for a foreigner, and he seems pretty smart although i guess he doesn't seem to win much, so your probably right
anyway,major/axslav for na and lucifron, vortix and grubby for eu
Grubby is probably the most intelligent guy currently in eSports.
On September 18 2012 19:53 sam05396 wrote: i dont think this is a good way to decide, it is obvious that huk and idra will just win the vote, when probably major and scarlet deserve the spots.
Even though its already written in bold in the op. I'm curious if we could get some type of extra emphasis on the top 16 voted playing a tournament. To decide who will represent team USA.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Mlex wrote: Not voting for Scarlett in NA should make your vote invalid.
People like myself were going to vote Scarlett until we take into account she is going to suck up a lot of votes. Since the votes are about nominating 16 players in round robin format to move on into the World Championship our Scarlett votes would be better off used on someone else.
I ended up voting Moonglade and Tgun. Tgun's win over Creator who has been dominating top level zergs before they crossed paths is very impressive.
Moonglade simply has been solid. At first I was thinking of Major but Moonglade has had better overall results and I think tgun is on a big enough upswing I would be willing to give him a chance. With the the top picks currently being
Scarlett Idra Sen Major Sheth Huk
Moonglade is practically tied with other people for the last slot(s) and tgun has no chance of squeezing in. Hopefully votes like mine help Moonglade.
Nerchio should be pretty obvious. I'd like to see Lucifron or Mana just because they're not zergs. But I guess there's atleast 3-4 zerg's on their level.
I went Huk and Scarlett for NA. (Yeah, I'm a Canada Fanboy) I think Scarlett needs to prove herself against more Koreans to earn the praise she is currently getting, and as for Huk, I'm still just hoping for a comeback. Results lately aren't great but when he is on his game he is able to beat mostly everyone else.
For EU I chose Thorzain, Nerchio and Vortix. Thorzain because he is awesome, Vortix because he deserves more notice after WCS EU, especially being the only one to take a set off Stephano, and Nerchio because after he beat Taeja last night he has clearly proven he can compete with top Korean players.
Those are my thoughts, understand most of you won't agree I believe that those 5 were truly the best option for deserving it and being able to succeed in it.
On September 18 2012 20:06 ZachFreeman wrote: By looking at the list of most voted players it doesn't look like world all stars have a chance..
They might not have much of a chance, but the voting looks fine to me. Everyone potentially competitive in the NA/SEA poll is in the top 16 currently. EU has more than 16 strong players, so some were going to be left out regardless, but it looks mostly good too. Some of the new zergs are probably playing better than TLO and Ret, but other than that it looks ok.
On September 18 2012 07:46 Mlex wrote: Not voting for Scarlett in NA should make your vote invalid.
I ended up voting Moonglade and Tgun. Tgun's win over Creator who has been dominating top level zergs before they crossed paths is very impressive.
Moonglade simply has been solid. At first I was thinking of Major but Moonglade has had better overall results and I think tgun is on a big enough upswing I would be willing to give him a chance.
On September 18 2012 21:19 JollYRoGeR wrote: SaSe, LucifroN, VortiX, ThorZaiN and Nerchio are obviously the best picks. Hard to choose just 3 of them though~
I picked ThorZaiN, LucifroN and Nerchio since I want more terrans!
I would put Grubby over Thorzain and SaSe both players haven't performed too well in the recent months and Grubby has never looked stronger. Though it's really tough to pick since their are so many good Europeans.
On September 18 2012 22:20 indxrje wrote: I don't see the point in all of the voting , they should just take the top 3(minus Stephano) from wcs euro and the top 2 from wcs north america
Rly? Lowely over Nerchio? I like both of them, but c'mon :p
On September 18 2012 22:35 Killcani wrote: I think its stupid that we are voting for who can play in the qualifier just let them all play and see who's the best.
On September 18 2012 22:35 Killcani wrote: I think its stupid that we are voting for who can play in the qualifier just let them all play and see who's the best.
Fan votes ensures more viewers. We all should've learened our lesson from American Idol by now.
This thread has made me realize how few people actually read the full OP's anymore... They even put the top 16 part in bold and no one read it. Anyway, go IdrA and Major!
I don't understand how Killer doesn't have at least a reasonable amount of votes, he's actually pretty solid and just won the SA WCS. Like, I'm a huge idra fan and all, but I still think he's far superior to him as well as huk at this point.
On September 18 2012 23:33 kebeh wrote: EU: Nerchio Vortix Luc NA/SA/SEA: Sen/Killer
I don't understand how Killer doesn't have at least a reasonable amount of votes, he's actually pretty solid and just won the SA WCS. Like, I'm a huge idra fan and all, but I still think he's far superior to him as well as huk at this point.
I agree. KiLLeR has been the most consistent player in the Americas, going to pretty much every IEM event and doing well in them (3rd at IEM NY was his best) and winning his WCS tournaments without dropping a set.
On September 18 2012 22:35 Killcani wrote: I think its stupid that we are voting for who can play in the qualifier just let them all play and see who's the best.
Yea, 1000 players. Great idea
Why ridicule this idea? Obviously you just make the cut at some reasonable point (e.g. 50 or 64) of the TLDP. The only thing IPL's system does "better" is to get rid of unpopular players (and open the door for voting manipulation). Lucifron and VortiX would have very low chances to get in, if it wasn't for last weekend.
Voted for the good ol' Sheth, Hukky, Sase, Lucifron, and Vortix as the new dark horse who should do really well at least if he gets a lot of zvz. That guy is really good at that match up.
On September 18 2012 22:22 Arcanne wrote: Another popularity contest vote for participation in a skill-based competition.
Scarlett and Illusion should be going.
RAHWAW IT IS SKILL BASED
TOP 16 IN VOTES GO TO BRACKET TO PLAY FOR SPOT. If they're the best they'll win the bracket!
Can a mod please put this in a header or something?
Seconded, it'd be really great if we could get everyone to see that. It would actually change the way some of us vote as well. Personally, seeing as how Scarlett already has 25% of the North American vote, I would have voted for TT1 and Ostojiy. See if we can get them above 50 votes today.
On September 18 2012 23:51 Rhaegar_tar wrote: I'd have loved to see a top 32 tourney between players from the rest of the world...pretty sure noone from NA would qualify.
Dude, they have that every 2 months and it's called Code S. Meanwhile there's this to see how the various SC2 scenes match up.
I voted for the Durans, ThorZaIN, IdrA, and qxc. I probably should have voted Nerchio instead of maybe Vortix, and since it's a showmatch, not IdrA, but w/e. I was surprised Scarlett got more votes than either HuK or IdrA.
A lot of this was influenced by very recent results, as one may perceive. qxc looked really good vs MMA in NASL, for one.
Demuslim Dimaga Grubby Happy (only 1% could change with Titan, Slivko, Bratok or Babyknight) HasuObs Kas Lucifron Mana Nerchio Ret Sase Socke Thorzain TLO Vortix Whitera
Why so much hate towards IdrA? He did end up third in WCS.NA which goes to show that he is still not irrelevant when gauging the strength of NA. It looks as if votes are cast somewhat fairly in NA, favoring players with good/fairly good results this past year.
There are other players scoring a ton of votes on their popularity and their past, most visibly TLO (6%) and White-Ra (7%)* in Europe, considering how lacking their results have been this past year. * In his defence it should be mentioned that he did get second place in WCS.Ukraine, which is not a bad feat, but overall he is clearly not top 5 EU toss.
Ninja-edit: StarVe pointed out that White-ra didn't win WCS Ukraine, my bad :-(.
On September 19 2012 00:35 JKM wrote: Why so much hate towards IdrA? He did end up third in WCS.NA which goes to show that he is still not irrelevant when gauging the strength of NA. It looks as if votes are cast somewhat fairly in NA, favoring players with good/fairly good results this past year.
There are other players scoring a ton of votes on their popularity and their past, most visibly TLO (6%) and White-Ra (7%)* in Europe, considering how lacking their results have been this past year. * In his defence it should be mentioned that he did win WCS.Ukraine, which is not a bad feat, but overall he is clearly not top 5 EU toss.
WCS USA winner and 2nd place at WCS NA Vibe being so marginal for getting through to the round of 16 is painful, and I'm not even a fan of his, at all.
On September 19 2012 01:55 LunaSaint wrote: Just three picks? T_T Well no matter how much I want to pick Goody, smart picks are Vortix, Lucifron and Nerchio.
Great to involve the community like this! Voted Grubby and the Spanish Armada (Vortex+Lucitron) for Europe and Scarlett + Illusion for NA (that was hard, considering current shape most NA pros are in). Good job IGN!
MajOr and Sen for the International picks. Lucifron and Vortix for Europe.
I want one more protoss besides Naniwa but I can't decide between:
Mana, BabyKnight, Grubby, HasuObs, Socke, Titan, and Seiplo. I think Nerchio is probably better than all of them and more likely to beat a Korean but there are already 3 Zerg in my lineup.
I guess I will have to vote for..........
Seiplo. Grubby will get plenty of votes. The tournament will decide
On September 19 2012 02:22 NoGasfOu wrote: Not a fan of popularity contest. I thought there would be online qualifications.
It's a showmatch tournament so don't take it too serious to start with and in addition they have a small qualifier tournament between the 16 people getting the most votes.
On September 19 2012 01:42 StarStruck wrote: So many fanboys voting for guys who unlikely to go far. -__-
I voted for Scarlett and the other one was a toss up.
Decided to go with Major instead of ViBe, but I can see both of them doing some damage in such an invitational.
For Europe I went with Nerchio, MaNa and Lucifron. Got to have balance.
Well the 16 man tournament system balances it out really. Lets's face it, 16 players from NA is about a dozen more than we need, while 16 players from Europe is enough to encompass most of the players that have a fighting chance.
This is really exciting, love the concept! I hope all players involved will take this seriously. Voted Scarlett and IdrA for NA (couldn't help myself on the latter...) and Lucifron, Nerchio and Fraer for EU.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
He's always underrated whatever happens lol. I think he has to show more personality.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
On September 19 2012 05:05 BisuDagger wrote: EU: Bischu, Dimaga, Nerchio. Bischu is really good I'm not just biased.
NA: Gowser and Sheth. Gowser always plays amazing games. and Sheth is always a top NA.
edit: Huk/Idra winning this makes me sad. There are other/better choices.
umm thorzain, mana, vortix? umm scarlet and major?
I won't argue for EU choices, there are so many to choose from. Mana is amazing right now. And scarlet/major are better choices then Huk/Idra. So good votes from you. xD
On September 19 2012 05:01 Amestir wrote: Really sad that we get to vote for all the players. Would prefered if they picked like 4 orso, and let us vote on the other 3.
Did you read OP? they already pick 2, and we vote on the other 5, so not much different
On September 19 2012 05:01 Amestir wrote: Really sad that we get to vote for all the players. Would prefered if they picked like 4 orso, and let us vote on the other 3.
Did you read OP? they already pick 2, and we vote on the other 5, so not much different
Did YOU even read it? We don't pick the 5. We pick who get to take part in the tournament to make the 5... Seriously reading these posts make me sad. No one even has time to read the damn original post?
Voted only on 1 person, Grubby!!! There are too many other good options for other 2 spots, and didnt want grubby to lose it by margin of 1 vote to someone else i voted on
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
On September 19 2012 05:05 BisuDagger wrote: EU: Bischu, Dimaga, Nerchio. Bischu is really good I'm not just biased.
NA: Gowser and Sheth. Gowser always plays amazing games. and Sheth is always a top NA.
edit: Huk/Idra winning this makes me sad. There are other/better choices.
umm thorzain, mana, vortix? umm scarlet and major?
I won't argue for EU choices, there are so many to choose from. Mana is amazing right now. And scarlet/major are better choices then Huk/Idra. So good votes from you. xD
You do realize IdrA raped Major? In my opinion he has the best chance out of any US players to take on koreans on a good day..
On September 19 2012 05:05 BisuDagger wrote: EU: Bischu, Dimaga, Nerchio. Bischu is really good I'm not just biased.
NA: Gowser and Sheth. Gowser always plays amazing games. and Sheth is always a top NA.
edit: Huk/Idra winning this makes me sad. There are other/better choices.
umm thorzain, mana, vortix? umm scarlet and major?
I won't argue for EU choices, there are so many to choose from. Mana is amazing right now. And scarlet/major are better choices then Huk/Idra. So good votes from you. xD
You do realize IdrA raped Major? In my opinion he has the best chance out of any US players to take on koreans on a good day..
i dont remember idra raping major, and i also think major is a better player overall, even if i am an idra fan
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Am i missing something? don't the top 16 players play for the spot and the top 3 (or 2) get the spot? Why is everybody crying around about who gets the most votes, as if this would matter?
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
I don't really have a problem with placing Major and Scarlett up there with some of the best europeans, but Illusion, really? Based on what exactly..?
On September 19 2012 07:39 Hardigan wrote: Am i missing something? don't the top 16 players play for the spot and the top 3 (or 2) get the spot? Why is everybody crying around about who gets the most votes, as if this would matter?
i just read the OP again and you are right, thanks for the heads up
On September 19 2012 03:56 Proseat wrote: Will there be a vote on the coach as well?
As long as it isn't Artosis I'll be happy. Still hold him accountable for our loss waiting so long to put in the zergs against July, when everyone knew his weakness was ZvZ.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Yeah I have no idea where he's getting this from lol. So wrong
On September 19 2012 05:05 BisuDagger wrote: EU: Bischu, Dimaga, Nerchio. Bischu is really good I'm not just biased.
NA: Gowser and Sheth. Gowser always plays amazing games. and Sheth is always a top NA.
edit: Huk/Idra winning this makes me sad. There are other/better choices.
umm thorzain, mana, vortix? umm scarlet and major?
I won't argue for EU choices, there are so many to choose from. Mana is amazing right now. And scarlet/major are better choices then Huk/Idra. So good votes from you. xD
You do realize IdrA raped Major? In my opinion he has the best chance out of any US players to take on koreans on a good day..
i dont remember idra raping major, and i also think major is a better player overall, even if i am an idra fan
At WCS NA IdrA wrecked Major. The second game in particular he made Major look like a low masters player. He beat Illusion at both WCS USA and NA.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
That's not elitist, the hype train on Scarlett is going way to fast. She won 2 NA only tournaments and beat Hero in one series with latency.
Most of the WCS National tournaments were harder than WCS NA and the players are proven to be better.
Lets all be honest here, can we replace all the North Americans with more picks from Europe??
edit: no I'm not a european, I'm from Canada, I'd take anyone top 10 europe over the best play in north american. Idra/Scarlett? Come on guys, lets get serious here, lol, the only time they look good is when they play other north americans.
On September 19 2012 07:39 Hardigan wrote: Am i missing something? don't the top 16 players play for the spot and the top 3 (or 2) get the spot? Why is everybody crying around about who gets the most votes, as if this would matter?
Most people did not read the entire post (ignoring the bold parts).
The title of the Poll is also slightly misleading
"Choose three players to represent Europe in the GSL World Championship"
Should be something like
"Choose three players to play in a 16 man bracket to fight for one of 3 spots to represent Europe in the GSL World Championship"
On September 19 2012 12:02 EAGER-beaver wrote: Lets all be honest here, can we replace all the North Americans with more picks from Europe??
edit: no I'm not a european, I'm from Canada, I'd take anyone top 10 europe over the best play in north american. Idra/Scarlett? Come on guys, lets get serious here, lol, the only time they look good is when they play other north americans.
It's a showmatch. IPL is an NA organization, event is held in the US, viewership from NA will be significant, etc.
And of course, there are NA players than can take games off of top Koreans. Major has looked pretty solid recently, Scarlett has looked quite strong, and seemed a level above the rest of NA, Illusion has already beaten multiple Code S level players in LANS, etc.
I for one would love to see Illusion to play in this showmatch.
Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
tgun is fucking talented and I want him to get Top 16 because he's a hard working guy who deserves a chance to make an impact.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
tgun is fucking talented and I want him to get Top 16 because he's a hard working guy who deserves a chance to make an impact.
Tgun is 121 votes away from breaking top 16, which would knock off Pig.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
tgun is fucking talented and I want him to get Top 16 because he's a hard working guy who deserves a chance to make an impact.
Tgun is 121 votes away from breaking top 16, which would knock off Pig.
You should vote for PiG too (he's Aussie!), but tbh since PiG has been to IEM and stuff I'd rather see tgun get the spot. I think tgun is a better player too, although PiG has his number in ZvZ.
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
tgun is fucking talented and I want him to get Top 16 because he's a hard working guy who deserves a chance to make an impact.
You just described more or less every single player in these polls...
On September 19 2012 14:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Why are people still voting for Sen, HuK, IdrA and Scarlett?
For gods sake people, they're already guaranteed a spot 100%. It's a complete waste of a vote. You're not affecting ANYTHING. Instead vote for someone like tgun who deserves to get Top 16 for this opportunity.
What are you talking about? Let people vote for whoever they want. If said person deserves a spot in the top 16, they will get it.
I'm saying if you vote for someone with thousands of votes, you're not affecting anything. You might as well flush the vote down the fucking toilet, because that's the level of importance it has.
then why should ppl vote for tgun, which is probably not even top 30 in terms of foreigners?
tgun is fucking talented and I want him to get Top 16 because he's a hard working guy who deserves a chance to make an impact.
You just described more or less every single player in these polls...
Not really. Most are already established names that have had multiple international opportunities, although I agree on the talented part.
On September 19 2012 05:05 BisuDagger wrote: EU: Bischu, Dimaga, Nerchio. Bischu is really good I'm not just biased.
NA: Gowser and Sheth. Gowser always plays amazing games. and Sheth is always a top NA.
edit: Huk/Idra winning this makes me sad. There are other/better choices.
umm thorzain, mana, vortix? umm scarlet and major?
I won't argue for EU choices, there are so many to choose from. Mana is amazing right now. And scarlet/major are better choices then Huk/Idra. So good votes from you. xD
You do realize IdrA raped Major? In my opinion he has the best chance out of any US players to take on koreans on a good day..
My problem with Idra is you could get the player who is good or you could get the player who doesn't care. I don't want him to get pissed at the Build Order the Korean chooses and just gg out really quick just because the results of this tournament don't mean anything to him. I would like players who will be really happy to go and will try really hard to put on a good show for us. Idra's attitude does not leave a good show. So I would not take the coinflip chance that we are sending someone who will show us a poor performance. And beating major doesn't make him our best chance lol. That's just one match up.
I am slightly confused at all this hype that Major is getting. I am not trying to be disrespectful to the fellow but his Liquipedia entry seems to show his achievements are coming 4th at WCS NA beating Huk along the way. And that's it for LAN results. He also won a qualifier to TSL4 and failed to qualify for Code A several times. Do people really expect him to face off successfully against the best from Korea? What am I missing? Surely Vibe has achieved more?
NB. I see he beat Catz and Killer (twice) in a Blizzard Tournament for Latin America. That was over a year ago now though.
On September 19 2012 23:38 revel8 wrote: I am slightly confused at all this hype that Major is getting. I am not trying to be disrespectful to the fellow but his Liquipedia entry seems to show his achievements are coming 4th at WCS NA beating Huk along the way. And that's it for LAN results. He also won a qualifier to TSL4 and failed to qualify for Code A several times. Do people really expect him to face off successfully against the best from Korea? What am I missing? Surely Vibe has achieved more?
NB. I see he beat Catz and Killer (twice) in a Blizzard Tournament for Latin America. That was over a year ago now though.
Major has beaten Hyun in TSL (bo5), and made it to the finals of an NASL qualifier, beating some Koreans on the way. His play is very solid (he won the ace against Puma in the EG MCSL recently).
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
Guys, y u vote for sen ? I mean he litteraly vanished from the scene a long while ago and he's got no achievements whatsoever ( for the past year at least )
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
On September 19 2012 22:16 littlemozart7 wrote: wow. sen has overtaken idra huk and scarlett in terms of votes. the taiwanese fans showing their power!
Starcraft 2 is very popular in Taiwan, we have TAIWAN eSPORTS LEAGUE on TV every weekend. :D
On September 20 2012 02:13 GregMandel wrote: Guys, y u vote for sen ? I mean he litteraly vanished from the scene a long while ago and he's got no achievements whatsoever ( for the past year at least )
Or did I really miss something ?
He was in GSL season 1 this year and went back to Taiwan after that. I voted for him because I think he is one of the best two players on the list.
On September 20 2012 02:54 Zenbrez wrote: I'm amazed Sen is top 2 for votes. Barely gets any exposure.
Every time he does get exposure he puts up one hell of a fight against Koreans. NASL 1 finals he was the only one that made a fight, then at IPL4 qualifying tournament (that one with all the controversy with Gus(?)) he destroyed MC. And he consistently does well in NASL online.
I like how no one is still voting for killer, come on guys, at least put him in the top 16, He is the south american champion and all, and very consistent.
On September 20 2012 02:54 Zenbrez wrote: I'm amazed Sen is top 2 for votes. Barely gets any exposure.
Every time he does get exposure he puts up one hell of a fight against Koreans. NASL 1 finals he was the only one that made a fight, then at IPL4 qualifying tournament (that one with all the controversy with Gus(?)) he destroyed MC. And he consistently does well in NASL online.
I certainly agree he is very good, but I'm just surprised THIS many people recognize his skill, especially for a popularity vote. I'm not disappointed with Sen votes, just surprised
I like how no one is still voting for killer, come on guys, at least put him in the top 16, He is the south american champion and all, and very consistent.
I've only seen one match from Killer, and he had his infestors in the same control group as his main army. I cannot unjudge him.
On September 19 2012 23:38 revel8 wrote: I am slightly confused at all this hype that Major is getting. I am not trying to be disrespectful to the fellow but his Liquipedia entry seems to show his achievements are coming 4th at WCS NA beating Huk along the way. And that's it for LAN results. He also won a qualifier to TSL4 and failed to qualify for Code A several times. Do people really expect him to face off successfully against the best from Korea? What am I missing? Surely Vibe has achieved more?
NB. I see he beat Catz and Killer (twice) in a Blizzard Tournament for Latin America. That was over a year ago now though.
I agree. Major got 0 off-line achievements. No idea wtf is going on. Playing a few online tournaments really should be disregarded off-line all that matters if you want to rate a players abilities.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
Nothing other than going 12-1 in maps, winning WCS NA finals, suggesting she is the best NA player...
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
Nothing other than going 12-1 in maps, winning WCS NA finals, suggesting she is the best NA player...
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
You don't follow the scene much then. You could just watch her WCS NA run and see how far ahead of the scene she is. She can do big mistakes and still crush people, and if you do a mistake you're just dead. She's a very talented player in terms of mechanics and in terms of understanding the game.
Bratok because the world team needs that intimidation factor. We're playing the Koreans! Our team will be scared. But when the Koreans see Bratok staring them down as they enter the booth, THEY'LL be the ones quaking in their boots. Tell me I'm wrong!
Lucifron for his great series with Stephano.
Spoons.
Scarlett/Idra Obvious. Only other contender is Major.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
Nothing other than going 12-1 in maps, winning WCS NA finals, suggesting she is the best NA player...
inb4: "how is best NA player an achievement?"
It's an achievement, but it's an over rated achievement. Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Germany, Netherlands, China (probably, although they don't play often outside of China) and the combined Europe national tournaments were all of higher skill than WCS NA.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
You don't follow the scene much then. You could just watch her WCS NA run and see how far ahead of the scene she is. She can do big mistakes and still crush people, and if you do a mistake you're just dead. She's a very talented player in terms of mechanics and in terms of understanding the game.
I can ssure you i follow the scene but when you see that the second best player in NA is Vibe(no offense), her WCS run doesn't mean much.
Hopefully Idra and Huk start getting good results(Idra is on the way), but for now, the NA scene is pretty much far behind EU. NOt attending big lans for obscure reasons doesn't help her case neither.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
You don't follow the scene much then. You could just watch her WCS NA run and see how far ahead of the scene she is. She can do big mistakes and still crush people, and if you do a mistake you're just dead. She's a very talented player in terms of mechanics and in terms of understanding the game.
I can ssure you i follow the scene but when you see that the second best player in NA is Vibe(no offense), her WCS run doesn't mean much.
Hopefully Idra and Huk start getting good results(Idra is on the way), but for now, the NA scene is pretty much far behind EU. NOt attending big lans for obscure reasons doesn't help her case neither.
You have a point regarding Vibe being the runner up, but I do believe Scarlett is a fantastic player and I would pick her as the favourite against many europeans. You'll see her in DH this weekend.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
You don't follow the scene much then. You could just watch her WCS NA run and see how far ahead of the scene she is. She can do big mistakes and still crush people, and if you do a mistake you're just dead. She's a very talented player in terms of mechanics and in terms of understanding the game.
I can ssure you i follow the scene but when you see that the second best player in NA is Vibe(no offense), her WCS run doesn't mean much.
Hopefully Idra and Huk start getting good results(Idra is on the way), but for now, the NA scene is pretty much far behind EU. NOt attending big lans for obscure reasons doesn't help her case neither.
You have a point regarding Vibe being the runner up, but I do believe Scarlett is a fantastic player and I would pick her as the favourite against many europeans. You'll see her in DH this weekend.
On September 19 2012 04:04 ArcticRaven wrote: Why in hell are those limited by region ? The foreigner team would be so much stronger without the NA players :/
3 against 5 incoming, I don't like that D:
Edit : and also why is ViBE so damn low ? Isn't he supposed to be, like, the WCS runner up for NA ?
No it wouldn't. Scarlett, Major, Illusion, and other NA players are just as strong as the European representatives. If it was all Europeans it wouldn't be GSL vs the world it would be GSL vs Europe.
No, Scarlett, Major, Illusion are far below people like Nerchio, Lucifron, Vortix, Grubby SortOf, Slivko, Kas, Mana and few others.
Typical European elitist response. There's little to no difference between them. I'd pick major and Scarlett to beat all except the first three on your list, and even then it would be close.
Goody beat MMA not a long ago, Demuslim beat Nestea...foreigners can beat koreans(especially with latency) on a few occasions...
Scarlett hasn't done anything to suggest that she's uo there, especially since she seems to be avoiding all major events...she's probably all satisfied with the huge undeserved hype she's getting from guys like you smh.
You don't follow the scene much then. You could just watch her WCS NA run and see how far ahead of the scene she is. She can do big mistakes and still crush people, and if you do a mistake you're just dead. She's a very talented player in terms of mechanics and in terms of understanding the game.
I can ssure you i follow the scene but when you see that the second best player in NA is Vibe(no offense), her WCS run doesn't mean much.
Hopefully Idra and Huk start getting good results(Idra is on the way), but for now, the NA scene is pretty much far behind EU. NOt attending big lans for obscure reasons doesn't help her case neither.
You have a point regarding Vibe being the runner up, but I do believe Scarlett is a fantastic player and I would pick her as the favourite against many europeans. You'll see her in DH this weekend.
On September 20 2012 02:13 GregMandel wrote: Guys, y u vote for sen ? I mean he litteraly vanished from the scene a long while ago and he's got no achievements whatsoever ( for the past year at least )
Or did I really miss something ?
He was in GSL season 1 this year and went back to Taiwan after that. I voted for him because I think he is one of the best two players on the list.
Sen won 2-0 against SlayersMMA, and won 4-0 against GhostKingPrime. This year he only attended few big event because he had matches of TeSL every week. Sen is still very strong, maybe more strong than last year!! :D
On September 20 2012 12:54 Yip12343 wrote: Why is this done based on popularity? This is probably the least best thing you could do for this, Gj ruining it.
because they want people to watch it, it just so happens in this case that the best players are also the most popular, so I don't see your problem tbh
I think eu top 16 looks really good. Ofc skillwise Titan, SortOf and BabyK, maybe Happy should make the cut, but TLO, White-Ra are obv big fan favourites. I hope they wont make it out of the bracket, so we can have a good representation for the world team.
On September 20 2012 12:54 Yip12343 wrote: Why is this done based on popularity? This is probably the least best thing you could do for this, Gj ruining it.
Dude there is 16 freaking players being picked on popularity and then they will have to fight it out for the spots. Its not like the two most popular get the spots automatically. 16 players is quiet a lot because i doubt there will be 16 ppl who are really good and missed out because everyone voted for 16 more popular players.
Sase is the guy who seems to be able to make it through qualifiers of whatever tournament no matter whoever he faces. I remember more than one tournament where he was the only foreigner left after the qualifiers. I've always thought Sase is quite a talented and a good player so I would love to see him in this as well. No idea of his current status though.
On September 21 2012 02:52 Kilby wrote: Sase is the guy who seems to be able to make it through qualifiers of whatever tournament no matter whoever he faces. I remember more than one tournament where he was the only foreigner left after the qualifiers. I've always thought Sase is quite a talented and a good player so I would love to see him in this as well. No idea of his current status though.
For anyone interested, I'll be doing the Rock n' Roll half marathon that Sunday the 2nd after attending these games, I'd love to have some people to run with! NANIWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to those who suggest this is solely a popularity contest, i would think the top5 from each region have definately made the top16 overall for the qualifier tournaments. anywho, on with the ....
DAILY CURRENT RANKINGS
EU: - whitera and lucifron swap spots at 4 and 5 - ret and demuslim swap spots 8 and 9 - mana, dimaga and kas all up one spot to 10-12th - snute drops down to 13th - slivko jumps from 21st into top 16 knocking socke down to 17th, 23 votes behind 16th place hasuobs + Show Spoiler +
NA/SEA/SA: - sen still has commanding lead over scarlett for 1st - suppy and qxc swap places at 8th and 9th - pig still leads killer and minigun for 16th + Show Spoiler +
On September 21 2012 09:47 bahunto28 wrote: to those who suggest this is solely a popularity contest, i would think the top5 from each region have definately made the top16 overall for the qualifier tournaments. anywho, on with the ....
DAILY CURRENT RANKINGS
EU: - whitera and lucifron swap spots at 4 and 5 - ret and demuslim swap spots 8 and 9 - mana, dimaga and kas all up one spot to 10-12th - snute drops down to 13th - slivko jumps from 21st into top 16 knocking socke down to 17th, 23 votes behind 16th place hasuobs + Show Spoiler +
NA/SEA/SA: - sen still has commanding lead over scarlett for 1st - suppy and qxc swap places at 8th and 9th - pig still leads killer and minigun for 16th + Show Spoiler +
I have to disagree with you there. Ostojiy is likely top five NA after Scarlett Vibe Idra and Major. If the poll question had been asked better the poll may have even reflected that.
On September 21 2012 09:47 bahunto28 wrote: to those who suggest this is solely a popularity contest, i would think the top5 from each region have definately made the top16 overall for the qualifier tournaments. anywho, on with the ....
DAILY CURRENT RANKINGS
EU: - whitera and lucifron swap spots at 4 and 5 - ret and demuslim swap spots 8 and 9 - mana, dimaga and kas all up one spot to 10-12th - snute drops down to 13th - slivko jumps from 21st into top 16 knocking socke down to 17th, 23 votes behind 16th place hasuobs + Show Spoiler +
NA/SEA/SA: - sen still has commanding lead over scarlett for 1st - suppy and qxc swap places at 8th and 9th - pig still leads killer and minigun for 16th + Show Spoiler +
I have to disagree with you there. Ostojiy is likely top five NA after Scarlett Vibe Idra and Major. If the poll question had been asked better the poll may have even reflected that.
agreed. i will admit that i am wrong. Ostojiy has been playing very well recently with tourney results to boot and should have received more love. Bly too for that matter. so i guess one could say, the deserving players are "mostly" represented in the top 16.
The Aussies got a hard draw. PiG gets probably the greatest foreign ZvZer in Sen, and win or lose we either have a countrykill with his fellow Aussie mOOnGLaDe or GLaDe has to face Sen. Sen isn't unbeatable to either of them, but by god is he the toughest opponent they possibly could have been given.
On September 27 2012 03:35 Noam wrote: Its the nature of a popularity contest. The best players from each country will meet in Blizzard's WCS.
Maybe, but for the most part the popular players are also the best players. Also, it is us, the community, the stream, viewers who are e-sports, or at least so we are told time and time again. I think it is alright for this to be a competition between fan-favorites (and most of them the best players), while WCS and those other awesome tournament decide who really is the best
On September 27 2012 03:35 Noam wrote: Its the nature of a popularity contest. The best players from each country will meet in Blizzard's WCS.
Maybe, but for the most part the popular players are also the best players. Also, it is us, the community, the stream, viewers who are e-sports, or at least so we are told time and time again. I think it is alright for this to be a competition between fan-favorites (and most of them the best players), while WCS and those other awesome tournament decide who really is the best
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with a competition for fan favorites. For example the NBA's AllStar weekend is one of the most entertaining events in all of sports imo. But no one is suggesting that the winning team there is the best team, right? We got the actual playoffs for that.
So there is also nothing wrong with this tournament (except for its name - call it the GSL World AllStars instead..), its a competition for fan favorites and as soon as people understand it they can start enjoying it for what it is instead of complaining about it
As I said earlier, for finding out the best - we got the actual World Championship Series or GSL Code S for that.
On September 27 2012 18:15 GettingIt wrote: How come the top 3 Europeans, and top 2 Others still have to play in the 16man tournament? Are they not already qualified?
Please read the topic, think a little bit and then write again
On September 27 2012 18:15 GettingIt wrote: How come the top 3 Europeans, and top 2 Others still have to play in the 16man tournament? Are they not already qualified?
Please read the topic, think a little bit and then write again
The lineups actually turned out really well. Most good players (except some, but since it's only 16 players, not everybody can play anyway) are there. Nice!
Is this Bo3 single elim? Imo they should do double elim to get the more likely 3 best players, without too much (bracket) luck.
read the OP and it is single elim :/ Hoping for Nerchio and Lucifron + a strong third. But with this format I fear one of Nerchio or Lucifron won't make it.
On September 27 2012 18:15 GettingIt wrote: How come the top 3 Europeans, and top 2 Others still have to play in the 16man tournament? Are they not already qualified?
Please read the topic, think a little bit and then write again
EU: Nerchio, Grubby (wild-card), and Lucifron (brutal yet intelligent play)
NA: Scarlett, Sen
The EG players are overrated imo. Even though I picked Idra, he still has a less-than stellar sense of unit positioning, and Thorzain/DeMuslim is decent but not top tier.
can someone explain to me why sen has 23% of the votes of the "rest of the world" voting? he barely even participates in foreign tournaments anymore (and yet he is in top 5 tlpd somehow...) I sometimes really don't get this community but he's a great player don't get me wrong I just wonder why he has so many fans in the foreign scene
Holy crap that is a hard bracket for NonY, Sen should get in with that bracket.
does nony even play professionally anymore (with his depression and stuff?) I don't think he would have a chance to make it through any bracket tbh
edit: quite a good bracket for scarlett tbh just major in her bracket that can really challenge her imo (vibe, qxc(he does crazy shit sometimes which can be hard to deal with so its easy to lose to him in a bo3) sen and sheth all on the other side of the bracket)
On September 30 2012 07:38 sVnteen wrote: can someone explain to me why sen has 23% of the votes of the "rest of the world" voting? he barely even participates in foreign tournaments anymore (and yet he is in top 5 tlpd somehow...) I sometimes really don't get this community but he's a great player don't get me wrong I just wonder why he has so many fans in the foreign scene
On September 30 2012 07:38 sVnteen wrote: can someone explain to me why sen has 23% of the votes of the "rest of the world" voting? he barely even participates in foreign tournaments anymore (and yet he is in top 5 tlpd somehow...) I sometimes really don't get this community but he's a great player don't get me wrong I just wonder why he has so many fans in the foreign scene
On September 30 2012 07:38 sVnteen wrote: can someone explain to me why sen has 23% of the votes of the "rest of the world" voting? he barely even participates in foreign tournaments anymore (and yet he is in top 5 tlpd somehow...) I sometimes really don't get this community but he's a great player don't get me wrong I just wonder why he has so many fans in the foreign scene
Sen has been around for a long time since BW, he doesn't participate in foreign tournaments that much but he practices a lot in Taiwan I believe. He does well in NASL too I believe(haven't followed his games too much in NASL) He did beat Stephano recently too.
On October 02 2012 08:47 rrwrwx wrote: What's going on with HayprO? He retired, but is he playing in this regardless?
It should be obvious that he isn't playing, and the poll was made before he announced retirement.
I only asked because he won a Satellite Qualifier, and he is still listed under participating players. So, it's obvious that he retired, but this issues is yet unresolved.
So, the whole tyler thing is blowing up in his fanclub. Not really sure why it's taking place there when it should take place here. Tyler is really making himself look pretty immature lashing out like that and asking his fans to boycott gsl, when it's his fault entirely.
1. His opponent has been known for a while since the bracket has been public for a while. He's playing major.
2. Sheth has no problem playing his match in this tournament and has the same manager.
3. Tyler is a pro gamer who doesn't practice and has said that repeatedly, so how can he be so busy that he can't schedule a match within the 7 day period allowed? What does he do all day besides not practicing? 7 days is a long time to schedule a match.
4. The way tyler has acted is very unbecoming of a liquid member, but as usual when tyler has these outbursts, like rage quitting nasl games or rage quitting a bo3 after losing the 1st game, nazgul will turn a blind eye and do nothing since tyler has tenure and is untouchable.
5. Almost any other pro having an outburst like this, pitchforks would be out and people would be emailing sponsors, but tyler is lucky he's built such a large fanbase from bw, so he's bulletproof.
6. Calling for his fans to boycott gsl over something that isn't even their fault is a really reckless thing to do and spiteful to a company that has been nothing but great to the foreign community.
On October 04 2012 18:15 Canucklehead wrote: So, the whole tyler thing is blowing up in his fanclub. Not really sure why it's taking place there when it should take place here. Tyler is really making himself look pretty immature lashing out like that and asking his fans to boycott gsl, when it's his fault entirely.
1. His opponent has been known for a while since the bracket has been public for a while. He's playing major.
2. Sheth has no problem playing his match in this tournament and has the same manager.
3. Tyler is a pro gamer who doesn't practice and has said that repeatedly, so how can he be so busy that he can't schedule a match within the 7 day period allowed? What does he do all day besides not practicing? 7 days is a long time to schedule a match.
4. The way tyler has acted is very unbecoming of a liquid member, but as usual when tyler has these outbursts, like rage quitting nasl games or rage quitting a bo3 after losing the 1st game, nazgul will turn a blind eye and do nothing since tyler has tenure and is untouchable.
5. Almost any other pro having an outburst like this, pitchforks would be out and people would be emailing sponsors, but tyler is lucky he's built such a large fanbase from bw, so he's bulletproof.
6. Calling for his fans to boycott gsl over something that isn't even their fault is a really reckless thing to do and spiteful to a company that has been nothing but great to the foreign community.
I am glad you have all the details and know everyone schedule and practice hours. That is extremely helpful.
Tyler does get angry and wouldn't you be pissed if you were trying to get something scheduled and it wasn't working out so they just replace you.
On October 04 2012 18:15 Canucklehead wrote: So, the whole tyler thing is blowing up in his fanclub. Not really sure why it's taking place there when it should take place here. Tyler is really making himself look pretty immature lashing out like that and asking his fans to boycott gsl, when it's his fault entirely.
1. His opponent has been known for a while since the bracket has been public for a while. He's playing major.
2. Sheth has no problem playing his match in this tournament and has the same manager.
3. Tyler is a pro gamer who doesn't practice and has said that repeatedly, so how can he be so busy that he can't schedule a match within the 7 day period allowed? What does he do all day besides not practicing? 7 days is a long time to schedule a match.
4. The way tyler has acted is very unbecoming of a liquid member, but as usual when tyler has these outbursts, like rage quitting nasl games or rage quitting a bo3 after losing the 1st game, nazgul will turn a blind eye and do nothing since tyler has tenure and is untouchable.
5. Almost any other pro having an outburst like this, pitchforks would be out and people would be emailing sponsors, but tyler is lucky he's built such a large fanbase from bw, so he's bulletproof.
6. Calling for his fans to boycott gsl over something that isn't even their fault is a really reckless thing to do and spiteful to a company that has been nothing but great to the foreign community.
I am glad you have all the details and know everyone schedule and practice hours. That is extremely helpful.
Tyler does get angry and wouldn't you be pissed if you were trying to get something scheduled and it wasn't working out so they just replace you.
yeah, but you wouldn't go and bullcrap all over the premier sc2 tournament as well as some other community members
On November 15 2012 10:09 Bupalumpa wrote: Plz someone explain GSL Word champion 7 foreign vs 5 Korean? Korea need 2 more players right?? Or i am seeing something wrong??
Miscommunication b/w IPL and Gom. It was supposed to be 5 all along, including stephano/naniwa. IPL thought it was 5+ stephano/naniwa. IPL cut 2 world spots, but since they told they players it would be 7, to make up for it, they granted the 2 extra world spots entry and paid flights into IPL 5, but they won't play in the gom vs world thing.
Winners of Sen/HuK and Scarlett/Major will join Vortix, Lucifron, Nerchio, Stephano, and Naniwa as the Foreigner representatives in the GSL World Championship. I think it's a pretty safe bet to say Sen will beat Huk and Scarlett will beat Major, giving us 5 Zergs, 1 Protoss, and 1 Terran.
Looking at how the list panned out, I couldn't imagine a better lineup of 7 players to represent the foreigner scene. The initial fan voting was a popularity contest, yes, and a handful of skilled players were left out, but the best of the best did get enough votes to qualifiy for the bracket, and they subsequently met expectations and made it through to the end. It's sad to see the races so unbalanced, but that's just where all the skill is right now.
Looking at the Korean contingent on the other hand of Seed, Life, MC, DRG, and Squirtle, I have to think that if I were to imagine the top 5 Korean players right now, the only one from that list that I would pick is Life. The other 4 players are in slumps of varying degrees. They chose these players using the GSL Rankings, which is more indicative of a player's achievements throughout the whole calendar year rather than who is hot and who is not right now.
Maybe it's a bit optimistic to say the foreigners are favoured here, but I would put them no worse than 50/50.
On November 15 2012 10:09 Bupalumpa wrote: Plz someone explain GSL Word champion 7 foreign vs 5 Korean? Korea need 2 more players right?? Or i am seeing something wrong??
Miscommunication b/w IPL and Gom. It was supposed to be 5 all along, including stephano/naniwa. IPL thought it was 5+ stephano/naniwa. IPL cut 2 world spots, but since they told they players it would be 7, to make up for it, they granted the 2 extra world spots entry and paid flights into IPL 5, but they won't play in the gom vs world thing.
The next two players on the GSL Rankings after Squirtle are Taeja and Genius (or Leenock if he wins his ro8 match tonight). All three of those players are already travelling to Las Vegas to compete in IPL5. Wouldn't it just be easier and better for everyone if they threw them onto the Korean team and played a 7v7 tournament somehow?
I can't really imagine what a 7v7 format would look like, but surely it would be better to do that then to bench one of the 5 foreigners who fought their way through a tough bracket to earn a spot on the team?
"Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
Well it's good that they decay, but gsl champs gain a boatload of points so decay doesn't really affect them. Apart from Life, team KR is team slumpuuuu!
My personal team would have been, Life, Leenock, MKP, Creator and DRG.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
Well it's good that they decay, but gsl champs gain a boatload of points so decay doesn't really affect them. Apart from Life, team KR is team slumpuuuu!
Then they might as well only have Bogus, Ryung, Sniper, HyuN play since everyone else is slumping also.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
Well it's good that they decay, but gsl champs gain a boatload of points so decay doesn't really affect them. Apart from Life, team KR is team slumpuuuu!
My personal team would have been, Life, Leenock, MKP, Creator and DRG.
The nice thing for the Korean representatives is that they all have excellent vZ, which is going to be key since Stephano-Scarlett-Nerchio is going to be a very tough nut to crack.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
Well it's good that they decay, but gsl champs gain a boatload of points so decay doesn't really affect them. Apart from Life, team KR is team slumpuuuu!
My personal team would have been, Life, Leenock, MKP, Creator and DRG.
That is the problem tho. If they handpicked like you have, there would always be arguements. IE. Why not PartinG over MKP/Creator. Sniper also looks more solid than DRG at this moment. Since they also used GSL points for WCS seedings and so forth, it gives GOM some consistency.
On November 21 2012 09:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: "Korean players were chosen by GSL ranking". Pretty lame tbh, those players who accumulated that ranking arent playing very well at the moment. They shoulda hand-picked. Leenock>DRG, Rain, Creator>Seed, MC. Too bad MVP cant play either. Well European line-up is cool, Korean not so much. No doubt it will be good tournament, but could've been better.
GOM likes to treat it's ranking as important. I guess you can't really blame them, and at least points deteriorate now (not like last year) but ya, I guess the best thing you can say about how the Korean team was picked is that at least it's impartial. Agreed that it's not the best team they could send, though.
It's only rankings from 2012 and decaying points from the gsl's earlier this year...so no...they are actually the best in gsl for 2012...
Well it's good that they decay, but gsl champs gain a boatload of points so decay doesn't really affect them. Apart from Life, team KR is team slumpuuuu!
My personal team would have been, Life, Leenock, MKP, Creator and DRG.
That is the problem tho. If they handpicked like you have, there would always be arguements. IE. Why not PartinG over MKP/Creator. Sniper also looks more solid than DRG at this moment. Since they also used GSL points for WCS seedings and so forth, it gives GOM some consistency.
Well I agree, there would be complaints about players no matter what system you use. GSL points is the safest way to do it because no favourtism can be implied.
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Naniwa and 
EG.Stephano!
(Mostly talking about the NA poll vote... If you know what I mean).
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