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On September 01 2012 02:02 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:58 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:54 Solarist wrote:On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote:On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote: People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.
Standard. People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes. Fixed. I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up. An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what? I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well. Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no? If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more  Moving on! From my understanding, the 6 queen opening has no ability to punish a terran if he is greedy Fortunately enough Zergs do not need to punish Terran greed because they can rush Hive and get their ultimate armies way faster than Terrans can.
It don’t think that is how it works. Maybe in your games where you cannot handle getting a such a robust terran economy so quickly.
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On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote: So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest. I'd have appreciated if they had done that prior to a horrible patch that really needs addressing(or reverting). And personally I am quite concerned that the reason they are holding their hands is that a few players(one of them playing against worse players) are doing really well while everyone else isn't.
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Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.
When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"
I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.
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On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote: So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest. I think, to some extent, people are angry it took them this long to figure out waiting for the meta to adjust is the right thing to do. Honestly, the anger here seems to be more residual anger about the weirdness of a Zerg buff when TvZ was almost a perfectly balanced matchup.
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On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote: Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.
When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"
I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid.
you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years
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On September 01 2012 02:18 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote: So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest. I think, to some extent, people are angry it took them this long to figure out waiting for the meta to adjust is the right thing to do. Honestly, the anger here seems to be more residual anger about the weirdness of a Zerg buff when TvZ was almost a perfectly balanced matchup.
I'm angry that it's instant reaction terran nerf while they go for a wait and see approach with zergs.
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How come they never talked about DRG NEVER HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH HELLIONS PRE-PATCH? They reference Mvp for the ravens...fucking blizzard. Such a joke
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just make creep recede as fast as it spreads, that's it
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blizzard should always try and error on the side of making no changes and letting pros adjust/adapt/improve. I wholeheartedly agree with this decision.
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I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial.
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On September 01 2012 02:13 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:13 c0ldfusion wrote:On September 01 2012 01:07 winthrop wrote: lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential. also did you notice the wcs race distribution? You mean WCS Korea? That's mostly P though, unrelated to ZvT balance. it's ok Terrans in Code S are almost back to their prime, soon the days of GomTvT will return
It's actually EXACTLY same race distribution as last season and I didn't see terrans domination.
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On September 01 2012 02:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:02 TheDwf wrote:On September 01 2012 01:58 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:54 Solarist wrote:On September 01 2012 01:50 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:44 Solarist wrote:On September 01 2012 01:30 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2012 01:27 TheDwf wrote:On September 01 2012 01:24 TechNoTrance wrote: People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.
Standard. People complain when Blizzard makes stupid and unnecessary changes to a good match-up. People complain when Blizzard refuses to adress the various problems created by said changes. Fixed. I dont agree with the TvZ was a great match up prior to the +2 queen range. I have a problem with a opening that was used on every map, every time. The only question was, "how many hellions will they build". But I guess it was nice for terrans to only have to know one build for the whole match up. An opener that works on every map, every time? Are you talking about the 6 queen opener or what? I hope you realise how hilariously ironic everything you just said is But that ended pretty quickly. Now we see 4 queen builds with earlier pools coming back into style(MLG had tons of this) and we will see other styles come out as well. Is the 6 queen opener not a stable build that can be used in every single map? Yes or no? If you wanna use the arguement just presented then Terran used other strategies aswell, sometimes it was cloak banshee, 2 rax and other early game stuff. But i guess we shoudent use that argument, because it makes your posting fall apart even more  Moving on! From my understanding, the 6 queen opening has no ability to punish a terran if he is greedy Fortunately enough Zergs do not need to punish Terran greed because they can rush Hive and get their ultimate armies way faster than Terrans can. It don’t think that is how it works. Maybe in your games where you cannot handle getting a such a robust terran economy so quickly. Of course it is the way it works, in an even game Zergs can get BLs/Corruptors/Infestors before Terrans (or Protoss for that matter) can get their own ultimate compositions. Both Terrans and Protoss have to stall to reach said compositions.
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On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote: So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest.
Some people actually believe this - they probably are not posting because they're content to read the OP.
Some people actually only wanted this when it's good for their race. They're the people you're hearing the screaming from. It isn't that people just want to be angry, it's that it's different people who are angry - and that people who are happy have no real impetus to go post 27 times on a forum about how happy they are.
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On September 01 2012 02:19 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote: Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.
When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"
I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid. you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years
A swing and a miss. I feel bad that you actually don't understand. (and please, list the preferable treatment for the "better part of 2 years"). Do you mean the Thor nerf after 1 tournament? Or the Blue Flame Hellions after the MLG? Of course, it was apparently decided by Blizzard that the meta was already figured out and it was gonna be OP. Oh and it doesn't matter if Terran used to be strong, Blizzard has a duty to make a balanced game and they don't apply the same balance methods to different races.
Cool.
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On September 01 2012 02:22 nottapro wrote: I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial.
This isn't even a legit complaint...control groups completely avoid this problem.
Raven does need help, though.
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On September 01 2012 02:22 nottapro wrote: I hate the raven as a terran. If you have it selected while you have your army marine/marauders selected and you try to stim, nothing happens. Its extremely frustrating. Just patching that would be hugely beneficial. The Tab button wants some words with you.
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On September 01 2012 02:20 Sroobz wrote: How come they never talked about DRG NEVER HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH HELLIONS PRE-PATCH? They reference Mvp for the ravens...fucking blizzard. Such a joke
No zerg pro ever had problems with hellions. They were stupidly easy to defend against and while yes, it did force zerg to do a specific early game to defend or die, it's not like it's any different now (6 queen opening anyone?)
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Yet another useless statement from Blizzard staff.
Really hope someone will wake up and fire those clowns who call themselves "Starcraft 2 game design team".
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On September 01 2012 02:19 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:18 Chaggi wrote: Cool. When it was a zerg buff, it took them a few days to put it in (completely screwing up the meta game) and took 2-3 months for them to even respond that there was possibly a problem.
When MVP/Taeja does well at like 1-2 tournaments, against inferior players on a specific map, they pull back all plans and say "let the metagame develop"
I don't even care about the buffs. I just want to be treated fairly. This is so stupid. you dont get to be treated fairly when you've had preferable treatment for the best part of 2 years So Terran players should be punished now because Blizzard failed at the beginning of the game? Nice mentality.
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On September 01 2012 02:16 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:13 hunts wrote: So blizzard finally does what so many people wanted: gives the meta game a chance to settle down, gives the pros a chance to figure things out, and everyone throws a fit? It really feels like no matter what blizzard does they can't please everyone, and the displeased whiners will always be the loudest. Love how you dismiss the part about how they should have done this way earlier, and not post-Queen buff. So basically ur ok with what blizz is doing but ur upset it follows a buff to a race you don't play, well that's nice. :-)
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