Random and its place on the ladder - Page 47

On August 23 2012 08:05 mostevil wrote:

Funny but as a random player on the other side of this thinking, that ratio looks really odd. I get a lot of wins because of this mentality. I counter all-ins by scouting them, it's super effective (it works vs the dirty kind of random player you describe too). It's fun trying to work out what he's up to based on what you've seen and then deciding how to handle it to be as far ahead as you can without being dead. Making your own blind 1 base build and rolling that dice against his isn't a much of a strat, especially if you convince yourself its some kind of moral high ground.

But then I like to play adaptive and I like to try different things. I rarely go the same build twice in a row, even in the unlikely event that I do roll the same matchup and see the same opener. It's not fun for me and fun is why I play.

On August 23 2012 08:18 aviator116 wrote:
The ironic thing is most people will cheese randoms, even when the random player is going absolutely standard.

On August 23 2012 10:57 Tao367 wrote:
Just to say, I didn't expect this thread to get as many hits and spark as big of a debate as this when I made it.

With the benefit of hindsight, I would have not called the thread "random and its place on ladder". I understand this title made many random players assume I was insulting them personally for playing random. As a result I would like to, and have done many times in this thread, clarify I was not out to attack random players personally, just the mechanic. Had I known that this thread would have been as "popular" as this, I'd have named it something like "random in its current form".

That said, I still standby my original stance of personally believing that showing the actual race (with no indication that the player is random) is something I, and a few others would like to see as a personal preference.

Once again, apologies for any offence caused.

On August 23 2012 11:05 CubEdIn wrote:


But can you honestly say you never learned anything from playing against random? Like how to respond to X build or bounce back from Y situation?
Is it so horrible to have a 3% variety in your games? Even if that variety is sometimes annoying, I think it helps with your build adjusting/reactions/overall skill.

Also, saying that playing against random is unfair because the players choose random but you don't have a choice is like saying zerg is unfair because they get to choose zerg while you don't get to choose who you play against, and you just want to practice your vT and vP.
I think people are trying to revert to PGT/ICCup days when you'd join games and people would kick you if you're not the race they wanted to play against.

To the guys who talk about save expansions.
Thats the last you want to do vs random.
All early expansions can die to allins and get far behind against super greed ( what most randoms do) .
So as protoss i would 4 gate, a random all the time. Most time he go nexus / cc first and autoloose.


1 rax fe is not a save build per se.
How save it is depends on what you do after the cc.
If you play the way its save, you are far behind a opponent who plays it not save.
But thats the normal sc2 gamble.

With the benefit of hindsight, I would have not called the thread "random and its place on ladder". I understand this title made many random players assume I was insulting them personally for playing random. As a result I would like to, and have done many times in this thread, clarify I was not out to attack random players personally, just the mechanic. Had I known that this thread would have been as "popular" as this, I'd have named it something like "random in its current form".

That said, I still standby my original stance of personally believing that showing the actual race (with no indication that the player is random) is something I, and a few others would like to see as a personal preference.

Once again, apologies for any offence caused.

On August 23 2012 11:24 The Final Boss wrote:
There are all these random players posting in this thread about how they hold off all sorts of cheeses, but honestly when I play random players and wind up cheesing them I win a huge percentage of my games. I haven't met that many since I started playing a couple of weeks ago again, but like 5 months ago when I was mid-Masters I would win almost all of my vR games doing silly one base cheeses, and regardless of the map it was on.