EPTOn August 19 2012 23:46 Saat wrote:
Furthermore i guess he is awful with 2 races. :D
Furthermore i guess he is awful with 2 races. :D
i could beat you easily with all 3 races.
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
i could beat you easily with all 3 races. | ||
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Saat
France65 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:47 multiversed wrote: i could beat you easily with all 3 races. You are from NA, i doubt it. <3 | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
i don't play on NA. walking into a thread of randoms trying to justify why they are so beta is pretty amusing, but i have to go. | ||
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ChitinMan
United States49 Posts
Hey now Mr EU server  | ||
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Saat
France65 Posts
Was just a troll, because the fact he wanted to show he has the biggest made me laugh. Anyway, random is harder, i guess ppl who refuses to admit it are just blind. So let random in peace, plz, they are human, they deserve respect also, when they aren't only cheeser. | ||
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ChitinMan
United States49 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:52 Saat wrote: Was just a troll, because the fact he wanted to show he has the biggest made me laugh. Anyway, random is harder, i guess ppl who refuses to admit it are just blind. So let random in peace, plz, they are human, they deserve respect also, when they aren't only cheeser. I random most of the time. Its harder, but a lot more fun and rewarding. See you on the ladder, brotato chip | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
In fact I think gateway first is a better opening that FFE, I have a lot more trouble vs it than FFE (High masters) Even if you are 'behind' from not FFE you should be able to make up for that diff since you arent a random player and then natually should be better since you dodnt have to play as many matchups. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:53 ChitinMan wrote: I random most of the time. Its harder, but a lot more fun and rewarding. See you on the ladder, brotato chip To elaborate on just how hard random is. Assuming you use 3 different build orders per match up. A player who masters one race will only have to practice 9 build orders. A player who plays Random, has to learn and practice 27 build orders. It's not even comparable. Trying to maintain a high level of play in every single match up is insanely difficult which is why there are no professional random players despite that early game random advantage. If the random advantage meant anything worthwhile at all, there would be at least a couple professional random players. The fact is, there aren't any because of how hard it is to play all 9 match ups at a high level. | ||
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Kasu
United Kingdom345 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:46 multiversed wrote: you should look up the definition of the word evidence. perhaps also the words ego, compensate, and justify. Edit: Deleted, clearly fell for trollbait. | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:58 Kasu wrote: I think your original post was a pretty clear example of someone forcing his subjective views onto other people and making assumptions about their decisions based upon his own opinions. Vindicare makes the -perfectly reasonable- inference that you think your opinion is much more important than anyone else's and you call him out for ego issues? you are wrong. | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:58 Vindicare605 wrote: To elaborate on just how hard random is. Assuming you use 3 different build orders per match up. A player who masters one race will only have to practice 9 build orders. A player who plays Random, has to learn and practice 27 build orders. It's not even comparable. Trying to maintain a high level of play in every single match up is insanely difficult which is why there are no professional random players despite that early game random advantage. If the random advantage meant anything worthwhile at all, there would be at least a couple professional random players. The fact is, there aren't any because of how hard it is to play all 9 match ups at a high level. that is what they signed up for, however the reality ends up being far different. you are giving yourself way too much credit. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
You have understand that on the ladder this game is just that for the most part, a game. As such, get over it. That's exactly my reasoning for playing random. This is a game, and although yes I like to win and yes I do like ladder points, the number one reason I play is for my enjoyment. I've tried playing Zerg, Protoss, and Terran, and I've always come back to Random. Not only do I enjoy getting a new race every game, but I also enjoy the spontaneity of not knowing the matchup until the second the game loads. It adds a little spice and excitement to me. The haters have to understand that there's a lot of random players that resent the reputation they've been given. Every ladder game I play where I play against a random I do the same shit you guys do. Scout all over my base, scout into the third, 9 scout their base, play super safe. I understand the reputation of Randoms, I encounter it every time I'm on the ladder. That being said I also hit a random player like once out of every 25 games and it's usually a free win when I defend their shitty cheese or all-in. So suck it up, and enjoy your free ladder points. Another aside is that if random players were playing just for ladder points it would probably be more productive for them just to pick a race and have some well mapped out cheeses with that race. Everyone is suspicious when they play a random player. And even excluding that cheesy majority, I know most macro randoms well tell you the same thing, if they wanted to win more they would pick a race. My Protoss is heads and shoulders above my other races, it really is super easy, and if I really every wanted to wrench myself out of diamond I would just pick Toss and work on that. Alas I play for fun, not for a little star icon on my B.net profile. The last thing I have for you is a solution. Just cheese the shit out of every random you see on the ladder. For the most part random's have less matchup knowledge than players who are solely devoted to one race. Every Terran player who's been ladder for the last 4 months has been roach bane all-ined so many times they can defend it in their sleep. I've had it done to me like twice? And have only theories on how to beat it. Every terran has gone to late game against templar colossi chargelots and understands where to position all their units to beat it. I keep picking the worst places for my vikings. And every Zerg knows how to sit on spines make a million broodlords and infestors and kill a Protoss. Well actually, that's pretty easy so I know how to do that too. My point is you don't have to just whine and do nothing about it. Just find a solution if you hate it so much. You can't FFE against a zerg? Find a solution. You don't have to FFE every game against a zerg. Especially it today's metagame where every ZvP is quick three hatch a one base build might just kill the zerg straight up. There's lots of options out there. Go find one. | ||
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AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
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ZeraX
France14 Posts
And on a side note, it's saddening that random players get so much hate, (e.g because of other randoms that cheese ). I mean just getting insulted right in the beginning of the game, just because you play random is really sad. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:47 multiversed wrote: i could beat you easily with all 3 races. Watch out guys we got a badass over here. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On August 20 2012 00:00 multiversed wrote: that is what they signed up for, however the reality ends up being far different. you are giving yourself way too much credit. Not enough actually, I was undershooting it a little bit. I practice somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-6 build orders in just TvT, and around 4-5 in TvZ. If I wanted to be realistic about how many build orders I practice on ladder and in customs it'd look more like this. TvT: 6 TvZ: 5 TvP: 4 ZvZ: 4 ZvP: 3 ZvT: 3 PvZ: 4 PvT: 3 PvP: 4 Overall. I practice around 37 build orders that I rotate between depending on how I feel like approaching each match up. ( I go through phases where I really want to avoid Collosus play for example.) If I was interested in being as efficient a ladder grinder as possible, I'd practice one race and one or two build orders per match up that I would practice to perfection over and over again but then how much of the game am I really playing? I'm just basically repeating the same couple scenarios over and over again. | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
I actually prefer getting random opponents. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
You can be a solid mid master random if you have good mechanics, you only need mechanics to get that far anyway. I'm currently playing random and am at low masters, still terrible with zerg but it's going good. It's all about mechanics as I said, all that nonsense about BO's and strategy is not needed up till high masters -_- | ||
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On August 19 2012 23:58 Vindicare605 wrote: To elaborate on just how hard random is. Assuming you use 3 different build orders per match up. A player who masters one race will only have to practice 9 build orders. A player who plays Random, has to learn and practice 27 build orders. It's not even comparable. Trying to maintain a high level of play in every single match up is insanely difficult which is why there are no professional random players despite that early game random advantage. If the random advantage meant anything worthwhile at all, there would be at least a couple professional random players. The fact is, there aren't any because of how hard it is to play all 9 match ups at a high level. I am not denying that random is harder. What I will ask you though is this: Do you know 27 build orders? Do you use 27 build orders? I'm guessing not. Also, that is your choice to do that, you have the option of queueing as random or a specific race, so why should I care? | ||
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
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