• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:36
CET 14:36
KST 22:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1635 users

Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
950 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 48 Next All
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2012 17:16 GMT
#121
On September 01 2012 02:02 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:58 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:54 Solarist wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.


An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what?

I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is


But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well.


Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no?
If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more Moving on!



From my understanding, the 6 queen opening has no ability to punish a terran if he is greedy

Fortunately enough Zergs do not need to punish Terran greed because they can rush Hive and get their ultimate armies way faster than Terrans can.


It don’t think that is how it works. Maybe in your games where you cannot handle getting a such a robust terran economy so quickly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 31 2012 17:17 GMT
#122
On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote:
So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.

I'd have appreciated if they had done that prior to a horrible patch that really needs addressing(or reverting). And personally I am quite concerned that the reason they are holding their hands is that a few players(one of them playing against worse players) are doing really well while everyone else isn't.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
August 31 2012 17:18 GMT
#123
Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.

When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"

I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 17:18:44
August 31 2012 17:18 GMT
#124
On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote:
So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.

I think, to some extent, people are angry it took them this long to figure out waiting for the meta to adjust is the right thing to do. Honestly, the anger here seems to be more residual anger about the weirdness of a Zerg buff when TvZ was almost a perfectly balanced matchup.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 31 2012 17:19 GMT
#125
On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote:
Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.

When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"

I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.


you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
August 31 2012 17:20 GMT
#126
On September 01 2012 02:18 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote:
So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.

I think, to some extent, people are angry it took them this long to figure out waiting for the meta to adjust is the right thing to do. Honestly, the anger here seems to be more residual anger about the weirdness of a Zerg buff when TvZ was almost a perfectly balanced matchup.


I'm angry that it's instant reaction terran nerf while they go for a wait and see approach with zergs.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 31 2012 17:20 GMT
#127
How come they never talked about DRG NEVER HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH HELLIONS PRE-PATCH? They reference Mvp for the ravens...fucking blizzard. Such a joke
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 31 2012 17:21 GMT
#128
just make creep recede as fast as it spreads, that's it
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
August 31 2012 17:21 GMT
#129
blizzard should always try and error on the side of making no changes and letting pros adjust/adapt/improve. I wholeheartedly agree with this decision.
nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
August 31 2012 17:22 GMT
#130
I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial.
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
August 31 2012 17:22 GMT
#131
On September 01 2012 02:13 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:13 c0ldfusion wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:07 winthrop wrote:
lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential.
also did you notice the wcs race distribution?


You mean WCS Korea? That's mostly P though, unrelated to ZvT balance.


it's ok Terrans in Code S are almost back to their prime, soon the days of GomTvT will return


It's actually EXACTLY same race distribution as last season and I didn't see terrans domination.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 17:23 GMT
#132
On September 01 2012 02:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 02:02 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:58 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:54 Solarist wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote:
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.

People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes.

Fixed.


I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up.


An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what?

I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is


But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well.


Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no?
If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more Moving on!



From my understanding, the 6 queen opening has no ability to punish a terran if he is greedy

Fortunately enough Zergs do not need to punish Terran greed because they can rush Hive and get their ultimate armies way faster than Terrans can.


It don’t think that is how it works. Maybe in your games where you cannot handle getting a such a robust terran economy so quickly.

Of course it is the way it works, in an even game Zergs can get BLs/Corruptors/Infestors before Terrans (or Protoss for that matter) can get their own ultimate compositions. Both Terrans and Protoss have to stall to reach said compositions.
Treehead
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
999 Posts
August 31 2012 17:23 GMT
#133
On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote:
So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.


Some people actually believe this - they probably are not posting because they're content to read the OP.

Some people actually only wanted this when it's good for their race. They're the people you're hearing the screaming from. It isn't that people just want to be angry, it's that it's different people who are angry - and that people who are happy have no real impetus to go post 27 times on a forum about how happy they are.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
August 31 2012 17:23 GMT
#134
On September 01 2012 02:19 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote:
Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.

When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"

I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.


you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years


A swing and a miss. I feel bad that you actually don't understand. (and please, list the preferable treatment for the "better part of 2 years"). Do you mean the Thor nerf after 1 tournament? Or the Blue Flame Hellions after the MLG? Of course, it was apparently decided by Blizzard that the meta was already figured out and it was gonna be OP. Oh and it doesn't matter if Terran used to be strong, Blizzard has a duty to make a balanced game and they don't apply the same balance methods to different races.

Cool.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
August 31 2012 17:23 GMT
#135
On September 01 2012 02:22 nottapro wrote:
I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial.


This isn't even a legit complaint...control groups completely avoid this problem.

Raven does need help, though.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 17:24 GMT
#136
On September 01 2012 02:22 nottapro wrote:
I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial.

The Tab button wants some words with you.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
August 31 2012 17:25 GMT
#137
On September 01 2012 02:20 Sroobz wrote:
How come they never talked about DRG NEVER HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH HELLIONS PRE-PATCH? They reference Mvp for the ravens...fucking blizzard. Such a joke


No zerg pro ever had problems with hellions. They were stupidly easy to defend against and while yes, it did force zerg to do a specific early game to defend or die, it's not like it's any different now (6 queen opening anyone?)
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 31 2012 17:25 GMT
#138
Yet another useless statement from Blizzard staff.

Really hope someone will wake up and fire those clowns who call themselves "Starcraft 2 game design team".
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 17:25 GMT
#139
On September 01 2012 02:19 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote:
Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.

When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"

I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.


you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years

So Terran players should be punished now because Blizzard failed at the beginning of the game? Nice mentality.
rembrant
Profile Joined July 2012
62 Posts
August 31 2012 17:28 GMT
#140
On September 01 2012 02:16 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote:
So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.

Love how you dismiss the part about how they should have done this way earlier, and not post-Queen buff.

So basically ur ok with what blizz is doing but ur upset it follows a buff to a race you don't play, well that's nice. :-)
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 48 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
Monday #66
WardiTV1064
TKL 200
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko402
TKL 200
BRAT_OK 102
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2108
Bisu 1724
Larva 834
Mini 771
Light 683
Stork 575
GuemChi 504
Soma 483
firebathero 408
Snow 290
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 246
hero 216
Rush 182
Sharp 178
Killer 153
Sea.KH 138
PianO 131
Pusan 79
Mong 74
Aegong 71
JYJ 69
ToSsGirL 53
sorry 46
soO 40
Movie 37
910 28
Shinee 27
Terrorterran 21
ajuk12(nOOB) 19
yabsab 18
zelot 15
Sacsri 11
Bale 10
SilentControl 9
Dota 2
singsing4875
XcaliburYe677
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2473
zeus607
x6flipin600
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor180
Other Games
Fuzer 389
crisheroes336
RotterdaM181
Happy179
hiko141
oskar116
Mew2King106
nookyyy 55
Chillindude5
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 67
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV541
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 24m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.