On July 28 2012 07:19 RonNation wrote:
To bring two theories together:

My guess is the crappy map pool is to allow the 8 (potential)Kespa players to have a chance.

Nope, KeSPA players are playing on better map pool than that.
WCS Ohana
WCS Antiga
WCS Cloud kingdom

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

July 27 2012 22:33 GMT

#82

This is actually a decent improvement but it's hard to understand why at first, I had to look at it closely.

Friday is better since there's only 2 games per group broadcast instead of 6, which allows more open bracket games to be casted.

Saturday is better since a double elimination group allows more drama than round robin and is easier to follow, plus winning your group is so important in MLGs and this way each group will have a hopefully broadcasted final.

Sunday is better since you keep the possibility of a Leenock-esque loser's bracket run while having an actual final with no advantage to one player, and the group winners are still rewarded. Also spreading out the OLB players instead of having them kill each other off is nice.

The biggest problems are the map pool and the fact that invites are coming back.

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

July 27 2012 22:35 GMT

#83

I'm confused at the last stage when it's 24 players + 8 open bracket winners. Does this mean now that if you don't make it to pool play from the open bracket, your tournament is now done? Previously, it was possible although unlikely to still win MLG from the open bracket without making it into pool play but by going through the loser's bracket.

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

July 27 2012 22:36 GMT

#84

On July 28 2012 07:35 Canucklehead wrote:
I'm confused at the last stage when it's 24 players + 8 open bracket winners. Does this mean now that if you don't make it to pool play from the open bracket, your tournament is now done? Previously, it was possible although unlikely to still win MLG from the open bracket without making it into pool play but by going through the loser's bracket.

No it's actually easier to come from the open loser's bracket and win now.

http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleigh_champ_bracket2.png

Notice how the open loser's players are spread out instead of facing each other in the first round. Look to the far right.

MarcH

United Kingdom362 Posts

July 27 2012 22:37 GMT

#85

So to give MLG a helping hand I decided to create a good map pool (by asking prodiG on twitter) and here it is

Cloud Kingdom
Ohana
Daybreak
Khaydaria
Whirlwind

Thats a small compact map pool only 2 non ladder maps one is used by GSL so is likely to become more common anyway and you only have one sort of new map which is still getting played by top Korean pro's

prodiG

Canada2016 Posts

July 27 2012 22:40 GMT

#86

On July 28 2012 07:37 MarcH wrote:
So to give MLG a helping hand I decided to create a good map pool (by asking prodiG on twitter) and here it is

Cloud Kingdom
Ohana
Daybreak
Khaydaria
Whirlwind

Thats a small compact map pool only 2 non ladder maps one is used by GSL so is likely to become more common anyway and you only have one sort of new map which is still getting played by top Korean pro's

It's like you understand my fairly simple map pool logic perfectly! <3

Noocta

France12578 Posts

July 27 2012 22:45 GMT

#87

The more time pass, the more I'm thinking MLG does this because of their partnership with Blizzard.

0neder

United States3733 Posts

July 27 2012 22:48 GMT

#88

Tal'Darim isn't bad, but Shakuras? It's basically a slightly larger steppes of war with nothing but chokes.

On July 28 2012 07:45 Noocta wrote:
The more time pass, the more I'm thinking MLG does this because of their partnership with Blizzard.

I think you're onto something here. We need a bit more transparency and competency from Irvine.

nebok

Sweden85 Posts

July 27 2012 22:48 GMT

#89

What's with those maps? Makes me sad.

Antoine

United States7481 Posts

July 27 2012 22:49 GMT

#90

Shakuras and Tal'Darim, you must be joking me... it's time to phase them out.

I like the tournament structure change, like how it worked in the Spring Arena. Will be a nightmare for the organizers I think, but the MLG people all have a ton of experience so they should adjust to it pretty well.

dragoon

United States695 Posts

July 27 2012 22:49 GMT

#91

statement from sundance regarding the map pool issue here.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

July 27 2012 22:51 GMT

#92

bad map pool is bad. Reeeeaaaallly should update it fer cryin out loud. I'd listen to prodiG, he knows a lot about maps.

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

July 27 2012 22:51 GMT

#93

On July 28 2012 07:36 jalstar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Ah ok, looking at the 2 sample brackets now, 7th/8th from from the 4 groups in stage 2 drop to loser's r1 in champ bracket and will play 8 losers from the open bracket.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

July 27 2012 22:51 GMT

#94

On July 28 2012 07:49 joon wrote:
statement from sundance regarding the map pool issue here.

MLG seeing the world in black and white when in fact it's actually 64 million colors out there.

Pholon

Netherlands6142 Posts

July 27 2012 22:52 GMT

#95

I'm looking at this ( http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleigh_champ_bracket2.png ) and there seem to be two 7th place finishers from each group dropping down into R1 of the Loser's bracket and the 6th place finishers are nowhere to be found. Mistake?

nvm, got it.

Getting these brackets on LP is gonna be a pain... ;_;

dragoon

United States695 Posts

July 27 2012 22:52 GMT

#96

On July 28 2012 07:51 Diamond wrote:

Show nested quote +

MLG seeing the world in black and white when in fact it's actually 64 million colors out there.

couldn't have said it better myself.

MarcH

United Kingdom362 Posts

July 27 2012 23:01 GMT

#97

I suppose the fact Sundance is looking into this is a positive of sorts

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

July 27 2012 23:01 GMT

#98

Please god do not let the 8 players to be named the kespa guys!!! Please make them my favorite players like DRG, MC, MKP that have a chance to win the whole thing but couldnt make summer arena. I dont want to see the Kespa players get schmanged. If it is Kespa, i would predict that 7 out of 8 would go 0-2 in their series and the other guy would win one series and then lose two series.

NeMeSiS3

Canada2972 Posts

July 27 2012 23:02 GMT

#99

sarcastic rage dump
+ Show Spoiler +

MLG "So yeah... We wanted to make sure to have the worst possible map pool along with subtle imbalances to really have an entertaining extended series finals, we're going to start the finals off 2-0 and then follow with Antiga TvZ gold middle then move to Tal darim to make sure it's the worst finals you've EVER seen, what can we say

we love esports"

Gahh frustration

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

July 27 2012 23:02 GMT

#100

On July 28 2012 07:52 Pholon wrote:
I'm looking at this ( http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleigh_champ_bracket2.png ) and there seem to be two 7th place finishers from each group dropping down into R1 of the Loser's bracket and the 6th place finishers are nowhere to be found. Mistake?

nvm, got it.

Getting these brackets on LP is gonna be a pain... ;_;

Wait I don't get it. Where did 6th place go? I didn't notice that at first and assumed they just meant 7th/8th in loser's r1 champ bracket instead of 2 7th.