EPTSituation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 5
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eleaf
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strength
United States493 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:47 AzBozz wrote: its just the thing that zerg is in my opnion soo much easier to play with lower apm and also its so much easier to fungal a army than to spread and micro while being attacked TT ( mid master terran) No one cares about Mid master terran opinions... Mid master anything is bad. This is why they only use pro tournaments as statistics. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote: An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what? I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote: He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke. And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. Those same "f-ing foreigners at IEM" managed to beat a few of the Koreans too. fOrGG lost to Vortix 3-0, for example.... I predict a Raven nerf incoming, believe it or not. Mvp's gonna win the next GSL (again... :-D) against Jaedong, specfically use Ravens, and Blizz is gonna nerf 'em. It's a suspicious trend for the great LG-IM Terran....  Plus, it also seems to me that whenever Terrans figure out how to use one or more of their units, they get nerfed rather dramatically, like the Ghost. I hope it's not the same once Sky Terran becomes better understood and more played. | ||
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TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:44 Thrillz wrote: I think DRG and Symbol stated something similar to those lines in interviews.. someone will have to dig it up =\ Drg stated that it makes zerg easier and it was bad for him because now ledare Zergs eill look as Good as him;) | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
This kind of statement would've been okay if it wasnt for the previous occasions when Terran was nerfed briskly and without much mercy. Anyways, I still think the proposed raven ''buff'' is worthless, so no biggie | ||
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Schlendrian
49 Posts
I think the Queen range-buff made most of the pro-TvZs incredibly boring. I used to love watching TvZs that were a back and forth, like: Terran goes Hellions for map-control and threatening the Zerg, maybe some drops, then Zerg goes Mutas - takes map-control and harrasses constantly, Ling runbys and all that good stuff, then a smooth transition into lategame... Nowadays it's most of the time just a sit-and-wait till all are maxed out, then 1 fight...gg... Since I'm only a noob I'm not sure if this is true, but IMO this game needs "threats" like Hellions used to be, or Mutas when people still used them, because it forces both parties to stay active with their units or invest into static defenses. And it seems like all those "threats" are gone now, which makes it less and less entertaining. I guess I'll better watch the International now, cuz Chinese Dota is f-ing awesome | ||
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Solarist
291 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote: But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well. Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no? If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more  Moving on! | ||
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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:50 strength wrote: No one cares about Mid master terran opinions... Mid master anything is bad. This is why they only use pro tournaments as statistics. then soon there will be no more terrans in the lower leagues. when im laddering out of 10 games i meet one terran. and soooo many zergs . | ||
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fds
Slovenia258 Posts
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
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desarrisc
Canada226 Posts
i.e. 1) protoss upgrade cost decrease 2) snipe nerf 3) queen + overlord buff and some that were not considered as bad: 1) corruption cd-base 2) blue flame hellion nerf 3) supply depot before rax 4) archon range +1/ massive-attribute Now players seem to have adjusted to Blizzard's changes so that most matchups are pretty even and skill-based results. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:54 Solarist wrote: Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no? If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more Moving on!From my understanding, the 6 queen opening has no ability to punish a terran if he is greedy, which is why people switched to 4 queens and an early pool. I think Liquid "I'll show you the meaning of greed" Teaja highlighted this during the IPTL finals when he was rushing to 3 and 4 command centers. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote: But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well. No, fast third / 6 Queens openings are still used but old agressive Mutalisks-based styles are still viable (e. g. Leenock play) despite countless Zergs claiming the contrary and using this fallacy as an evidence that they need to be able to go 11 minuts Hive while skipping units during the first minuts of the game. | ||
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Mavvie
Canada923 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:54 Schlendrian wrote: Putting all balance issues aside, I think the Queen range-buff made most of the pro-TvZs incredibly boring. I used to love watching TvZs that were a back and forth, like: Terran goes Hellions for map-control and threatening the Zerg, maybe some drops, then Zerg goes Mutas - takes map-control and harrasses constantly, Ling runbys and all that good stuff, then a smooth transition into lategame... Nowadays it's most of the time just a sit-and-wait till all are maxed out, then 1 fight...gg... Since I'm only a noob I'm not sure if this is true, but IMO this game needs "threats" like Hellions used to be, or Mutas when people still used them, because it forces both parties to stay active with their units or invest into static defenses. And it seems like all those "threats" are gone now, which makes it less and less entertaining. I guess I'll better watch the International now, cuz Chinese Dota is f-ing awesome I agree with you pretty much, except mutas aren't "bad'. I remember I recently read that ZvT mutas have a higher winrate than infestors in the GSL or something...probably because with mutas you'll take minimal damage from drops. Anyways, can someone explain me how IM-Nestea is a "lesser foreigner zerg" that "MVP beat because he was way better"? Someone on the first or second page linked the video from IEM of MVP destroying Nestea with a nice raven flank... | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:28 Rokoz wrote: First I play 10 ladder games, meet 1 terran who actually was just losing games on purpose then I read this. I understand that their view when they see terran somewhat adapting to the situation, however, for a average terran like me I can see clearly the lack of terrans on ladder each time I play. On ladder my opponents are 20% T / 40% P / 40% Z according to Sc2gears. I understand that Kas and MVP makes it look easy, however, for majority of terrans it's a struggle. And last but not least it's great to see that David Kim sees that Raven has potential. Since that's the only word to describe Raven, a unit with a lot of potential and that's it. I'm pretty sure Blizzard believes they are fixing that difficulty problem with all the mech units in heart of the swarm since they said they were doing it to add an easier than bio playstyle like the other races have. | ||
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eleaf
526 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:50 strength wrote: No one cares about Mid master terran opinions... Mid master anything is bad. This is why they only use pro tournaments as statistics. Indeed. Blizzard logic is very powerful. Back in the very first GSL (GSL open), fruitdealer grab the champion from a bunch of highly trained KR terrans, David said T imba, they are everywhere among the top 8 though the winner is Z. Now, MVP trying hard and grab the champion from a relatively low level foreign tournament (no offense here) coz we all knew it is impossible for him to win any money from KR, with surrounded by a bunch of poorly trained Zerg foreigners (still no offense here, just imagine how these player do when they play on KR GM ladder) and David says, LOOK, T is the champion, terran is just fine. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:49 TheDwf wrote: Agree. Mvp managing to get Ravens on Metropolis while outplaying inferior opponents (including Nestea) in midgame hardly says anything about Raven's viability on any map between equally skilled opponents. Good luck getting a Raven fleet on Antiga. That's the point. You don't need to build raven on antiga, control the center, don't allow him to get a 4th base and just win the game. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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