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[MLG] Format Changes at the Summer Championship - Page 10

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 28 2012 02:28 GMT
#181
I love how the boys from MLG make things seem more complicated than they really are.

You could have just said. No more extended series and everyone would yell HOORAY.

It shouldn't take that long to explain the format. Honestly.

That and your map pool... I know you guys like editing old maps and such, but really there are guys more qualified for the job.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 28 2012 02:57 GMT
#182
Stage 2

Group Play has replaced Pool Play as the second stage of the Event, and there are some major differences between the two:
Group Play is made up of four separate double elimination brackets.
  • 32 players will compete in Group Play, with eight players per Group.
  • 24 players–including the Top 16 from the Summer Arena and eight players that will be announced later–will start in Group Play. They will eventually be joined by the last eight Open Winners Bracket Players.



*cough* Kespa Players *cough*
Someone call down the Thunder?
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 03:16:36
July 28 2012 03:10 GMT
#183
On July 28 2012 11:28 StarStruck wrote:
I love how the boys from MLG make things seem more complicated than they really are.

You could have just said. No more extended series and everyone would yell HOORAY.

It shouldn't take that long to explain the format. Honestly.

That and your map pool... I know you guys like editing old maps and such, but really there are guys more qualified for the job.


Extended series can still happen if players rematch in the same stage of the tournament. For example, if the winner of Group D loses to the winner of Group A in the Championship Winners Bracket R1, but then wins against whichever opponent in the Losers Bracket, then A & D would rematch in the Championship Semifinals in an extended series.

Also, if the Losers Bracket player wins the initial Bo3 in a non-rematch Group Play Final or Championship Semifinal, then it becomes an extended Bo7. That part of the rules hasn't really changed.
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
MangoSnap
Profile Joined July 2012
United States184 Posts
July 28 2012 03:11 GMT
#184
Gold on Antiga? Why? I haven't seen any tournament that still has gold on that map, let alone a fairly major one like mlg. As a Terran I do love me some Antiga, but please no gold
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
July 28 2012 03:16 GMT
#185
The fact that extended series still exists in ANY form at this point is pretty fucking ridiculous. The map pool is kinda silly too...

I guess we luck out with the fact that MLG has good production and entertainment value.
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
July 28 2012 03:44 GMT
#186
On July 28 2012 11:24 Hrrrrm wrote:
Friend of mine brought up a funny but interesting point. Here is MLG who touts how important their Extended Series rule is and how pivotal it is in determining the "best" player in any given match up in their tournament. Yet here is MLG doing absolutely everything in it's power to GUARANTEE that an Extended Series Grand Finals never occurs. Three stages and double elimination bracket upon double elimination bracket to make sure that the Grand Finals aren't played by two players who previously met where the Extended Series score can carry over.

Basically they know about their dysfunctional rule but, don't want to remove it for whatever reason. MLG man the fuck up and remove the rule already. Because if you feel like your Grand Finals shouldn't be played with your "unique" rule then no match in the entire tournament should.


The split bracket is more of an answer to the typical anticlimactic finals that pretty much any double-elimination bracket tends to produce. Yes, extended series finals are bad, but it's not like true DE finals are necessarily much better for entertainment value (the single Final series starting at 0-0 trumps both). The split would have happened at some point even if they never introduced extended series. (Somebody at MLG might be a fan of NCAA baseball, as they've been using a similar split DE format for the College World Series since 1988, when they wanted to make their final more television-friendly.)

"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
Ozell
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada105 Posts
July 28 2012 04:00 GMT
#187
Why people complain about the map pool ? Personally, I'm getting tired of 20 minutes no rush TvZ's on Whirlwind. Some 2rax on Shakuras will make for more diverse games at least.

The only map I don't like is Metropolis, cuz this map seems unbalanced in a bad boring way.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
July 28 2012 04:01 GMT
#188
Its a step in the right direction. Although some of these posts seems to be of the all-or-nothing opinion. If MLG doesn't do it all perfectly it is a failure. Many improvements can still be done but I appreciate they are moving in the right direction.
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
July 28 2012 04:05 GMT
#189
Extended series, dear god let it be gone...
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
July 28 2012 04:14 GMT
#190
On July 28 2012 13:05 bLecK wrote:
Extended series, dear god let it be gone...


I hate to quote without new content but there is nothing more to say. EVERYBODY FUCKING HATES EXTENDED SERIES. Get it away. Totally. At all stages. Kill it with fire.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
July 28 2012 04:21 GMT
#191
NEW maps please!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 28 2012 04:26 GMT
#192
confusing format lol
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densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
July 28 2012 04:32 GMT
#193
Well, it seems like a good structure if not overly confusing and convoluted.

Obviously I have to echo the main points of the community too: 1) extended series is still the worst idea any tournament has ever come up with and 2) the map pool is so outdated and bad that MLG should be ashamed of themselves.

I guess that's all I can say about it.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 28 2012 04:40 GMT
#194
On July 28 2012 12:11 MangoSnap wrote:
Gold on Antiga? Why? I haven't seen any tournament that still has gold on that map, let alone a fairly major one like mlg. As a Terran I do love me some Antiga, but please no gold

To be fair, the reason why Gold was removed was because it was too strong in conjunction with MULES. Since the tides of balance have shifted a bit, it might not actually be all that bad to add Gold Minerals back in. However, I think that Antiga Shipyard is probably one of the best maps for Terran, so while it is going to make beating Terran harder on that one map, they still will struggle on the other maps. Finding a way to add Gold Minerals to a map that Terrans really struggle with might actually be a decent idea.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 28 2012 05:58 GMT
#195
Format looks nice, looks like we will be getting more games this this way. I'm not anti extended series it grew on me, and I can understand the reasoning more for it now. Excited for this event!
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
July 28 2012 05:59 GMT
#196
On July 28 2012 11:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stage 2

Group Play has replaced Pool Play as the second stage of the Event, and there are some major differences between the two:
Group Play is made up of four separate double elimination brackets.
  • 32 players will compete in Group Play, with eight players per Group.
  • 24 players–including the Top 16 from the Summer Arena and eight players that will be announced later–will start in Group Play. They will eventually be joined by the last eight Open Winners Bracket Players.



*cough* Kespa Players *cough*

I suspect that as well. And please, Shakuras and Tal'darim? There is a reason why people tick them off even on ladder...
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
July 28 2012 06:23 GMT
#197
Any graphical representation for the bracket-challenged such as myself?
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 28 2012 06:35 GMT
#198
Why not demonstrate a little ambition like IPL did when they added their own maps? Short of doing that, and likely short on time, what about those recently released ESV maps? It's true that an undiscovered exploit may hamper a debut at the Summer Championship...or they could just end up sucking, but it's a worthwhile risk compared to maps with known balance issues that are also quite old. None of the new ESV maps appear as crazy as Testbug, which MLG used in the past. Players could demonstrate their preparation in how they play the map and be rewarded.
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
July 28 2012 06:55 GMT
#199
On July 28 2012 15:23 Hunterai wrote:
Any graphical representation for the bracket-challenged such as myself?

Stage 2 aka Groups: http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleighgroups_a_and_d.png
Stage 3 aka Championship Bracket: http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/raleigh_champ_bracket2.png

It's toward the bottom of the OP, fyi.
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
July 28 2012 07:34 GMT
#200
If there will be 8 Kespa players invited (instead of having them qualify like everyone else) over other players who would deserve it alot more, then i am going to boycot this event and not watch...
business > competition? fuck that...
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