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On August 10 2012 23:02 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 22:42 a3den wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. Yeah this is some TSL PR, he's good PR to them. As he should be. In other news, is he actually playing GSL in November? that's awesome!
Yesterday he said during his stream, that he will try to play in a GSL before the end of the year.
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On August 10 2012 21:35 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 21:04 Zeon0 wrote: [...] Stephano is as good as the best Koreans at a offline tournament or in ladder, but GSL is quite different, because you have to prepare for a certain opponent. imo the crucial point will be if Stephano is able to do so Because you can prepare for a certain opponent from round to round means that cup/tournament is harder to win than "weekend tournaments"?! I don't think. In those "weekend tournaments" like MLG, IPL you have to be prepared in all matchups to win those tournaments, this is for me the crucial point for all players. i didnt say its easier/harder. its different, Stephano hasn't prooved himself in this setting but others have
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My favourite foreigner in a house with my favourite team, not bad
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GL Stephano.... hopefully your 2 weeks pays off @ MLG!
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hf in korea stephano!!! gl there! hope you win the GSL
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On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know...
All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.
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On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies. If it didn't help him, why would he even go? I doubt he'd take such a long trip for PR reasons as you say.
I'm certain he will improve a bit, especially in ZvZ.
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On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.
Don't want to offend to him, nor you if you're one of his fan, but considering Idra's (or HuK's, TLO's, ToD's) skill and results, before and after months in Korea, i wouldn't trust the gracken either.
BTW, we agree on one point : I doubt Stephano will progress much in Korea either.
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On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.
pretty sure this is coming from pro's that were not good enough to compete at the highest level in first place. They go to Korea, they are still not good enough to beat x, blame it on the time in korea being too short.
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On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies. Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all...
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so Stephano play at MLG, doesnt win but only gets like 4th or something and people will say training in Korea is useless.
u can quote me after MLG ...
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I feel like Stephano is the "new" Mondragon! Like he has so big potential atm. Hope he uses it well.
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It seems a bit pointless to only stay in Korea for 10 days.
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On August 11 2012 02:11 pStar wrote: It seems a bit pointless to only stay in Korea for 10 days.
Maybe he's checking out how he would like it and if he likes it he will go back for a longer stay.
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On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.
Idra is not elite, and of course is 100% correct in saying for him and most pros that have gone to Korea need more time, MUCH more time. This is more in tune with my analogy in the fact that you need to be sharp in order to be fine tuned. Of all the foreigners who have gone to Korea (for SC2) even Naniwa is a far second to the skill shown by Stephano.
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On August 11 2012 03:21 StreetWise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies. Idra is not elite, and of course is 100% correct in saying for him and most pros that have gone to Korea need more time, MUCH more time. This is more in tune with my analogy in the fact that you need to be sharp in order to be fine tuned. Of all the foreigners who have gone to Korea (for SC2) even Naniwa is a far second to the skill shown by Stephano. I just don't see a reason to assume that the difference in skill between Stephano and the other foreigners who have gone to Korea will bear on the amount of time it takes to see improvement from playing in Korea. Surely there is no principle that is uniform across knives, physical sports and Starcraft. The process of improving Starcraft skill is very different than those things because it is heavily dependent on building ingrained habit, which takes time. For example you dont just see a new attack timing and then magically know how to defend it. Not only that but practice at the pro level is also map dependent. Stephano is no more used to Korean playstyles, timings, refinement and metagame than huk idra etc.
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On August 11 2012 00:48 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies. Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all...
His word is truth itself.
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On August 11 2012 08:05 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 00:48 Dosey wrote:On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote: Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing. For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting. Too many analogies, I know... All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies. Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all... His word is truth itself. no doubt
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