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roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
August 23 2012 06:02 GMT
#161
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
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On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
Korlin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada142 Posts
August 23 2012 06:03 GMT
#162
I have to say thank you. This topic has inspired me to play random once HoTS comes out.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
August 23 2012 06:04 GMT
#163
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
August 23 2012 06:08 GMT
#164
FUCk i want to post but i haven't read this thread and don't want to /randomplat plays zvp pvz etc
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
August 23 2012 06:10 GMT
#165
On August 23 2012 15:04 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.


It's not a job for most people who play it
Hudson Valley Progamer
Rukis
Profile Joined April 2009
United States252 Posts
August 23 2012 06:11 GMT
#166
Anything under a 14 pool has to be aggressive or lack of drones or mineral income would hurt meta game.
Flash was the Genius, Nada was the true god.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
August 23 2012 06:19 GMT
#167
i wanted to empathise with the OP. then i read "safe 11 pool zvp" and my brain imploded.
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 06:27:25
August 23 2012 06:23 GMT
#168
On August 23 2012 15:04 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.

If you are part of that 1% that has the capability to go pro, my hat is off to you, good job, now go join a team and find some actual practice partners that'll help you improve beyond muscle-memory laddering.
If you're like the rest of us who play for enjoyment, I'd advise you to get your priorities straight.
Bogus ST_Life IMMVP
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 06:34:14
August 23 2012 06:30 GMT
#169
All I got from this thread is that somebody out there who takes starcraft 2 a little too seriously lost badly to a random player who didn't tell him his race, and now he wants people to remove random from the ladder selections. He then proceeds to try to cover everything up with the usual reasons like 'random players don't follow the metagame' and 'you're not improving'. Please, what metagame is there below masters? Whoever macros better wins anyways.
Fuck that shit, I'm switching to random, if only to piss off people like the OP.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 06:35:05
August 23 2012 06:31 GMT
#170
I find it boring to play only one race in a game that has 3 of them.

But i'm now only playing protoss because i'm too bad with the others. If i didin't want to reach diamond/master (i'm plat) league i would still be playing random. Makes you train with the 3 races, makes you find the one that really fits you the most and makes every game unique.
When you're playing 10 PvZ in a row, it's more or less all the same, when you play 10 RvZ in a row, it's never the same :D


Also : MorroW, Guineapig, GuMiHo, Nerchio, TLO, Superstar, ...
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 07:10:15
August 23 2012 07:05 GMT
#171
On August 23 2012 15:10 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 15:04 Fencar wrote:
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.


It's not a job for most people who play it

I meant if you want it as a career choice, it's like any Edit: some jobs and you have to put in everything if you want to live well.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
August 23 2012 07:25 GMT
#172
I wonder how far a Random player could get by telling people the wrong race at the start and then countering the choice the opponent usually makes in the current metagame?

I'm a firm believer Random should show race and I have played Random for a season or two now.
Praise the sun! \o/
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
August 23 2012 07:29 GMT
#173
I just tell people my race straight away, solves the problem.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
August 23 2012 07:33 GMT
#174
Another random topic, yay.

Blizzard should obviously make it so random shows race, but they won't, because too many people enjoy using Random to cheese.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
August 23 2012 07:53 GMT
#175
On August 23 2012 16:29 Suc wrote:
I just tell people my race straight away, solves the problem.
Some people say what their race isn't to trick the other player while doing a cheese, such as telling a Protoss that they're Zerg while going 3rax all-in.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 08:03:35
August 23 2012 07:57 GMT
#176
On August 23 2012 16:33 Tobberoth wrote:
Another random topic, yay.

Blizzard should obviously make it so random shows race, but they won't, because too many people enjoy using Random to cheese.


that must be the exact reason why sc vanilla had random...

i'm not sure why mods are leaving both threads open because its just a cycle of complaints and those complaints being refuted.


I wouldnt mind loading screen showing "random z/t/p", i rarely face ffe in zvp because im random. Word Random needs to be added for "in your face" factor
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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
August 23 2012 08:13 GMT
#177
On August 23 2012 16:53 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 16:29 Suc wrote:
I just tell people my race straight away, solves the problem.
Some people say what their race isn't to trick the other player while doing a cheese, such as telling a Protoss that they're Zerg while going 3rax all-in.

Yeah people always say "I don't believe you" or something, but they're always shocked and say "wow, sorry" when they see I was telling the truth, haha.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
August 23 2012 08:18 GMT
#178
Even if you aren't learning standard builds, why does it matter? You aren't playing against them, because you're playing random. No reason to learn what a standard pvz opens with if you aren't going to play any
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Passion
Profile Joined December 2003
Netherlands1486 Posts
August 23 2012 08:25 GMT
#179
On August 23 2012 15:04 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.


Riiight... just like some people clean houses for fun. Just like you need to put in a ton of effort to be good at handling the cash register.

In general, all this fuss about random is a bit retarded. For 99% of the players, I really doubt playing random will help them get ladder wins. It just gets boring as shit playing the same race over and over, so hell, let me have fun and play my damn random in peace.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 08:32:27
August 23 2012 08:31 GMT
#180
On August 23 2012 16:05 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 15:10 Klipsys wrote:
On August 23 2012 15:04 Fencar wrote:
On August 23 2012 15:02 roronoe wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:37 aviator116 wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:34 PersonDudeGuy wrote:
All my builds open essentially the exact same and diverge at ordinary scout times so playing against random is never dangerous for me. Playing random for the sole purpose of collecting ladder points by abusing metagame is kind of short sighted in my opinion.

Playing SC2 in itself is incredibly short-sighted too you know? I mean seriously, do you honestly expect to become a pro-gamer one day? And even if you do, do you think you'll find a super stable source of income that way?
Fact is, Starcraft 2 is a video game. It's a hobby, meant for entertainment, you should really only play for fun. Some people obviously need to come to grips with that.


So true.
True for some, but not for others. Like any job, you have to put in a ton of effort in order to become good, and it's not for everyone.


It's not a job for most people who play it

I meant if you want it as a career choice, it's like any Edit: some jobs and you have to put in everything if you want to live well.


With the exception this issue is irrelevant to those who want to go pro anyways, generally speaking, since Random isn't encountered really at all on the pro scene.

On August 23 2012 16:53 Fencar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 16:29 Suc wrote:
I just tell people my race straight away, solves the problem.
Some people say what their race isn't to trick the other player while doing a cheese, such as telling a Protoss that they're Zerg while going 3rax all-in.


I must admit this is less of an issue at my level where I mass game and encounter the same people frequently on the ladder, most people I encounter know by now I don't lie^^.
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