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1ManArmy
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands895 Posts
August 10 2012 14:47 GMT
#281
On August 10 2012 23:02 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:42 a3den wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


Yeah this is some TSL PR, he's good PR to them.



As he should be.

In other news, is he actually playing GSL in November? that's awesome!


Yesterday he said during his stream, that he will try to play in a GSL before the end of the year.
Wouldst thou receive my all-in, cousin? - Choya
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:52:04
August 10 2012 14:48 GMT
#282
On August 10 2012 21:35 Dingodile wrote:
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On August 10 2012 21:04 Zeon0 wrote:
[...]
Stephano is as good as the best Koreans at a offline tournament or in ladder, but GSL is quite different, because you have to prepare for a certain opponent. imo the crucial point will be if Stephano is able to do so


Because you can prepare for a certain opponent from round to round means that cup/tournament is harder to win than "weekend tournaments"?! I don't think.
In those "weekend tournaments" like MLG, IPL you have to be prepared in all matchups to win those tournaments, this is for me the crucial point for all players.

i didnt say its easier/harder. its different, Stephano hasn't prooved himself in this setting but others have
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
August 10 2012 14:55 GMT
#283
My favourite foreigner in a house with my favourite team, not bad
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
August 10 2012 15:11 GMT
#284
GL Stephano.... hopefully your 2 weeks pays off @ MLG!
rG
Simsallabin
Profile Joined June 2012
Nepal216 Posts
August 10 2012 15:14 GMT
#285
On August 10 2012 23:36 johnnywup wrote:
does anyone have a link to stephanos kr acc?


He's playing on this:

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/2829480/1/이회창/matches#filter=solo
Woop!
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
August 10 2012 15:17 GMT
#286
hf in korea stephano!!! gl there! hope you win the GSL
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 10 2012 15:40 GMT
#287
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
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On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 10 2012 15:43 GMT
#288
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.

If it didn't help him, why would he even go? I doubt he'd take such a long trip for PR reasons as you say.

I'm certain he will improve a bit, especially in ZvZ.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 15:47:46
August 10 2012 15:46 GMT
#289
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.


Don't want to offend to him, nor you if you're one of his fan, but considering Idra's (or HuK's, TLO's, ToD's) skill and results, before and after months in Korea, i wouldn't trust the gracken either.

BTW, we agree on one point : I doubt Stephano will progress much in Korea either.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 15:48:09
August 10 2012 15:47 GMT
#290
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.



pretty sure this is coming from pro's that were not good enough to compete at the highest level in first place. They go to Korea, they are still not good enough to beat x, blame it on the time in korea being too short.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 10 2012 15:48 GMT
#291
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.

Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all...
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
August 10 2012 17:09 GMT
#292
so Stephano play at MLG, doesnt win but only gets like 4th or something and people will say training in Korea is useless.


u can quote me after MLG ...
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
August 10 2012 17:11 GMT
#293
I feel like Stephano is the "new" Mondragon! Like he has so big potential atm. Hope he uses it well.
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
August 10 2012 17:11 GMT
#294
It seems a bit pointless to only stay in Korea for 10 days.
Simsallabin
Profile Joined June 2012
Nepal216 Posts
August 10 2012 17:23 GMT
#295
On August 11 2012 02:11 pStar wrote:
It seems a bit pointless to only stay in Korea for 10 days.


Maybe he's checking out how he would like it and if he likes it he will go back for a longer stay.
Woop!
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
August 10 2012 18:21 GMT
#296
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.


Idra is not elite, and of course is 100% correct in saying for him and most pros that have gone to Korea need more time, MUCH more time. This is more in tune with my analogy in the fact that you need to be sharp in order to be fine tuned. Of all the foreigners who have gone to Korea (for SC2) even Naniwa is a far second to the skill shown by Stephano.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 19:51:06
August 10 2012 19:49 GMT
#297
On August 11 2012 03:21 StreetWise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.


Idra is not elite, and of course is 100% correct in saying for him and most pros that have gone to Korea need more time, MUCH more time. This is more in tune with my analogy in the fact that you need to be sharp in order to be fine tuned. Of all the foreigners who have gone to Korea (for SC2) even Naniwa is a far second to the skill shown by Stephano.


I just don't see a reason to assume that the difference in skill between Stephano and the other foreigners who have gone to Korea will bear on the amount of time it takes to see improvement from playing in Korea. Surely there is no principle that is uniform across knives, physical sports and Starcraft. The process of improving Starcraft skill is very different than those things because it is heavily dependent on building ingrained habit, which takes time. For example you dont just see a new attack timing and then magically know how to defend it. Not only that but practice at the pro level is also map dependent. Stephano is no more used to Korean playstyles, timings, refinement and metagame than huk idra etc.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
August 10 2012 23:05 GMT
#298
On August 11 2012 00:48 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.

Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all...


His word is truth itself.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
August 10 2012 23:10 GMT
#299
Good luck Stephano!
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 10 2012 23:11 GMT
#300
On August 11 2012 08:05 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 00:48 Dosey wrote:
On August 11 2012 00:40 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 10 2012 23:18 StreetWise wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:13 Doodsmack wrote:
Funny how this whole thread is about a mere 2 weeks in Korea lol. Considering he won't play GSL until November because he's "too busy", he probably won't be coming back to Korea right away. 2 weeks offers no benefit whatsoever...so yeah, more of a PR thing.


For a low level player two weeks is not enough time to really improve. However, for a highly skilled player like Stephano, on top of his game, this is more than enough time to fine tune his play. Just as an elite athlete can train with another for just a week or two and improve, a normal athlete would probably just be getting over being sore. Or another example would be going from course to fine when sharpening a knife. The knife has to be already sharp in order for it to continue sharpening on the fine setting.


Too many analogies, I know...



All I know is that other pros including IdrA have said that takes months before one would see a benefit from a Korean training house. I trust their word more than your blanket statement backed up by irrelevant analogies.

Well shit, if IdrA said it then we shouldn't even be discussing this. He is the end all, be all, authority figure on such matters after all...


His word is truth itself.

no doubt
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