I love how the boys from MLG make things seem more complicated than they really are.

You could have just said. No more extended series and everyone would yell HOORAY.

It shouldn't take that long to explain the format. Honestly.

That and your map pool... I know you guys like editing old maps and such, but really there are guys more qualified for the job.

RaiKageRyu

Canada4773 Posts

July 28 2012 02:57 GMT

#182

Stage 2

Group Play has replaced Pool Play as the second stage of the Event, and there are some major differences between the two:
Group Play is made up of four separate double elimination brackets.

32 players will compete in Group Play, with eight players per Group.
24 players–including the Top 16 from the Summer Arena and eight players that will be announced later–will start in Group Play. They will eventually be joined by the last eight Open Winners Bracket Players.

*cough* Kespa Players *cough*

jobber123rd

United States501 Posts

July 28 2012 03:10 GMT

#183

On July 28 2012 11:28 StarStruck wrote:
I love how the boys from MLG make things seem more complicated than they really are.

You could have just said. No more extended series and everyone would yell HOORAY.

It shouldn't take that long to explain the format. Honestly.

That and your map pool... I know you guys like editing old maps and such, but really there are guys more qualified for the job.

Extended series can still happen if players rematch in the same stage of the tournament. For example, if the winner of Group D loses to the winner of Group A in the Championship Winners Bracket R1, but then wins against whichever opponent in the Losers Bracket, then A & D would rematch in the Championship Semifinals in an extended series.

Also, if the Losers Bracket player wins the initial Bo3 in a non-rematch Group Play Final or Championship Semifinal, then it becomes an extended Bo7. That part of the rules hasn't really changed.

MangoSnap

United States184 Posts

July 28 2012 03:11 GMT

#184

Gold on Antiga? Why? I haven't seen any tournament that still has gold on that map, let alone a fairly major one like mlg. As a Terran I do love me some Antiga, but please no gold

Fishriot

United States621 Posts

July 28 2012 03:16 GMT

#185

The fact that extended series still exists in ANY form at this point is pretty fucking ridiculous. The map pool is kinda silly too...

I guess we luck out with the fact that MLG has good production and entertainment value.

jobber123rd

United States501 Posts

July 28 2012 03:44 GMT

#186

On July 28 2012 11:24 Hrrrrm wrote:
Friend of mine brought up a funny but interesting point. Here is MLG who touts how important their Extended Series rule is and how pivotal it is in determining the "best" player in any given match up in their tournament. Yet here is MLG doing absolutely everything in it's power to GUARANTEE that an Extended Series Grand Finals never occurs. Three stages and double elimination bracket upon double elimination bracket to make sure that the Grand Finals aren't played by two players who previously met where the Extended Series score can carry over.

Basically they know about their dysfunctional rule but, don't want to remove it for whatever reason. MLG man the fuck up and remove the rule already. Because if you feel like your Grand Finals shouldn't be played with your "unique" rule then no match in the entire tournament should.

The split bracket is more of an answer to the typical anticlimactic finals that pretty much any double-elimination bracket tends to produce. Yes, extended series finals are bad, but it's not like true DE finals are necessarily much better for entertainment value (the single Final series starting at 0-0 trumps both). The split would have happened at some point even if they never introduced extended series. (Somebody at MLG might be a fan of NCAA baseball, as they've been using a similar split DE format for the College World Series since 1988, when they wanted to make their final more television-friendly.)

Ozell

Canada105 Posts

July 28 2012 04:00 GMT

#187

Why people complain about the map pool ? Personally, I'm getting tired of 20 minutes no rush TvZ's on Whirlwind. Some 2rax on Shakuras will make for more diverse games at least.

The only map I don't like is Metropolis, cuz this map seems unbalanced in a bad boring way.

Torpedo.Vegas

United States1890 Posts

July 28 2012 04:01 GMT

#188

Its a step in the right direction. Although some of these posts seems to be of the all-or-nothing opinion. If MLG doesn't do it all perfectly it is a failure. Many improvements can still be done but I appreciate they are moving in the right direction.

bLecK

Australia625 Posts

July 28 2012 04:05 GMT

#189

Extended series, dear god let it be gone...

Fenrax

United States5018 Posts

July 28 2012 04:14 GMT

#190

On July 28 2012 13:05 bLecK wrote:
Extended series, dear god let it be gone...

I hate to quote without new content but there is nothing more to say. EVERYBODY FUCKING HATES EXTENDED SERIES. Get it away. Totally. At all stages. Kill it with fire.

rkshox

Taiwan536 Posts

July 28 2012 04:21 GMT

#191

NEW maps please!

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

July 28 2012 04:26 GMT

#192

confusing format lol

densha

United States797 Posts

July 28 2012 04:32 GMT

#193

Well, it seems like a good structure if not overly confusing and convoluted.

Obviously I have to echo the main points of the community too: 1) extended series is still the worst idea any tournament has ever come up with and 2) the map pool is so outdated and bad that MLG should be ashamed of themselves.

I guess that's all I can say about it.

The Final Boss

United States1839 Posts

July 28 2012 04:40 GMT

#194

On July 28 2012 12:11 MangoSnap wrote:
Gold on Antiga? Why? I haven't seen any tournament that still has gold on that map, let alone a fairly major one like mlg. As a Terran I do love me some Antiga, but please no gold

To be fair, the reason why Gold was removed was because it was too strong in conjunction with MULES. Since the tides of balance have shifted a bit, it might not actually be all that bad to add Gold Minerals back in. However, I think that Antiga Shipyard is probably one of the best maps for Terran, so while it is going to make beating Terran harder on that one map, they still will struggle on the other maps. Finding a way to add Gold Minerals to a map that Terrans really struggle with might actually be a decent idea.

Irave

United States9965 Posts

July 28 2012 05:58 GMT

#195

Format looks nice, looks like we will be getting more games this this way. I'm not anti extended series it grew on me, and I can understand the reasoning more for it now. Excited for this event!

Roman666

Poland1440 Posts

July 28 2012 05:59 GMT

#196

On July 28 2012 11:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:

Show nested quote +

*cough* Kespa Players *cough*

I suspect that as well. And please, Shakuras and Tal'darim? There is a reason why people tick them off even on ladder...

Hunterai

Thailand842 Posts

July 28 2012 06:23 GMT

#197

Any graphical representation for the bracket-challenged such as myself?

Ansinjunger

United States2451 Posts

July 28 2012 06:35 GMT

#198

Why not demonstrate a little ambition like IPL did when they added their own maps? Short of doing that, and likely short on time, what about those recently released ESV maps? It's true that an undiscovered exploit may hamper a debut at the Summer Championship...or they could just end up sucking, but it's a worthwhile risk compared to maps with known balance issues that are also quite old. None of the new ESV maps appear as crazy as Testbug, which MLG used in the past. Players could demonstrate their preparation in how they play the map and be rewarded.

Dakure

United States513 Posts

July 28 2012 06:55 GMT

#199

On July 28 2012 15:23 Hunterai wrote:
Any graphical representation for the bracket-challenged such as myself?

Stage 2 aka Groups: http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleighgroups_a_and_d.png
Stage 3 aka Championship Bracket: http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleigh_champ_bracket2.png

It's toward the bottom of the OP, fyi.

mengsk83

Germany519 Posts

July 28 2012 07:34 GMT

#200

If there will be 8 Kespa players invited (instead of having them qualify like everyone else) over other players who would deserve it alot more, then i am going to boycot this event and not watch...
business > competition? fuck that...