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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:45 ELA wrote: Funny, find any Z's in here calling T's whiners, check their post history and you will most likely find something like this: Keep it classy This is absolute gold, you found the king balance hypocrite that the guy a few posts above me was talking about! | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
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cmcaneff5502
United States116 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:54 CaptainCrush wrote: This is absolute gold, you found the king balance hypocrite that the guy a few posts above me was talking about! Beautiful, beautiful post! haha i love seeing stuff like this, people so high on their silly high horse that they can't even see themselves down below ^^ It's interesting to me that people seem to consider the 871 games in korea more valuable and indicative of balance than the 2,642 games played internationally... just the fact that subtracting two players' results from the korean data can swing the z/t ratio several percentage points shows how inconclusive the korean data is. That sample size is too small to be the relavent figure. | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:54 CaptainCrush wrote: This is absolute gold, you found the king balance hypocrite that the guy a few posts above me was talking about! LOL, this is hilarious. Seriously though, interesting stats as always, P doing quite well in korea lately! | ||
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ShamW0W
160 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:01 cmcaneff5502 wrote: It's interesting to me that people seem to consider the 871 games in korea more valuable and indicative of balance than the 2,642 games played internationally... just the fact that subtracting two players' results from the korean data can swing the z/t ratio several percentage points shows how inconclusive the korean data is. That sample size is too small to be the relavent figure. The sample size isn't small enough to be insignificant though. The only reason I prefer the Korean statistics in general is that the level of play is generally higher so it's as close as you're going to get to removing the human element from the statistics. As an example, one could say that you should analyze stats based on Bronze-Diamond play instead of Masters-GM play because that sample size is larger. I think you can see that this approach wouldn't yield positive results.  | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:45 ELA wrote: Funny, find any Z's in here calling T's whiners, check their post history and you will most likely find something like this: Keep it classy bahaha, ultra nice thanks, that made my day | ||
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the_business_og
United States167 Posts
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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whatevername
471 Posts
On August 08 2012 23:35 CaptainCrush wrote: 5 percent imbalance is hardly that bad. No one complains at pvt 52%, with reason I'd say. Two percent is trivial. So a 3 percent increase on that is room for despair? I think lower level terrans need to merely accept: 1) they clearly havent been adopting the strategies of pro terrans as much as they should have 2) terran probably has the higher skill curve in the game. Unfortunately their metagame is to cheese or 1-base all in most of the time. The international terran win rate shows you what happens if you go beyond the early game :/ It seems to be a sc2 thing to say something like "terran is underpowered at lower levels". Thats nonsensical. Terran is weaker than other races when you play it really incompetently. OK. That doesnt matter; stop playing it incompetently. Terran probably had a higher skill curve in broodwar and the community never talked about imbalance at the lower levels in that way, it was merely accepted that if you wanted to play terran there would have to be quite a few mechanical/timing things youd have to iron out before you could really fly up the ranks, and it would be frustrating. C'est la vie. | ||
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Silky
United States260 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:20 whatevername wrote: 5 percent imbalance is hardly that bad. No one complains at pvt 52%, with reason I'd say. Two percent is trivial. So a 3 percent increase on that is room for despair? I think lower level terrans need to merely accept: 1) they clearly havent been adopting the strategies of pro terrans as much as they should have 2) terran probably has the higher skill curve in the game. It seems to be a sc2 thing to say something like "terran is underpowered at lower levels". Thats nonsensical. Terran is weaker than other races when you play it really incompetently. OK. That doesnt matter; stop playing it incompetently. Terran probably had a higher skill curve in broodwar and the community never talked about imbalance at the lower levels in that way, it was merely accepted that if you wanted to play terran there would have to be quite a few mechanical/timing things youd have to iron out before you could really fly up the ranks, and it would be frustrating. C'est la vie. When by "lower level" you mean where people can reasonable expected to pass, like plat+, it's acceptable even if not ideal. But if the "balanced" zone only consistent Korean pro-gamers, that becomes ridiculous. Is SC2 Terran learning curve so high that only people who are BETTER THAN FOREIGN PRO GAMERS can pass it? If it is, that's a pretty broken system. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:13 paddyz wrote: Forreigner terrans not playing so great. It's always been like that. In foreign statistics tvz never looked bad for Zerg just kr. Also people have to realize international has lots of no name joes playing super good zergs. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:28 blade55555 wrote: It's always been like that. In foreign statistics tvz never looked bad for Zerg just kr. Also people have to realize international has lots of no name joes playing super good zergs. And it doesn't work other way around as well ? Your bias is just mind blowing. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:10 ShamW0W wrote: <snip> On August 09 2012 02:01 cmcaneff5502 wrote: The sample size isn't small enough to be insignificant though. The only reason I prefer the Korean statistics in general is that the level of play is generally higher so it's as close as you're going to get to removing the human element from the statistics. As an example, one could say that you should analyze stats based on Bronze-Diamond play instead of Masters-GM play because that sample size is larger. I think you can see that this approach wouldn't yield positive results. 871 games are actually a lot though. People are still crying about the period like 09/2010 - 09/2011 where TvZ hovered around 60%, but there were only 1100+ games for the whole 12 months. Now we have almost 900 games for mere 3 months. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues This page lists the top two players from each tournament, for 61 total players. How many terrans on the list? Six . That means that if you average it, there's 22.5 protoss players, 22.5 zerg players, and 6 terran players making it to the finals of tournaments (some slots and two whole tournaments are ???). Only one of those 40 tournaments was won by a Terran player. The stats show, unless you practice 8-10 hours a day every like the very top end Koreans, you're pretty fucked as a Terran player. | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote: So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. Whatever you say Avilo. Why don't you try to qq a bit less... Woah terran losing for a couple of months and EVERYONE ABANDON SHIP YO! If P or Z players acted like you, top level games would be tvt exclusivy | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
Though, I will continue to march on. http://i46.tinypic.com/10py22r.jpg | ||
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