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On August 09 2012 03:14 PauseBreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 03:08 ELA wrote:On August 09 2012 03:01 Artok wrote:On August 09 2012 02:54 PauseBreak wrote:
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud and ignorant stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.
Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.
nop, its only tears. What terran buff would you suggest, that wouldnt make gsl 60% terrans again? It's getting annoying seeing people bitch about balance without giving any suggestions.Why dont you just get better instead of whining on forums. p.s. im terran player myself. Did you change race? On February 14 2012 01:29 Artok wrote:
zvz,zvz,zvz, 2 base all in, 2 base all in, zvz, zvz, 2 base all in, zvz. Nothing else ;/ Exactly. He's Zerg. Ofc its balanced.
You could read my recent post and i can msg you my profile link, just pm me for that.
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I dont care what the stats say terran is very weak IMO. The stats dont show cheesy korean terrans that use powerfull attacks that are either a hit or miss. What about us terran players that want to use strategies that are not all-in but actually requires solid macro play. We are swallowed up in the 55.7% winrate of zerg players while the agressive coin flip terrans get away with the wins. So far I only know of one build that allows (sort of) solid macro play with harassment that doesnt lose you the game when you dont do significant damage. Its just weird how you hear zerg players say we terrans should be more "creative" as if TVZ is a white canvas on which you can paint all the colors of the rainbow and you are only limited by your imagination lololol
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On August 09 2012 03:13 speknek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 02:43 syriuszonito wrote:
Just like expected, game is pretty balanced on the highest lvl right now, QQ lazy foreign terrans get to work.
As for the "fun" fact, please give me the stats for zerg without stephano and drg or for toss without mc/other top toss ? cool story but drg and stephano havent won jack in july terran 100% carried by one player as always, so sad for international pro's 
I'm pretty sure Stephano won something alongside his 30000$ in july...
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On August 09 2012 03:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 03:10 -Duderino- wrote:
Need patch b4 hots. Get rid of autocast for chargelots and give terran snipe back, go ahead and make it so you can't snipe ultras. Do this and game is balanced. At this rate ultras will be immune to everything O_O
Except maraudeurs ofc 
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Zerg might be balanced but not fun to watch/play.
PvZ immortal sentry all in vs roaches to infestors.
TvZ T goes Hellion/banshee vs queens to infestors.
Honestly infestors need a nerf because they make all the matchups centered around them. I miss stuff like Mutas vs T every game.
The whole sniping tanks/avoid thors/turrets/marines made for a dynamic matchup.
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I tend to look more to changes in gameplay then these shity numbers.
A few months ago (or 1, i don't even know) terran had no clue at all what to do against zerg.
Now i see terrans with a lot more of a plan, a lot more pressure etc. Overall it's going up.
i was a bit worried when i saw zvt after the patch, but now i am calmed down by the play of good terrans.
Now, before anyone asks: i am zerg, so biased as hell. Also, i am platinum, so i don't understand anything of the game: i see a blob of units going across the map, strategy is totally useless for me. When i watch games, i am totally in awe of good mechanics. Also, i played brood war, so i probably should come off my high horse.
Edit + offtopic: Hey, i'm a ling now :D:D Can i now bash people for being new on tl? /jk
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You understand the irony of saying infestors need nerfed because they're in every game then immediately saying I miss mutas because they were in every game..?
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On August 09 2012 03:32 Probe1 wrote:
You understand the irony of saying infestors need nerfed because they're in every game then immediately saying I miss mutas because they were in every game..?
Mutas are more exciting then infestors. Infestors walk around with your deathball and cast fungal.
Mutas would fly around and harass, with a large risk/reward aspect.
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"proof" Terran is only "balanced" when you have "korean-level" control and multitask. Oh well "free wins" all around until HOTS arrives t.t
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There you have it. We should balance SC2 on your opinion of what is exciting, even if both units are viable. lol
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On August 09 2012 02:28 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 02:13 paddyz wrote:
Forreigner terrans not playing so great. It's always been like that. In foreign statistics tvz never looked bad for Zerg just kr. Also people have to realize international has lots of no name joes playing super good zergs.
Ok. Then it's fine to say that the only reason terran has done so well is because korean terrans are just better players.
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Look at that TvZ improvement! ...oh wait
Everything else looks fairly stable though
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Reminder that foreign terrans are simply worse than their zerg/protoss buddies, whereas korean terrans can't possibly be better than korean zergs/protosses.
Flawless logic coming from our alien players since the release of SC2.
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Taeja and Gumiho are the only Terrans from Korea that can beat a Z on any consistent basis from a macro standpoint, and to get into that position most of the time they are actually utilizing a pretty coin flip heavy build to punish greedy Z's. I don't think this will get any better until HOTS, or until they do some massive nerfing of Infestors/Blord deathball.
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Terrans down, karma bitches!
Jokes aside, I think this is just a phase which will be even more skewed when HotS finally comes around.
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On August 09 2012 03:32 Probe1 wrote:
You understand the irony of saying infestors need nerfed because they're in every game then immediately saying I miss mutas because they were in every game..?
And you understand the essence of his post that mutas were very dynamic and active, needing skill from both sides, in contrast to infestors, which sit there and wait for a group of units for the to fungle to death?
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I am terran and i think Its fine! But i am angry at all The Zergs WHO said Its balanced only because taeja and such terrans win. Remember that fruktdealer and nestea won when zerg was up... Sorry i was writeing from phone
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On August 09 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 01:46 Greenei wrote:On August 09 2012 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2012 01:25 Greenei wrote:
It's funny how the general consensus seems to be that "herp derp foreigner terran just need to be better" while also saying "korean terrans have the same skill as korean toss/zerg".
Why wouldn't it be possible to at least try to balance every level? Just make Toss and Zerg not so easy, it has been 3 month since Terran is the worst race internationally, I think it's time for a change. Why is the game imbalanced for "other levels" if one region has a nearly 50/50 win rate and another does not? And if the region with the 50/50 win rate is also considered to have the most advanced metagame, why should the game be rebalanced? Why do you assume the game isn't balanced for your skill level? Because the game makes more fun if the game is blanced. 99% of people who play this game are out of the balanced region. I can't see why they shouldn't matter at all. I am having a great time and I am still getting rocked by zerg, protoss and terran's alike. Have you ever considered that you might now be playing a paticular match up correctly? Or that your winrates are not that bad against people of the same skill lever? Why are your losses to "less skilled players" not the results of some bad decision you made, rather than the fault of some balance issue?
As long as I'm not playing at the MMRlimit longtime matchup statistics are indeed pretty much only dependent from my own MU-strengh. That's just how Battle.net works. But the problem is, that the Terrans I play are so much better then the Zergs and Tosses but they are still on the same level.
Yeah I know it's only my own opinion blablabla but the statistics show that at least there is a problem in the international scene. I don't see why that shouldn't be balanced at least too. Theres also money flowing in the smaller tourneys.
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On August 09 2012 01:56 hunts wrote:
So you had to dig back 11 months to find something I said to somehow prove that it's now ok to whine about balance? Congrats... I guess? I guess the balanced win rates in korea and T even being ahead of Z again still won't stop the diehard whiners.
Does it matter that it was 11 months ago?
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On August 08 2012 23:32 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:28 DoeniDon wrote:
Don't look bad at all!
If you listened to all the complaining lately, you'd think Zerg is at about 90% ... If you see all those terran nerfs and zerg buffs, you would think that terrans would start to do worse. But no, our top korean terrans can be nerfed as hard as you want, they will keep dominating. I hope that one day people realise that some korean terrans are just gods. On the other hand there are the high master / grandmaster terrans in EU and NA that suffer hard from those terran nerfs, because most of them don't have the time to practice 10 hours a day.
Terrans have started to do significantly worse, including in Korea? They went from making up like 75% of the GSL to now being properly represented. Just because they are still around 50% does not mean they aren't doing worse relatively, which is the only logical comparison one would make.
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tarrans really need to thank taeja :D
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