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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
July 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#81
I want my Hyuna backgrounds instead of the ugly Terran/Zerg/Protoss
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
July 27 2012 00:49 GMT
#82
The funny thing is, we may be making a petition over something we misinterpreted. It might not be a function which gets rid of MPQ editing at all

Let's just wait and see until the release version of the patch comes out, then vote on the petition if this does turn out to be the case.
unteqair
Profile Joined November 2011
United States308 Posts
July 27 2012 00:49 GMT
#83
I wish all of the things listed as blocked in the OP were simply options naturally in the game.
TheChostoProject
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico96 Posts
July 27 2012 00:50 GMT
#84
Signed, i cannot imagine playing sc2 without STC.
www.soundclick.com/thechostoproject
Adersick
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
July 27 2012 00:55 GMT
#85
Signed, I like that Blizzard is trying to reduce hacking, but this is a similar nuking over a broad category that we've seen before (see no LAN because of piracy). I would like to see perhaps Blizzard allow certain mods allowed or integrated into the game, and then implement the MPQ blocking, but this would probably require more community support and resources that just isn't realistic to expect.

At any rate, if asked my opinion I would like to see these mods stay (or be integrated), but I understand if Blizzard can't allow it for the sake of anti-hacking.
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
July 27 2012 00:56 GMT
#86
It's annoying trying to respond to people who quote your post and don't actually address the content of it.
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
July 27 2012 00:58 GMT
#87
Please everyone sign this T.T There isn't really a single hack right now that uses MPQ THIS WILL NOT STOP MAP HACKING, the only possible hack this may stop is ... Well hell, someone tell me? Perhaps mineral gathering but that is all I can think of which I haven't heard about yet in SC2. The key here is that this will only stop creative people like Existor and Teliko making this community a better place to be.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318137
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=348771

etc...
FoTG fighting!
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
July 27 2012 00:59 GMT
#88
"Yes, let's all forgo a better quality SC2 experience because a few people are red-green colour-blind, which actually affects maybe 5% of their games."
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trbot
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:04:55
July 27 2012 01:01 GMT
#89
On July 27 2012 09:56 CaptainCharisma wrote:
It's annoying trying to respond to people who quote your post and don't actually address the content of it.


What did you want us to say? Your quoted content was a disclaimer, attempting a license to say whatever offensive thing you wanted with no recourse. Allow me to paraphrase it for you. "I wasn't trying to say anything worthwhile, and I wasn't actually making any legitimate point. I was just saying whatever I wanted to, so deal with it."

I get it. You are insensitive because you don't have the particular problem you're saying I should deal with. Why don't you go back to telling diabetics, cancer patients and old people to shut up and deal with their issues. (Or do you not also complain about the fact that tax money goes to supporting people in situations you can't relate to?)

On July 27 2012 09:59 CaptainCharisma wrote:
"Yes, let's all forgo a better quality SC2 experience because a few people are red-green colour-blind, which actually affects maybe 5% of their games."


Ignoring the fact that Blizzard representatives have publicly stated that they support the STC mods, to what "better quality SC2 experience" are you referring? It won't change hacking, and it will eliminate mods that a lot of people like. I don't actually see any improvement...
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
July 27 2012 01:04 GMT
#90
I'd rather see Blizzard implement an option for stronger colors in-game. Or just incorporate useful mods like that within the game like they did for the most widely used WoW AddOns. Stronger Team colors is really the only one of the mods that's really a quality of life improving mod, the others are just fluff.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:05:31
July 27 2012 01:04 GMT
#91
On July 27 2012 09:49 Antylamon wrote:
The funny thing is, we may be making a petition over something we misinterpreted. It might not be a function which gets rid of MPQ editing at all

Let's just wait and see until the release version of the patch comes out, then vote on the petition if this does turn out to be the case.

Indeed, I'm fully aware of that. But I'd rather brew a shitstorm about something that was misinterpreted than wait and do nothing only to lose everything after the patch hits seeing as it's even more unlikely they'll revert the change once it's officially implemented.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:08:33
July 27 2012 01:05 GMT
#92
On July 27 2012 09:59 CaptainCharisma wrote:
"Yes, let's all forgo a better quality SC2 experience because a few people are red-green colour-blind, which actually affects maybe 5% of their games."


A few people is 10% of all guys, you're essentially saying "Oh, let's just screw the handicaps, because no ramps make our building look a bit better". He can't see the difference between fucking green and red because of his genetics, don't say its some "basic skill" he's lacking. This is like glasses for those with bad eyes. You want to get rid of glasses, because only 25% of the world benefits from them, and faces generally look better without them? I can't believe some people...

Also, better quality SC2 experience? Streaming SC2 content does what for this game?
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
July 27 2012 01:07 GMT
#93
On July 27 2012 10:01 trbot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:56 CaptainCharisma wrote:
It's annoying trying to respond to people who quote your post and don't actually address the content of it.


What did you want us to say. Your quoted content was a disclaimer, attempting a license to say whatever offensive thing you wanted with no recourse. Allow me to paraphrase it for you. "I wasn't trying to say anything worthwhile, and I wasn't actually making any legitimate point. I was just saying whatever I wanted to, so deal with it."

I get it. You are insensitive because you don't have the particular problem you're saying I should deal with. Why don't you go back to telling diabetics, cancer patients and old people to shut up and deal with their issues.


You're missing the main point. A diabetic's use of insulin doesn't detract from the quality of other people's lives. If this petition has its intended effect, however, it will detract from other people's experience of SC2 because Blizzard will not be able to go ahead with its planned improvements.
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UncleVinny
Profile Joined April 2011
United States35 Posts
July 27 2012 01:08 GMT
#94
Color-blind dude here.

Please don't take away my stronger color mod, Blizzard!
<3 Sheth
trbot
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:14:37
July 27 2012 01:10 GMT
#95
On July 27 2012 10:07 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 10:01 trbot wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:56 CaptainCharisma wrote:
It's annoying trying to respond to people who quote your post and don't actually address the content of it.


What did you want us to say. Your quoted content was a disclaimer, attempting a license to say whatever offensive thing you wanted with no recourse. Allow me to paraphrase it for you. "I wasn't trying to say anything worthwhile, and I wasn't actually making any legitimate point. I was just saying whatever I wanted to, so deal with it."

I get it. You are insensitive because you don't have the particular problem you're saying I should deal with. Why don't you go back to telling diabetics, cancer patients and old people to shut up and deal with their issues.


You're missing the main point. A diabetic's use of insulin doesn't detract from the quality of other people's lives. If this petition has its intended effect, however, it will detract from other people's experience of SC2 because Blizzard will not be able to go ahead with its planned improvements.


No, it seems like you're missing just about every point. A diebetic's use of insulin is subsidised with taxes taken from your paycheck. So, yes, it does diminish the quality of others' lives. Even if that's not the case where you live, you will have insurance through your work, on a group plan, and the cost to the company of acquiring that group plan will impact everyone's paychecks. If you're not one of the people benefitting most from that plan, you're paying more than you should. Are you going to university? Then your student health insurance is the same thing. How about unemployment insurance? The foster care system? Subsidised babysitting costs? Subsidised farming to prevent imports of home-grown food? Subsidised energy rebates to promote adoption of clean energy sources? You're clearly just against any form of socialism. Grow up.

And what planned improvements will be prevented? You can't tell me any, because there aren't any. As has already been said half a dozen times, locking down MPQ files does nothing to prevent hacking, and the reverse does nothing to prevent Blizzard's "planned improvements."
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
July 27 2012 01:12 GMT
#96
I just get the same vibes from this as I do from DRM. It hurts legitimate users (players who play fair) by blocking popular mods such as Stronger Team Color, Brood War sounds, custom background images ect. While the "bad" players (the maphackers, drophackers, ect) will still find a way to get around it.

Hurting too many good people to get rid of a few bad people.
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
July 27 2012 01:13 GMT
#97
On July 27 2012 10:05 ImmortalTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:59 CaptainCharisma wrote:
"Yes, let's all forgo a better quality SC2 experience because a few people are red-green colour-blind, which actually affects maybe 5% of their games."


A few people is 10% of all guys, you're essentially saying "Oh, let's just screw the handicaps, because no ramps make our building look a bit better". He can't see the difference between fucking green and red because of his genetics, don't say its some "basic skill" he's lacking. This is like glasses for those with bad eyes. You want to get rid of glasses, because only 25% of the world benefits from them, and faces generally look better without them? I can't believe some people...

Also, better quality SC2 experience? Streaming SC2 content does what for this game?



Poor logic. One's use of glasses doesn't affect others' vision. The ramp analogy is poor because "no ramps look better" is not a practical improvement, and without a ramp, disabled people cannot enter the building 100% of the time., whereas colour-blind people can still play the game to a decent level most of the time.
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xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
July 27 2012 01:16 GMT
#98
On July 27 2012 09:42 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:41 xrapture wrote:
A multi billion dollar company wants to make it harder for their product to get hacked. Boo hoo, end of the world, eh?


multiple ppl have explained that it doesn't deal at all with hack. Reading is hard hey?


I'm going to trust one of the most successful video game developers in the world over people on TL, sorry.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
trbot
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada142 Posts
July 27 2012 01:17 GMT
#99
On July 27 2012 10:16 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:42 sAsImre wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:41 xrapture wrote:
A multi billion dollar company wants to make it harder for their product to get hacked. Boo hoo, end of the world, eh?


multiple ppl have explained that it doesn't deal at all with hack. Reading is hard hey?


I'm going to trust one of the most successful video game developers in the world over people on TL, sorry.


Any computer scientist can tell you that it has nothing to do with hacks. It doesn't require more than a first-year university education in any CS program to know this.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:22:12
July 27 2012 01:20 GMT
#100
Charisma, you're not even trying to think this through. Earlier in the thread myself and others pointed out that the entire contents of the MPQ don't need to be checked because things like image files that are only being referenced for their application as a graphic are never going to be subverted into some kind of hack. This is a sloppy axe swing where a scalpel would do just fine, without making liars out of th em, and without alienating your out-of-the-ass quote of "5%" of their games - actually a pretty significant number.

Not to mention that they haven't even stated that anti-hack measures are the reason behind this change. Infact, a few people have chimed in that this wouldn't even stop maphackers - though they haven't elaborated afaik. So will you stop acting sure, or even informed about things that you clearly aren't? You're wasting a lot of peoples times while you try to convince us and yourself that you know what you're talking a bout.

PS just saw that you've been at it while I was writing this, lol. Again out of your ass claiming that colorblind can still play the game to a "decent" (????) level. I'm sure you've got a lot of feedback and data on this.
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