EPT[D] Widow Mine Fundamentally Flawed - Page 2
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
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JeffJohnson
Germany62 Posts
They will change a lot till the beta so this whole topic is pointless. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:36 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: Everything in HOTS is fundamentally flawed. With the new units everything from HOTS will be flawed too. Thats why theres a beta. Wait for it, play games, give feedback, wait for blizzard to patch, repeat from play games. No point talking about anything till then I think the issue is that most units from HotS seem sort of overpowered right now (intentionally, since Blizzard wants people to use them), whereas Widow Mine kind of seems bad. edit: and yes it is valid to say "the beta isn't out yet, wait a while," but the problem here is readily apparent even without actual gameplay testing (which we technically sort of have with HotS customs), and if Blizzard sees that and realizes that they're screwing up, they'll know it's something to consider tweaking | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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RiSkysc2
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:40 Lineridarz wrote: You're looking at the widow mine in a scenario where it was never meant to fill, it's meant to be a area control unit. Not a fighting unit. This. | ||
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buckKeefe
United States63 Posts
did anyone who played HotS at MLG notice if you can do hold-position/target micro with widow mines, in the style of the hold-position lurker from broodwar? that seems like it could make a big difference in this analysis | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
What's the point? | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
For example I recently bought a recorder to play the scale and experienced how difficult it is to get a single clear tone out of the flute. Looking someone playing the recorder and try it for oneself is very different. Thinking about playing an instrument without having it used oneself is almost entirely pointless. I think it's safe to say the same about Starcraft units. I give the OP that his conclusions seem to be sound. However I remember many theorycraft threads prior to the WoL launch. Almost any (very good explained) concern seems to be not true if one plays the real thing. | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
Doesn't invalidate your point though. | ||
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VPFaith
United States261 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:40 Lineridarz wrote: You're looking at the widow mine in a scenario where it was never meant to fill, it's meant to be a area control unit. Not a fighting unit. It's bad as an area control unit, too. It costs more than the cheap units of literally every single race, and it's trivially easy to micro away to mitigate the splash. Spider mines controlled space, but these are not spider mines. These are expensive versions of spider mines that are way worse. | ||
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Mongoose
United Kingdom190 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:43 VPFaith wrote: Can any Teamliquid admin close this thread? Using words like "FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED" is totally unjustified especially when Heart of the Swarm is not even out yet. Thank you admin. His belief is that the unit is fundamentally flawed, and then he stated his reasoning behind that statement. The purpose of said statement and reasoning is to increase awareness of a situation that currently exists. If when the beta out they've changed/removed the mine such that this situation no longer exists, discussion of said situation will be moot and we'll move on to what's valid then. Until that happens though, the situation is worth considering. Why shouldn't we discuss widow mines before beta is out? Let's say in beta the mine is exactly as it is now, why should op have to wait until then to post this thread? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I basically look at the stuff you've linked as box art for the digital download age. I doubt it will reflect actual game scenarios and I doubt even more that the widow mine will make it through beta as is. Sure makes the baneling silly though. Maybe LotV will have Reaver scarabs that are deployed from the robo facility so everyone can have a burrowed baneling! | ||
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PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
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Account252508
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:40 Lineridarz wrote: You're looking at the widow mine in a scenario where it was never meant to fill, it's meant to be a area control unit. Not a fighting unit. If it is not meant to fill that role why is it promoted like that? | ||
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