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Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 2

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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 16:18:20
August 31 2012 16:17 GMT
#21
We feel that at this time, we should give players more opportunities to fully explore the slowly-shifting meta-game before we change the balance of the game.

Wish they just did this all the time.. players, most of the time will figure out ways to deal with any problems and on some occasions Blizzard should have just waited longer before making changes
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
August 31 2012 16:18 GMT
#22
Love it. I know it will lead to an absolute shitstorm of Terran whine; nonetheless, Kim speaks the truth -- Terrans are competing (and winning) at the highest levels.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 31 2012 16:19 GMT
#23
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.

I'm sure he could write you a book on the various things they do and look at to come to conclusions, but it's not worth it if he's just making a 2-minute update. Simmer down.
Refer to my post.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3318 Posts
August 31 2012 16:20 GMT
#24
Called it
Now someone put avilo on suicide watch.
This should put the end to the silliness of thinking blizzard could actually do something wrong :D
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
August 31 2012 16:20 GMT
#25
IEM- 3/4 zerg finalists. MVP won against foreigners.
WCS- enough said
Korea- P has always been good and the metagame shifting benefits them I guess
MLG- Zerg champion ( not to say that was balance related Leenock played beast but still)

Racial balance in tournaments is a terrible way of looking at balance in general. They clearly just don't want to see any terrans playing on the ladder if they continue with this way of "balancing". Its pretty funny how when terrans are underpowered its ok bc the metagame is shifting, but when it comes to a different race having trouble they either baby them and show them what to do or nerf terran. The second a 2 base thor timing from a foreigner vs cross server Korean game comes out a giant nerf making the Thor obsolete in TvP comes. Or one tournament of blue flame hellions is enough to warrant a giant nerf. And depending on the day a bunker or barracks builds too fast or too slow.

In both TvP and TvZ, one misclick even when you are mechanically stronger and ahead can cost the game..its OK when you are on the level of IMMVP, but everybody else its unreasonable to expect this type of play. I guess David Kim doesn't think so.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2012 16:21 GMT
#26
On September 01 2012 01:17 Zelniq wrote:
Show nested quote +
We feel that at this time, we should give players more opportunities to fully explore the slowly-shifting meta-game before we change the balance of the game.

Wish they just did this all the time.. players, most of the time will figure out ways to deal with any problems and on some occasions Blizzard should have just waited longer before making changes


They are slowing catching on. Blizzard has come a long way since the release of SC2. The maps alone are a huge improvement. We should focus on making better maps and keep the balance changes off the table for a while.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
August 31 2012 16:21 GMT
#27
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.


Did you even read it? They never said it was perfect, they said they are going to wait to see how to meta-game evolves after seeing the potential use for ravens. They still could buff them or nerf creep, but they don't want to rush things.

Being patient and considerate is amateurish to you? Does that mean you are in favour of knee-jerk balance changes then?
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
August 31 2012 16:21 GMT
#28
On September 01 2012 01:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:09 Shinespark wrote:
Great. Thanks a lot, Mvp, for using a strategy that I'll never have the apm to perform.


I will never have the AMP to control blink stalkers like Hero or MC, but I keep running into that brick wall in PvP. Don't worry, I have faith in you and that your ability to get enough AMP to beat your opponents.


Adenosine Mono-Phosphate? You must mean either ATP (energy) or APM (movements). But I'm not so sure, given that that typo happened twice in a row...

I think that the creep nerf is still necessary, as the game is, even if possibly fair in TvZ, kind of lacking in an interesting early and mid-game. And, like others have pointed out, basing balance on the status of TaeJa's and MVP's conditions is suspect. The "interest" factor also applies to the raven changes, IMO.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 16:22:58
August 31 2012 16:22 GMT
#29
MVP walking over a bunch of random euro patchzergs made David Kim somehow draw balance conclusions about the state of TvZ.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 31 2012 16:22 GMT
#30
Terrans used ravens after getting 5 bases on Metro...COOL Ofc that means every map in tourney and ladder pool allows them to get 4+ bases...creep is still a problem, just not on some maps. I don't think it's that much of an issue but the logic they use is always full of fucking shit.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 31 2012 16:22 GMT
#31
Zerg should be very grateful to MVP
Get off my lawn, young punks
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
August 31 2012 16:23 GMT
#32
On September 01 2012 01:17 Zelniq wrote:
Show nested quote +
We feel that at this time, we should give players more opportunities to fully explore the slowly-shifting meta-game before we change the balance of the game.

Wish they just did this all the time.. players, most of the time will figure out ways to deal with any problems and on some occasions Blizzard should have just waited longer before making changes


This game especially toss balance was pretty dire in the fall of last year. I think in hindsight we're being gracious but it wasn't a very competitive or compelling game at the pro-level for significant portions of last year. Now after the map changes and the balance tweaks we're reaching an equilibrium where on their day no one race is really expected to dominate or more likely to win. Unfortunately, some of the fundamental design seems terrible and the gameplay stale, but this game is significantly more competitive than it was before Bliz stepped in.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 31 2012 16:23 GMT
#33
Guess he didn't watch any of the Vortix games.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
nt-rAven
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada405 Posts
August 31 2012 16:23 GMT
#34
Zerg should still get creep spread nerfed imo;
get owned
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 16:24 GMT
#35
On September 01 2012 01:21 TechNoTrance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.


Did you even read it? They never said it was perfect, they said they are going to wait to see how to meta-game evolves after seeing the potential use for ravens. They still could buff them or nerf creep, but they don't want to rush things.

Then why did they give Queens +2 range? Don't you realize their hilarious double standards in regard to this?
Lightswarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada966 Posts
August 31 2012 16:24 GMT
#36
whats the situation on those beta keys
Team[AoV]
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
August 31 2012 16:24 GMT
#37
People whine when blizz makes changes too quickly without enough testing. People whine when blizz is patient and careful about making changes with a fair amount of testing.

Standard.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 31 2012 16:25 GMT
#38
Ravens are used in lategame only imo. And the transition is not that easy to do. Damn. Why david kim Open your eyes please
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2012 16:25 GMT
#39
On September 01 2012 01:23 xrapture wrote:
Guess he didn't watch any of the Vortix games.


He did really well for a first time showing on the big stage. We will have to see how much better he does against a stronger player pool, but all and all he did very well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
nemonic
Profile Joined November 2011
132 Posts
August 31 2012 16:26 GMT
#40
I hope Kas isn't getting lynched by his fellow terran bros now.
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