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31415926535
Switzerland276 Posts
So yeah.. if you could just stop telling me what to do and just learn to deal with the game as it's designed (it includes an random option) and stop QQing, that would be nice. Btw, here are some ideas for your next posts : "Why you should tell your opponents when you cheese". "Why you should only play macro grames". "Why you should check with your opponents if he knows the build you're doing before doing it otherwise he might not answer properly and you won't learn anything". | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
On August 23 2012 17:38 31415926535 wrote: Well, I got news for the OP : I don't give a shit that I'm not learning the correct current metagames builds because I play for fun and have no intentions of becoming a progamer. So yeah.. if you could just stop telling me what to do and just learn to deal with the game as it's designed (it includes an random option) and stop QQing, that would be nice. Btw, here are some ideas for your next posts : "Why you should tell your opponents when you cheese". "Why you should only play macro grames". "Why you should check with your opponents if he knows the build you're doing before doing it otherwise he might not answer properly and you won't learn anything". Haha OP got spanked. Spot on. | ||
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Bwiggly
United States246 Posts
Random isn't some end all imbalanced 4th race. It's using mild surprise tactics and that's it, and once it's scouted it's a standard game. But that's just how I see it. | ||
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FortMonty
United States63 Posts
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Jerrybear
United States9 Posts
I am really putting this directly at the randoms on ladder who are plat or below who don't tell their race. This is what completely confuses me, because honestly at plat and below for sure, the true meta game is not the meta game. I started playing this game in beta, I was about 12 when SC1 first hit the shelves and I got it at the nearest store but was never amazing didn't even have a race or understand higher thinking. So when I played after the game came out, i went 0-5 placement into bronze. I wanted to get better and worked my way up to plat in season 1, and in season 2 I made it to diamond. A person who is say gold level, playing someone versus gold level does not matter what races are what. It just really doesn't matter if i'm playing a T,Z, or P or even do not know, because even if they try to cheese it's just not that good of a cheese and you can easily defend them, no matter your race or your opponents race b/c after you defend it and you have 14-15 workers still and he destroyed your econ, he still only have 7 or 8 and is building more buildings to attack with. I just do not see the problem with random on the ladder because 1) if you honestly want to be pro this is the type of things you need to be able to EASILY handle at levels below plat. 2) They are a race, if you get a map they can spawn 4 places scout early see what they are and count workers, if there are only 2 late scout you know where you are going, get the little extra econ in case it's a mirror match and scout them a little later just scout and do not freak when you see 2 gateways or cannons or bunkers being built at your base. If you defend at that level you win 3) Have fun on the ladder, in reality you have many many many losses ahead of you, and if the ones to random are making you mad wait till you really do have a 5 base macro game where you throw your infestors just inside snipe range and lose them all then get rolled over 1 miss click. Playing random only makes your ability to read, react and dictate the match that much easier, because once they spawn they have already decided the build that they are going most likely since they know your race. You get to read and react to what they plan on doing from the start. That's probably the best part, they have a specific type of play they want to do in the matchup and you can exploit it's weakness' once you see what they are trying to do. What your opponent enjoys is the most important, because everyone can play how they want. You can win vs it all if played right, so their race shouldn't matter at that level. *Edit- if On August 23 2012 18:02 Geiko wrote: On August 23 2012 17:38 31415926535 wrote:On topic, I think what OP meant was that random players who are proud that they know "how to play all three races" really only know how to play random... If you're planning on switching to the race you like the most after, then playing random is detrimental to your learning. Is correct to what the OP was stating, the above was on the meta game differences, not on being able to switch to a primary race from random | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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Geiko
France2051 Posts
On August 23 2012 17:38 31415926535 wrote: Well, I got news for the OP : I don't give a shit that I'm not learning the correct current metagames builds because I play for fun and have no intentions of becoming a progamer. So yeah.. if you could just stop telling me what to do and just learn to deal with the game as it's designed (it includes an random option) and stop QQing, that would be nice. Btw, here are some ideas for your next posts : "Why you should tell your opponents when you cheese". "Why you should only play macro grames". "Why you should check with your opponents if he knows the build you're doing before doing it otherwise he might not answer properly and you won't learn anything". I actually do this when I'm testing out all-ins. "going to 4 gate blink-obs all-in you, you should build a bunker in main and be ready to pull some SCVs" "1 base immortal sentry push, get some speedlings before 10minute mark" and so on... It's great for getting good practice instead of facing some idiot zerg who gets 75 drones while you're on 1 base or terrans who go fast 3 CC without scouting your 4 gate blink. On topic, I think what OP meant was that random players who are proud that they know "how to play all three races" really only know how to play random... If you're planning on switching to the race you like the most after, then playing random is detrimental to your learning. | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
a) Didn't like PvP even though it's (still) my best matchup. b) Every race kind of requires different skillsets that will strenghten you as a player when you finally pick a race c) you can catch up with the metagame if you ever want to play more serious (gonna be hard though, buts that part of the charm of sc) d) If you really got the talent and dedication to "go pro"/play really serious, it doesn't really matter which race you play until you are at a high Master level anyway (imo)! e) Having more fun and learning much more about the game than if I'd go back just playing PvX on a diamond-low master level! | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On August 23 2012 07:35 Masvidal wrote: Why doesn't random show your race during loading screen, like any self-respecting RTS? BW didn't show your race on loading screen either when you picked random. Nor did Warcraft 3. So what RTS games are "self-respecting", then? | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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Gigaschatten
Germany79 Posts
If I am bad or not is of no interest for you. You don't even consider all the possibilities why someone plays random: - don't care about ladder, - just play for fun, - boring to play only 1 race, - getting other achievements, - couldn't decide on 1 race, Master Random on EU account here. And 98% of my games are Macro games. Now pick some other topic where you can bash other people. How many randoms are out there? Like 2% - 3%? Wow... really a concern. C'mooooon. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On August 23 2012 18:02 Geiko wrote: I actually do this when I'm testing out all-ins. "going to 4 gate blink-obs all-in you, you should build a bunker in main and be ready to pull some SCVs" "1 base immortal sentry push, get some speedlings before 10minute mark" and so on... It's great for getting good practice instead of facing some idiot zerg who gets 75 drones while you're on 1 base or terrans who go fast 3 CC without scouting your 4 gate blink. On topic, I think what OP meant was that random players who are proud that they know "how to play all three races" really only know how to play random... If you're planning on switching to the race you like the most after, then playing random is detrimental to your learning. Yeah but a lot of people could assume you're lying, and that you're trying to get them defensive so that you can get an advantage in economy to crush them with later. But I guess if its working for you most people just assume you're telling the truth? Seems kind of risky, hopefully everyone will just learn how to scout | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 23 2012 20:25 D_K_night wrote: BW didn't show your race on loading screen either when you picked random. Nor did Warcraft 3. So what RTS games are "self-respecting", then? EA games, while far from self respecting, also generally did not reveal random. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On August 23 2012 07:28 WniO wrote: in the end we will all be playing random... look at bw. haha yeah I remember playing against random players on Iccup. I had so much respect for random players. They whipped my ass and took my Iccup points. | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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diddLY
United States215 Posts
On August 24 2012 08:40 Penecks wrote: Sure no one can stop you from picking random, but it is just a very selfish way of playing all the races, when one could just use some dice or random generator to pick a concrete race for each game. You are negatively affecting the fun/practice of your opponents. But I guess if you solely play to win, you'll take any advantage you can get, huh. That's why there are so many top tier random players? Ever go on 20+ game losing streaks? Random is random, it's good for ladder and good for the game. Adapt. | ||
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
Other than it's imbalanced against Protoss on large maps =) | ||
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