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[MLG] Format Changes at the Summer Championship - Page 8

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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 28 2012 00:07 GMT
#141
Wholesale format change without an updated map pool ? O_O;
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 28 2012 00:08 GMT
#142
On July 28 2012 09:06 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.

After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.

Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.

Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition.


My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations.

Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship.

Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier.

Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more?


Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what.

The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend.

MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision.


DRG Won the last championship


Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers?

Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over.

Why do people keep saying this like it's actually true? There's plenty of sports that uses tournament formats that have invites in form of aces and such to accomodate home favorites or players that for some reason haven't been able to qualify. It's not ruining those sports and it will not ruin sc2.


Which serious sport skips qualification events and just hand out invites to players who are popular? Plz tell me I would really love to know that. Its a joke and again that people actually defending this is really disturbing
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 28 2012 00:09 GMT
#143
If it is the Kespa players it really wont matter, they will just lose. Its like the host country for the World Cup, will South Africa win the world cup? no they wont, but its good for fans just like kespa players. With that said, I hope the invites go to GSL players that couldnt make arena.
#TheOneTrueDong
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
July 28 2012 00:09 GMT
#144
MLG can tweak all they want, but the extended series HAS to go. I doubt it'll go, though, seeing as they're still using Shakuras lol.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 00:10:48
July 28 2012 00:09 GMT
#145
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D

Edit:

Poll repost:

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!

Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#146
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.
#TheOneTrueDong
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 28 2012 00:21 GMT
#147
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.
Zest fanboy.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 28 2012 00:39 GMT
#148
On July 28 2012 09:21 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.


Gotta love those rocks! :D
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 28 2012 00:43 GMT
#149
On July 28 2012 09:39 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:21 sAsImre wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.


Gotta love those rocks! :D


they're actually cool on Ohana, Daybreak ie.
Tho lurker eggs are way more sexy :p
Zest fanboy.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 28 2012 00:45 GMT
#150
On July 28 2012 09:39 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:21 sAsImre wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.


Gotta love those rocks! :D

How much did Sundance's twitter posts make your blood boil?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 28 2012 00:47 GMT
#151
On July 28 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:39 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:21 sAsImre wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.


Gotta love those rocks! :D

How much did Sundance's twitter posts make your blood boil?


not enough to kill him.
Someone should just tweet shak/antiga TLPD
Tal Darim is statistically balance but provides way too much all ins/cheese and scrappy PvP
Zest fanboy.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 28 2012 00:51 GMT
#152
On July 28 2012 09:45 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:39 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:21 sAsImre wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:11 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 09:09 Diamond wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:58 TommyP wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:
Because why not?

Poll: MLG's Map Pool

Really bad! (422)
 
70%

Really good! (90)
 
15%

So-so (88)
 
15%

600 total votes

Your vote: MLG's Map Pool

(Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!



Sundance you cant vote dude....


lol :D


looks like Lee, Adam, JP, and Dustin Browder also voted.


Dustin voted so so he miss the rocks on Shakuras.


Gotta love those rocks! :D

How much did Sundance's twitter posts make your blood boil?


Not at all, map pool is not his fault or his call. He is likely just trying to figure out why people are mad. Map pool is sort of below Sundance's job responsibilities, which is why it's cool he's even getting involved.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 28 2012 00:51 GMT
#153
Really like the new format changes, hopefully top tier players will have an easier time making it through to the end stages rather than getting cheesed out fairly early on. The maps are meh, definitely could be worse but w/e and extended series still really needs to go
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
July 28 2012 00:55 GMT
#154
Interesting changes... I hope a good stable format will be found eventually so that it need not be changed every other MLG tournament. Wouldn't be surprised either if those unnamed 8 players will be KeSPA players.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 28 2012 00:55 GMT
#155
With extended series mentioned 24 times, I think it's obvious what we really want changed.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
July 28 2012 00:55 GMT
#156
I wish the maps were updated.
Luppa <3
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 28 2012 00:56 GMT
#157
On July 28 2012 06:40 Seiferz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 06:37 Noocta wrote:
In case MLG is clueless :

- Goldminerals on Antiga need to go ( perhaps the map too )
- Shakuras and Taldarim are too old.
- Get Ohana in.
- Stop modifying maps, there's a reason mapmakers make them like they are. ( metropolis island )


Are there really still golds on antiga? I thought everyone had fixed them to blues a long long time ago.


Gold were only a problem because mules mined more on them. But blizzard patched it but pretty much every tournament turned them to normal mineral patches. (Except MLG of course)
superspartan
Profile Joined May 2012
4 Posts
July 28 2012 00:58 GMT
#158
Sundance has been asking for statistical evidence on twitter for why the community doesn't like these maps, go tweet at him to try to get changes made instead of complaining on here where he wont see it.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 28 2012 01:00 GMT
#159
On July 28 2012 07:15 Luisa_2 wrote:
Wow kinda puzzling, had to read twice to get the sytem figured out.
Map pool issue again? I mean i was really, well let's call it "suprised", to put in a nice way , to see gold bases on Antiga and still Tal'darim in the pool. I mean really? Gold bases?!

P.S i don't really mind Shakuras, but I can see why Zergs complain with lategame split map situations.

Edit: and for god's sake don't replace a map with fckn Whirlwind, that map sucks ass!


PvZ on Shakuras is just terrible. No really good spot to take a 3rd so it pretty much leads into an automatic 2 base all in. Because the 3rd infront of the main is too open and the other 3rd that's the natural to another empty main ends up being too far to defend properly. So its just not Zerg to complain, sucks when your toss and you get stuck PvZ and either have to go really late game split map or 2 base all in
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
July 28 2012 01:03 GMT
#160
On July 28 2012 06:41 chipmonklord17 wrote:
" 24 players–including the Top 16 from the Summer Arena and eight players that will be announced later–will start in Group Play. They will eventually be joined by the last eight Open Winners Bracket Players."

Anyone else wondering about this? I'm thinking it might be 8 kespa guys (in fact I'd be willing to bet that it is) but still, not sure how I feel about this if they're invites and not qualifiers, which it sounds like is whats happening

EDIT: Because mules are no longer rediculous on gold bases I don't think its necessarily bad that theres still gold bases


I doubt the KeSPA players will be invited because their skill level is still below that of most players, and people want to see the highest level of play which very few KeSPA players have yet to attain. My guess is just the popular/non-Arena players like Polt or DRG who weren't able to qualify, but people would see them any day.
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