EPTWhy you shouldnt be playing random on ladder. - Page 20
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
bottom line is, random players know why they choose random, let's not pretend otherwise please EDIT: what this guy said above me! exactly that! when i wanna troll people, offensive gg, 6pool all day, i play random. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 25 2012 20:33 theBALLS wrote: I always play protoss. Yesterday I accidentally clicked random, spawned as zerg. 6pooled and won. This is why I agree with you. lol you could have done the same after picking zerg. small sample size, no? or did i miss the sarcasm. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 25 2012 20:49 snailz wrote: let's be honest with each other, most of us only play random when we want to entertain ourselves. so while it's a great choice for lower leagues players, i can't belive there's actually someone higher than diamond (arbitrary line where you start taking sc2 more seriously) that will try to argue playing random is good for you. it's not, it's completely different game, and when you win it's fine, sc2 is a coinflippy game, but when you loose you loose horribly. i did a lot of random in the past but i absolutely hated getting outclassed in a straight up matches, so i stopped abusing the advantage it gave me. bottom line is, random players know why they choose random, let's not pretend otherwise please EDIT: what this guy said above me! exactly that! when i wanna troll people, offensive gg, 6pool all day, i play random. no need to generalize random players...thats one of the big issues here. i play random because i enjoy all races and i dont depend on metagame or builds or some outside shenanigans and only trust on my mechanics that transitioned from long period of bw. for the sake of keeping the whiners quiet and deterring those who actually looks forward to unknown factor, blizzard should change it to "Random Zerg, Random Protoss, Random Terran." | ||
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Misacampo
167 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:24 Acritter wrote: You're a pretty bad "high masters" player, then. Gateway expand is getting more popular, yes, but there's absolutely nothing as safe and reliable as FFE. That's like taking gasless FE away from Terran. Furthermore, there are many other builds that are simply disallowed in such a situation: Nexus First, 3 Hatch before gas (hell, even Hatch first is forbidden because your opponent could 10pool you), and probably more that haven't come to mind. To make matters worse, what if it's a four-player map like Antiga and you scout your opponent last? You have to start directing your build at that point (how many gas, how many Nexus chronos, additional gates/tech/expand) without having ever scouted your opponent, even if you sent out a ~9scout. This is very rapidly approaching the point of the unreasonable. Random players, like yourself, simply aren't playing the same game as the rest of us. You're playing a coin-flippy game that poorly demonstrates skill. So I won't respect you until you start playing random properly: by rolling a die before queueing up each game to choose your race. Basically you're mad because you have 1 build per matchup and don't know how to adapt when a random unknown variable comes up. You can hold 10 pool with hatch first.... Learn new builds instead of qqing. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On August 25 2012 21:38 IntoTheheart wrote: Does anyone else here only play Random because they think that it's the most fun? I agree that as far as improving your skills it might not be the best but then again I personally only play SC for fun so improving skills isn't really a priority. In any strategy game I have ever played I always picked random, I like being exited to see what I am playing. I just don't plan my games as much as others do. Improving is nice but when I play I do it for fun, not to execute some strategies I saw in a tournament. I am anyway way to undisciplined to stick to a build order. Ingame I am always random, why not at picking the race? Some people are just not very competitive people and don't care about such things. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
When my opponent asks me what's my race i tell him "random", i'm at a disadvantage when i pick random and the only advantage i have is my opponent not knowing was race do i have. So i can do whatever i want until he scoots me, i don't see why i would tell him my race to prevent him from scouting me. Like fast expanding to have a better economy because i know he'll play safe. Some people play random to cheese, some don't. I see no reason why you would remove the random option. Too bad you're losing to them everytime, maybe you should practice more instead of making pointless threads with false assumptions. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On August 25 2012 21:50 Nyarly wrote: When I play random, i don't cheese with it, i just don't want to pick a race before starting a game, i like the change. When my opponent asks me what's my race i tell him "random", i'm at a disadvantage when i pick random and the only advantage i have is my opponent not knowing was race do i have. So i can do whatever i want until he scoots me, i don't see why i would tell him my race to prevent him from scouting me. Like fast expanding to have a better economy because i know he'll play safe. Some people play random to cheese, some don't. I see no reason why you would remove the random option. Too bad you're losing to them everytime, maybe you should practice more instead of making pointless threads with false assumptions. you're a joke. i'm 1v1 masters player on EU and i almost entirely don't hit random players any more. so maybe they should practice more ^^ | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Playing vs random sucks if u take sc2 very seriously, since u dont learn much from losing or beating them (personal experience only), whenever I won felt like free-wins, whenever i lost i was annoyed cuz mostly they were BO losses or funky cheeses. There are like 2-3 random player, who gave me good games, both Finnish i think. I think their IDs were Truerandom and Ready. But then again, i met few random players That being said, i also messed around with playing Random, though on alt acc. I always told my race, but few believed me. I also learnt, that most people (not just me) are really annoyed playing against random cuz many R players are just trolls who do some abusive cheese every game. (respect for the exceptions). BUT, far be it from me to tell someone how to play the game. If someone has fun with random, who's to say that they're playing the game wrong. 99% of the players are not at competitive level, so the primary objective of the game is to entertain the player. | ||
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
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nemonic
132 Posts
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Nairi
Finland75 Posts
hi, I am a protoss player trying really hard to practice so I can go pro. I have this problem with random players (and players that does not follow the standard metagame.) Random zergs are the worst as then I cannot play standard and that completely ruins my practice, but I dont want to just leave as then I will lose points on the ladder. So please stop playing random as that will not be good practice for you nor me, or if you are playing random I want to you say your race so that my practice nor yours will be ruined. Because noone can play standard vs random so you will not get to practice standard play. But I really think you should pick a race because you cant go pro unless you practice really hard with standard play(for mechanics) and there are no pro random players clearly showing that its impossible to play random and go pro. /trolling disabled on a more serious note: 1.just learn to play gateway first vs zerg, there are many ways to make it work, if you need help with that ask in the protoss help me thread. 2. not everyone wants to go pro 3. not everyone likes the standard metagame nor wants to even play it. 4. who the #%& do you think you are to tell others how they should play the game? | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
If you're terran or zerg however you can safely go rax / pool into cc / hatch. | ||
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ChoboDane
Denmark98 Posts
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On August 25 2012 21:32 Misacampo wrote: Basically you're mad because you have 1 build per matchup and don't know how to adapt when a random unknown variable comes up. You can hold 10 pool with hatch first.... Learn new builds instead of qqing. Random variables have no place in a strategy game. That's why there are no random effects in the game. I'm sorry, but saying that people are whining because of a random variable in an rts is a perfectly valid point in my view. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
I'm a high masters player with a lot of other masters friends and we all think that this anti-random thinking is a laughing matter. We've laughed about it on skype. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On August 26 2012 01:50 Tao367 wrote: Random variables have no place in a strategy game. That's why there are no random effects in the game. I'm sorry, but saying that people are whining because of a random variable in an rts is a perfectly valid point in my view. It's not that random of a variable. It's not like your opponent's randomness is hidden from you until you scout him. You know he's random. Play safer than normal. If you're worried about random cheese, don't go for a greedy opening. Losing one game on ladder to random cheese isn't the end of the world. Sure, it's a little bit of a bummer, but just queue up again and keep it in mind if you play that person again ever. That's pretty much all you need to do. Shrug it off and keep rolling. And if you're playing someone in random on an actual tournament level (though I haven't seen that in a long time), do a little research, see what's going on. Edit: I agree with this: On August 26 2012 01:56 Lumi wrote: These opinions about random are s o ignorant and wrong. Stop making threads like this, please. Nobody good at the game is actually complaining about random. Notice how it's only low caliber players trying to weigh in on this supposed issue. And only lately. Like oh no we suddenly have a problem that random exists. This is an unfunny joke  | ||
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