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what's the point of having arena's if you give 8 free seed ?
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Don't the Arena guys get airfare/hotel??
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On July 28 2012 08:24 IronManSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 07:37 MarcH wrote:
So to give MLG a helping hand I decided to create a good map pool (by asking prodiG on twitter) and here it is
Cloud Kingdom
Ohana
Daybreak
Khaydaria
Whirlwind
Thats a small compact map pool only 2 non ladder maps one is used by GSL so is likely to become more common anyway and you only have one sort of new map which is still getting played by top Korean pro's That would be one sick map pool
And it took all of 2 minutes to get it by asking someone smart on twitter. I mean the only map I may not have put in personally is Whirlwind but it would have been replaced with another newer GSL/GSTL map.
The real issue for me is that even someone like me who is new to The Starcraft community thanks to SC2 can look at BW and earlier SC2 tournaments and realize how big of a role maps play in this game and look at the current maps and decide what maps are good and which aren't to an ok standard but MLG seem incapable of doing this right now which is an issue.
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On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision.
DRG Won the last championship
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Russian Federation484 Posts
On July 28 2012 07:37 MarcH wrote:
So to give MLG a helping hand I decided to create a good map pool (by asking prodiG on twitter) and here it is
Cloud Kingdom
Ohana
Daybreak
Khaydaria
Whirlwind
Thats a small compact map pool only 2 non ladder maps one is used by GSL so is likely to become more common anyway and you only have one sort of new map which is still getting played by top Korean pro's
Ow shit son, that was awesome.
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Regarding the map pool. Shakuras is old and I rarely ever see good games on it. TDA is imbalanced and we see many six pools on this map. Its not that they are completely terrible, its just that there are far better maps that you could choose from. Sundance wanted stats, its not all about the win rates, it should be about seeing good games too.
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T_T MLG, why are you so weird:
1st: Map pool. No point talking about it, everyone who pays attention at all to SC2 can see its outdated and terrible.
2nd: Well, you got rid of extended series rule, kinda partially. The 3 stages mean that your games in groups don't matter on championship sunday, which is good, cause there was literally zero reason for that to happen, and was actually the worst fucking rule in any tournaments history (bar your old one about the players ability to deny an opponent access to one unit if they break a rule).
But its still there until you say othewise, and so will have an affect on stage 2 and 3. You've already got a gimmick so it doesn't affect the finals, why not just get rid of it?
3rd:eight players that will be announced later
This is really cryptic, but I don't like what it is implying.
Kespa? They don't deserve the spot, not yet, not when they've had access to the standard qualifiers that everyone else, they should earn it like everyone else. And if it is Kespa, then it should be by qualification, not just on individual teams whims.
4th: Only 1/4 of the 2nd stage is from the open qualifiers... You should have gone the other direction, more from open qualifiers, not less.
And the sad thing is, this is actually an improvement over MLG's previous system. -_-
Damn. I actually made myself sad writing that.
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On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship
Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers?
Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over.
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I like the format changes. Seems like they're finally starting to get it together... but map pool is meh
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Because why not?
Poll: MLG's Map PoolReally bad! (422) 70% Really good! (90) 15% So-so (88) 15% 600 total votes Your vote: MLG's Map Pool (Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!
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On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over.
Well he qualified for Arena but couldnt go....
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On July 28 2012 08:57 Diamond wrote:Because why not? Poll: MLG's Map PoolReally bad! (422) 70% Really good! (90) 15% So-so (88) 15% 600 total votes Your vote: MLG's Map Pool (Vote): Really good!
(Vote): So-so
(Vote): Really bad!
Sundance you cant vote dude....
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I think the 8 invitees into group play must be either KeSPA players or foreigners. The former would be because of MLG's partnership with KeSPA (and I think that's the most likely scenario), and the latter would be because of this comment from Sundance in his recent interview with Slasher:
"My number one complaint is that as the event goes on, there are so many people that are knocked out, nearly all of those being the fan favorites from the different regions. The North American, European players struggle to get past a certain point. Ilyes "Stephano" Satouri, Chris "Huk" Loranger, and a few others are exceptions to that, but it can't just be a rotisserie of Korean players being showcased every time out. That's a knock against not the format necessarily, but the structure of the year."
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Personally I'm fine with Shakuras and Tal'Darim being kept, I guess that's a bit of nostalgia in me. But just ditch the extended series rule and it's perfect imo.
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On July 28 2012 08:57 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over. Well he qualified for Arena but couldnt go....
Thats his problem. The fact is he didnt qualify for the next MLG. You cant make special cases to popular players just becuase they will draw viewers! It undermine the hole competition.
And I swear to god if i see the same old popular players who allways get invited becuase they are simply not good enough anymore to qualify im gonna go abeshit!
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On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over.
Didn't MarineKing do that on a MLG last year when he basically begged reddit to donate so he can fly over to compete (I believe at this time PRIME was losing most of it's big sponsors and the team was on the verge of collapse)?
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On July 28 2012 09:00 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:57 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over. Well he qualified for Arena but couldnt go.... Thats his problem. The fact is he didnt qualify for the next MLG. You cant make special cases to popular players just becuase they will draw viewers! It undermine the hole competition.
Well wether its players that couldnt attend or kespa, they are making special cases like it or not.
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-1 to really good plz. i misclicked (why put really good on top ^^). TA and shakuras make me cry.
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On July 28 2012 09:02 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 09:00 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 28 2012 08:57 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over. Well he qualified for Arena but couldnt go.... Thats his problem. The fact is he didnt qualify for the next MLG. You cant make special cases to popular players just becuase they will draw viewers! It undermine the hole competition. Well wether its players that couldnt attend or kespa, they are making special cases like it or not.
Well then we as a community should boycot MLG unless ofcourse we wanna see starcraft 2 as a circus rather then a sport. Becuase this is it. A line have to be drawn and right now the community can do something.
And I simply cant belive people who like starcraft as a competitive sport actually defends this. Its mindblowing!
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On July 28 2012 08:56 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:35 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:27 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:25 Aeceus wrote:On July 28 2012 08:15 Wroshe wrote:On July 28 2012 08:08 TommyP wrote:On July 28 2012 08:06 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly get rid of the 8 special invite spots.
After seeing the WCS Korea qualifiers it's clear that the kespa players currently are not on the level of the competition yet so they shouldn't be given those spots.
Giving the spots to players that already have had the chance to qualify but were not capable of doing so would be even worse and shows that the only ground for decision is the commercial profitability but that legitimacy of the competition is not a factor.
Even people that qualified for the arena but chose not to attend should not be given those spots. Whatever the reason: you should not get the spots that are earned by doing well in the arena as a result of dodging the competition. My thoughts too. I am hoping so much that they invite DRG, MC, MKP, Symbol and others who honestly all probably wouldve made T16 at arena but had prior obligations. Honestly I feel they shouldn't even do that. When the players that declined their arena spot (those are DRG, MarineKing, Inori, Polt and Leenock; only those qualified and declined) they damn well knew what they were giving up: the prize money from the arena and the possible seed for the MLG Championship. Regardless of whether they were likely to qualify or not I feel it is a very bad idea to start rewarding people that deliberatly decide to not play the "qualifier" (read: arena) by giving them what they could have earned if they played that qualifier. Shall we also provide TSL4 spots to players that decided to not play the qualifier because they wanted another tournament more? Champions should ALWAYS defend. No matter what. The most recent champion is TaeJa, he will attend. MarineKing decided that he did not want to attend the MLG arena and as a result he should deal with the consequences of that decision. DRG Won the last championship Yes and he didnt qualify for the next one. Thats how sport works. Matter infact I take it as a personal insult that MLG try to change a competitive sport into a circus. Hell whats next?. Should we just do a public poll on which players who should go. So we can get the most popular players that will draw most viewers? Its a discrace MLG should be ashamed. They should apologies to all the players at the last MLG arena who worked there ass off but coulnt qualify. Talk about screwing them over.
Why do people keep saying this like it's actually true? There's plenty of sports that uses tournament formats that have invites in form of aces and such to accomodate home favorites or players that for some reason haven't been able to qualify (tennis being one of the most obvious ones). It's not ruining those sports and it will not ruin sc2.
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