EPTWhy you shouldnt be playing random on ladder. - Page 6
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Santi
Colombia466 Posts
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PatouPower
Canada1119 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:41 PatouPower wrote: You know, instead of playing the same race 10 games in a row, you could simply tell your opponent at the beginning of the game what is your race. Most people will trust what you say (I've never had someone lie me by doing so, that would be retard), and then you can play a standard game. Maybe a few people will still play a non standard game because they aren't confident, but probably not since it's the worst feeling in the world to do so. Or simply alternate races instead of playing random. | ||
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Martacus
25 Posts
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XERtirips
United States123 Posts
With all the "Anti-Random" threads that has been popping up lately the answer seems to be yes, at least according to the thread creators of said threads. This thread isnt anti-random ^^ (_________ ^ if you read as "is" I made a mistake.) You know, instead of playing the same race 10 games in a row, you could simply tell your opponent at the beginning of the game what is your race. I stated this thread wasnt directed towards randoms such as described. :p | ||
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XERtirips
United States123 Posts
Or simply alternate races instead of playing random. Thats what I do. To all of you thinking this is; Anti-random, hating against randoms. It isnt. I even play random if you read the very first sentence. -_- I just don't choose random, I just alternate between races. | ||
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Latringuden
Sweden79 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:22 malaan wrote: Maybe I am being a dick move, but if I come up against random on ladder I just leave.... it always turns out to be a totally awkward / funky game that more or less ends because he does some crazy all in and fails / succeeds that you can only get away with playing Random.. Imo it's not a dick move to give away free wins. But if you don't play these kind of games you will be at a loss when someone does something unorthodox which gives you a huge weakness. Since you seem to be a high level player (mentioning smurf GM's) this must suck for you. My tip is that you just all-in instead. A 4-gate as P, 1/1/1 or 2rax as T and roach or baneling bust as Z would give you a higher win rate in the MU (up from zero), some good training against/with unorthodox games and more experience. Btw: Could someone explain to me how the only thing that matters in the meta game is the opening? | ||
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hahagag
United States16 Posts
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:59 hahagag wrote: You could always just tell the other player your race. I dont believe people when they just straight up tell me their race, i mean one guy said he was protoss and then i show up with a scout and hes 6 pooling me. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1079 Posts
Let's say someone feels that Zerg is imbalanced and therefore just leaves against every Zerg - is that the Zerg's fault? Or even if he doesn't leave and feels that "every game against Zerg just turns into an awkward all in that wouldn't work unless he was Zerg ("Stupid Zerg only wins cause of banelings! If he didn't play Zerg banelings would totally not work!!!!1!111 :,,( QQTTQQ!!") Isn't that just the QQer's fault for being a wuss and not trying to develop a decent strategy for the match-up? It sounds like to me that since there is no "walkthrough" for XvR everyone is just whining because they don't have something telling them exactly what to do each time. | ||
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Serek
United Kingdom459 Posts
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
On August 23 2012 07:12 Fluffboll wrote: With all the "Anti-Random" threads that has been popping up lately the answer seems to be yes, at least according to the thread creators of said threads. OT: If someone wants to play random, let them play random... why all these threads? People who have no imagination have learned an abc way of playing. When the abc way doesn't work. Something is wrong and since they're "playing by the book" the wrong must be else where. This line of thinking is extremely common in poker. People just don't comprehend the complexities of the game. They think that there is one correct way to play. Basically what they want is for you to do exactly what they do. So that they have a chance in hell to understand how you are thinking. So they can win ;-) You must realize that the people who say "random bad". Well they're exactly the same people who say "rushing bad macro good", "Race/Unit X OP". Who play the exact same opening every game. Who have no clue what metagame even means. They do have whining down to a science though =) They are basically robots. Dare not challenge their circular logic or you will be damned ^^ I am a Zerg who played random for portraits and now is forced to play terran & toss because I ran out of wins ;-) Sometimes I rush or do a timing, sometimes I turtle/macro & sometimes I tech. It depends on the matchup, how I feel & in team games what my allies want to do. Ps. Is it really that bad if you learn how to adapt to circumstances? | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
However, such an advantage generally does not surmount the disadvantage of not being specialized into the skills of using a single race. It's a trade-off and it's not efficient. I think random should be a legitimate choice, and I think it's fair that people should have to change their build if they tend to play the meta game too much (playing standard). For me when I'm against a random the only thing that changes is I'll always send a scout drone, when normally I only do-so in ZvZ. On August 23 2012 10:07 Arghmyliver wrote: It sounds like to me that since there is no "walkthrough" for XvR everyone is just whining because they don't have something telling them exactly what to do each time. I guess that sounds kinda plausible. Overall random players shouldn't be an issue regardless if that's the issue or not. I'd much rather have 3-enemy-spawn maps removed from the game than random as a race choice because that causes much more randomness problems than just the random race feature does. | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
It was such a simple concept yet I only understood it after reading the TLDR. To people saying that opening don't matter below masters... well, they do matter at least in diamond and plat, opening gateway expand against a 15 hatch or econ pool zerg still puts the toss behind because both players are quite bad. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Everyone talks about "I never cheese because it won't help me get better in the long run," "I won't get any better if I play Random because I can't focus on one race," "I only cheese random since it's bad practice since it's not really used high up anyways" or even this right now of "you won't learn as well if you play random because the metagame is different." Give me a break. If you're not going to become pro, who the fuck cares if you improve in the long run at as fast of a rate? Enjoy the damn game. Most people have plateaued anyways, at least with random you'll be at an area you can improve facets of your gameplay. Who cares about only playing standard since it's supposedly the only worthwhile way to play? If you're not going to go pro, enjoy the game, and enjoy the damn money you paid for your game. I paid $60 to play SC2, I have a day job, and I have no intention of going pro. I play Random to enjoy all 3 races. | ||
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kaboombaby
United States90 Posts
Random may force some matchups outside of the current meta but at the end of the day that's more variety for the Starcraft experience. I enjoy my matches against random generally because I find I have to wake myself up from my established routine and actively think about the game for a few seconds before I mindlessly plow into a 16 minute plan to win the game. Most of the high masters random players that I've encountered play extremely standard games within the current meta. There are probably a number of people out there abusing the race to get a marginal advantage at the beginning of a game but I fail to see how that impacts the game all that much. Even the players "abusing" random to get a slight advantage will probably find themselves gaining proficiency with all 3 races in the process, which is the point of random if I'm not mistaken . Also a lot of this was already covered in the Random thread posted within the past week. | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
Would be nice if it would though, because at the same time it disrupts their metagame, it also disrupts the person they are playing. | ||
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TheRageKage12
United States161 Posts
I mean seriously, are you that bad at the game that you can't scout your oppoenent and then have to come QQ on TeamLiquid about it? If you're super worried about a random player when you hit them on ladder, just send a scout 1 earlier. So if you usually scout at 9, send one at 8. It really doesn't affect your game or build that much to scout early. The only bad thing about having a Random option when choosing your race in the game is that it gives people the opportunity to make threads like these. | ||
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BlueEagle
United Kingdom75 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:08 AndAgain wrote: I think some people play random just because they want to play all races. That's unnecessary because you can just use a random number generator and alternate races. Only reason to play random is if you want to hide your race. Or they just don't want to fuck about just to play a video game? | ||
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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