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syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
August 08 2012 17:43 GMT
#201
Just like expected, game is pretty balanced on the highest lvl right now, QQ lazy foreign terrans get to work.
As for the "fun" fact, please give me the stats for zerg without stephano and drg or for toss without mc/other top toss ?
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 17:45:01
August 08 2012 17:44 GMT
#202
I think the reason Zerg is a lil more equal in match ups now, is that the other races are learning how to deal with them since that Queen patch.

Edit: Pretty happy with how things look right now in terms of balance.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 08 2012 17:45 GMT
#203
On August 09 2012 02:28 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 02:13 paddyz wrote:
Forreigner terrans not playing so great.

It's always been like that. In foreign statistics tvz never looked bad for Zerg just kr. Also people have to realize international has lots of no name joes playing super good zergs.

I completely agree with you here, what we have here is lots of no name terrans playing zerg stars and skewing the graphs, if only these new and old stars had picked terran everything would be different.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 17:59:10
August 08 2012 17:54 GMT
#204
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.

Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.



Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 08 2012 17:59 GMT
#205
p1cKLes : haha DAT GRAPH :D
Terran & Potato Salad.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
August 08 2012 18:01 GMT
#206
On August 09 2012 02:54 PauseBreak wrote:
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud and ignorant stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.

Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.




nop, its only tears. What terran buff would you suggest, that wouldnt make gsl 60% terrans again? It's getting annoying seeing people bitch about balance without giving any suggestions.Why dont you just get better instead of whining on forums.
p.s. im terran player myself.
Chun-li since ST
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
August 08 2012 18:02 GMT
#207
Why are there so many cries? In BW toss were OP until you were C+ in iccup where your mechanics are good enough to play against them. Stop creating a veil of invincibility around these koreans and just practice and get better. Yeah, its true that your micro/ macro will never be as good as mma/mkp/mvp etc etc, but the zergs you are playing arent nestea, drg, leenock, symbol. If you people cant get better at this game through practice (lets be honest here, you only need like 1-2 hours a day or 5-6 games a day to play sc2 at a decent level on ladder), go play LoL. Remember when protoss players are crying against zerg 24/7 because of the stephano build? Now look at the graph, do you know what changed between that time and now balance wise? Nothing. Any race imbalances can be overcome if you spend less time crying and more time practicing.
KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
August 08 2012 18:05 GMT
#208
Protoss players are the most amazing. The race that has statiscally struggled the most all through out the game's life. Terran has statiscally dorminated, and even with all those nerfs it's still doing alright. I am more impressed with protoss players, they whine less and rise to the occasion.

Protoss players in my opinion are the better players.
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:08:02
August 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#209
On August 09 2012 03:05 KingAce wrote:
Protoss players are the most amazing. The race that has statiscally struggled the most all through out the game's life. Terran has statiscally dorminated, and even with all those nerfs it's still doing alright. I am more impressed with protoss players, they whine less and rise to the occasion.

Protoss players in my opinion are the better players.


Who won the first couple of GSL's?
Who won the first couple of MLG's?
Where is this Terran dominance that you speak of?
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
August 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#210
On August 09 2012 03:05 KingAce wrote:
Protoss players are the most amazing. The race that has statiscally struggled the most all through out the game's life. Terran has statiscally dorminated, and even with all those nerfs it's still doing alright. I am more impressed with protoss players, they whine less and rise to the occasion.

Protoss players in my opinion are the better players.

I can't see neither sad marine nor sad zergling club, so i'm not sure about that part ^^
Chun-li since ST
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 08 2012 18:08 GMT
#211
On August 09 2012 03:01 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 02:54 PauseBreak wrote:
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud and ignorant stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.

Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.




nop, its only tears. What terran buff would you suggest, that wouldnt make gsl 60% terrans again? It's getting annoying seeing people bitch about balance without giving any suggestions.Why dont you just get better instead of whining on forums.
p.s. im terran player myself.


Did you change race?

On February 14 2012 01:29 Artok wrote:
zvz,zvz,zvz, 2 base all in, 2 base all in, zvz, zvz, 2 base all in, zvz. Nothing else ;/

The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:10:04
August 08 2012 18:09 GMT
#212
On August 09 2012 03:08 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:01 Artok wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:54 PauseBreak wrote:
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud and ignorant stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.

Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.




nop, its only tears. What terran buff would you suggest, that wouldnt make gsl 60% terrans again? It's getting annoying seeing people bitch about balance without giving any suggestions.Why dont you just get better instead of whining on forums.
p.s. im terran player myself.


Did you change race?

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:29 Artok wrote:
zvz,zvz,zvz, 2 base all in, 2 base all in, zvz, zvz, 2 base all in, zvz. Nothing else ;/


ye, i did recently, zerg was too boring, 1 build all the way :D while doing that dropped 2 leagues as well ^^
Chun-li since ST
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
August 08 2012 18:09 GMT
#213
I think its interesting that this is the first time in 12 months where protoss is not at the bottom, and terran is.
Marine -> masters
-Duderino-
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:10:52
August 08 2012 18:10 GMT
#214
Need patch b4 hots. Get rid of autocast for chargelots and give terran snipe back, go ahead and make it so you can't snipe ultras. Do this and game is balanced.
The Dude abides.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 08 2012 18:12 GMT
#215
On August 09 2012 03:10 -Duderino- wrote:
Need patch b4 hots. Get rid of autocast for chargelots and give terran snipe back, go ahead and make it so you can't snipe ultras. Do this and game is balanced.


At this rate ultras will be immune to everything O_O
Terran & Potato Salad.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
August 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#216
On August 09 2012 02:43 syriuszonito wrote:
Just like expected, game is pretty balanced on the highest lvl right now, QQ lazy foreign terrans get to work.
As for the "fun" fact, please give me the stats for zerg without stephano and drg or for toss without mc/other top toss ?

cool story but drg and stephano havent won jack in july


terran 100% carried by one player as always, so sad for international pro's
-Duderino-
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
August 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#217
On August 09 2012 03:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:10 -Duderino- wrote:
Need patch b4 hots. Get rid of autocast for chargelots and give terran snipe back, go ahead and make it so you can't snipe ultras. Do this and game is balanced.


At this rate ultras will be immune to everything O_O


Trust me ultras are not a problem Broodlord infestor is.
The Dude abides.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
August 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#218
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.


If this logic was actually something Blizzard followed, the queen buff would NEVER have happened, and neither would most of the terran nerfs.

Blizzard is babysitting the shit out of zerg and protoss because the races got a low skill cap. The ones who suffer are terrans, people who actually put in the time to practice the game, the entirety of the SC2 community that wants to watch and play good games, and anyone not at korean T level of play.
PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
August 08 2012 18:14 GMT
#219
On August 09 2012 03:08 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:01 Artok wrote:
On August 09 2012 02:54 PauseBreak wrote:
Koreans do not account for the "everyone". There is a clear line of skill between Koreans and other professionals. Dont' be proud and ignorant stating that "its balanced" because Koreans spend 18+ hours a day perfecting their crafting. Whereas other progessional teams don't come close to the work ethic of Koreans.
No one can just "micro" as good as MVP, MKP, MMA, Gumiho, and Taeja and call the race balanced.

Terran is broken. Its as simple as that. What is the end game goal of Terran? MMMGV every game?
Terran does not have a late game, and its early/mid is disappearing as the other races have figured out how to defend.
Its not tears, its just the way it is right now.




nop, its only tears. What terran buff would you suggest, that wouldnt make gsl 60% terrans again? It's getting annoying seeing people bitch about balance without giving any suggestions.Why dont you just get better instead of whining on forums.
p.s. im terran player myself.


Did you change race?

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:29 Artok wrote:
zvz,zvz,zvz, 2 base all in, 2 base all in, zvz, zvz, 2 base all in, zvz. Nothing else ;/



Exactly.
He's Zerg. Ofc its balanced.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
August 08 2012 18:14 GMT
#220
On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.

I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.


If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.


If you think nestea and jaedong are amazing SC2 players, then you are an idiot. Neither has posted particularly impressive games recently.

Jaedong still has a way to go, nestea is a hasbeen.

Here's why Zerg is such an easy race: stephano plays it because it is easy, and succeeds with it because it is easy.
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