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Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 4

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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
August 31 2012 16:39 GMT
#61
Blizzard: Just be like IMMvp!

Oh Mvp I love you for your play but loathe you for making it harder for other Terrans.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 31 2012 16:39 GMT
#62
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.


I think he was rather talking about the way Mvp used Ravens. However, in my opinion the only reason for Ravens being strong was Metropolis.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 31 2012 16:40 GMT
#63
On September 01 2012 01:29 the_business_og wrote:
david kim literally has to be the worst person for the job... the one time wol gets balanced he buffs queens for literaly no reason and now has no balls to say they were wrong...


Your tears are delicious.

User was warned for this post
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
August 31 2012 16:40 GMT
#64
On September 01 2012 01:13 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:07 winthrop wrote:
lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential.
also did you notice the wcs race distribution?


You mean WCS Korea? That's mostly P though, unrelated to ZvT balance.

i mean global
Incredible Miracle
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 16:40 GMT
#65
On September 01 2012 01:33 TechNoTrance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


So much bias in one post. Thanks for proving my point.

Yep, I guess even pros Zergs stating that Queen buff was unnecessary and made Zerg favored in ZvT are biased towards Terran. Makes a lot of sense.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 31 2012 16:40 GMT
#66
On September 01 2012 01:39 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.

I hope you realize how ironic this statement is when talking about Zerg. And regardless of your opinion about pre-Queen buff TvZ, it was widely recognized at the most successful match-up in SC2. Now a lot of people compare it to ZvP... which unfortunately says a lot.


Considering how pure 2base timings are so rare in TvZ nowadays, and how rare 2base busts/pressure is rare in ZvP, i don't understand that comparison at all other than "killing zerg before hive tech is easier than killing him after hive tech".
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 31 2012 16:41 GMT
#67
nerf BL a lil bit I'll be happy. Or may be just nerf the corruptor.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2012 16:42 GMT
#68
On September 01 2012 01:40 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:33 TechNoTrance wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


So much bias in one post. Thanks for proving my point.

Yep, I guess even pros Zergs stating that Queen buff was unnecessary and made Zerg favored in ZvT are biased towards Terran. Makes a lot of sense.


Who are these pro-zergs? I need to see these quotes.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 16:43 GMT
#69
On September 01 2012 01:40 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:39 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.

I hope you realize how ironic this statement is when talking about Zerg. And regardless of your opinion about pre-Queen buff TvZ, it was widely recognized at the most successful match-up in SC2. Now a lot of people compare it to ZvP... which unfortunately says a lot.


Considering how pure 2base timings are so rare in TvZ nowadays, and how rare 2base busts/pressure is rare in ZvP, i don't understand that comparison at all other than "killing zerg before hive tech is easier than killing him after hive tech".

I meant people find it boring to watch.
Solarist
Profile Joined September 2011
291 Posts
August 31 2012 16:44 GMT
#70
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.


An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what?

I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
August 31 2012 16:44 GMT
#71
On September 01 2012 01:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:40 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:33 TechNoTrance wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


So much bias in one post. Thanks for proving my point.

Yep, I guess even pros Zergs stating that Queen buff was unnecessary and made Zerg favored in ZvT are biased towards Terran. Makes a lot of sense.


Who are these pro-zergs? I need to see these quotes.


I think DRG and Symbol stated something similar to those lines in interviews.. someone will have to dig it up =\
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 31 2012 16:44 GMT
#72
On September 01 2012 01:41 tuho12345 wrote:
nerf BL a lil bit I'll be happy. Or may be just nerf the corruptor.

I guess you mean infestor? Corruptor are the things that protect BL from flying stuff before becoming BL themselves and are just flying junk otherwise
Infestors are the thingies that kill everything.
Get off my lawn, young punks
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
August 31 2012 16:44 GMT
#73
On September 01 2012 01:34 Teoita wrote:
How about you all shut the fuck up and stop whining. All they said is "let's wait some more", not NO TERRAN BUFFS EVER FU ALL.

Besides if we go by tournament results, one could also point out that Terran will be the most represented race in Code S for example...

lol what a sick logic bro,To be represented in Code S doesn't mean they all win zerg to get code S spot.
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
August 31 2012 16:45 GMT
#74
It's great to see that Blizzard is keeping such a close eye also on their own WCS. So far during the continental finals we had 45 Protoss, 23 Terrans and 52 Zergs left. So far 7 Protoss, 3 Terrans and 10 Zergs has qualified for the WCS.
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
August 31 2012 16:46 GMT
#75
wow this is so dumb, it sounds like they watched IEM and decided "welp, play like mvp". I saw most of those games, and he probably would have lost more if the zergs build some spines to defend the hellion harrass. Not only that, but top 4 consisted of 3 zergs and MVP. MVP being the best player in the world, the three zergs being random up and coming foreigners.... .
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 16:47:42
August 31 2012 16:47 GMT
#76
its just the thing that zerg is in my opnion soo much easier to play with lower apm and also its so much easier to fungal a army than to spread and micro while being attacked TT ( mid master terran)
MMA | MVP|Teaja|Polt|MKP|Byun|Maru|Thorzain|Creator|HasuObs|Socke|Lucifron|Vortix|Mana|Heromarine / PRIME and Mousesports fighting!!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#77
On September 01 2012 01:39 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.


I think he was rather talking about the way Mvp used Ravens. However, in my opinion the only reason for Ravens being strong was Metropolis.

Agree. Mvp managing to get Ravens on Metropolis while outplaying inferior opponents (including Nestea) in midgame hardly says anything about Raven's viability on any map between equally skilled opponents. Good luck getting a Raven fleet on Antiga.
AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
August 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#78
On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.


An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what?

I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is


MMA | MVP|Teaja|Polt|MKP|Byun|Maru|Thorzain|Creator|HasuObs|Socke|Lucifron|Vortix|Mana|Heromarine / PRIME and Mousesports fighting!!
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 16:51:21
August 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#79
I am amazed how many guys think when they don't agree with Blizzard's stance, that Blizzard is wrong.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
operwolf
Profile Joined April 2008
United States324 Posts
August 31 2012 16:49 GMT
#80
I am for this decision...allows players to come up with more creative play to overcome certain difficulties for their respective race in the metagame.
He'll end up dead, because he'll die.
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