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MPQ Modding Shutdown Petition - Page 6
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:17 trbot wrote: Any computer scientist can tell you that it has nothing to do with hacks. It doesn't require more than a first-year university education in any CS program to know this. It doesn't deal with hack but it can give unfair advantages to users. You can make invisible units not invisible and more things. It's just more professional and moderated without these colour changes and such. | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
On July 27 2012 08:42 Teliko wrote: Good point. Adding them now. It won't stop hackers in the slightest which is why I'm particularly annoyed about it. Can you explain why plz? This is a significant issue and I'd love to hear more on why this wouldn't have an effect on hacking. | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:20 Kluey wrote: It doesn't deal with hack but it can give unfair advantages to users. You can make invisible units not invisible and more things. It's just more professional and moderated without these colour changes and such. You might be able to do these things through MPQ files, but you can also do them without modifying MPQ files... (Maphacks do this and much more without modifying any game files.) That's why we say this does nothing to stop the proliferation of hacks. | ||
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cskalias.pbe
United States293 Posts
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
Besides, things like stronger team color is actually a form of cheating imo. Things like this are banned in other games. | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:23 bakedace wrote: If the MPQ stops hacks, i'm ALL for it. It does not. Many common maphacks do NOT modify MPQ files. Blizzard has publicly stated that they support the stronger team colours mod. On a side-note, I would be fine with mods disappearing if STC were incorporated into the game as a legitimate option, and there was an option to change the colour of the "nuke dot" to yellow, blue or anything else that is not green or red. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:01 trbot wrote: Ignoring the fact that Blizzard representatives have publicly stated that they support the STC mods, to what "better quality SC2 experience" are you referring? It won't change hacking, and it will eliminate mods that a lot of people like. I don't actually see any improvement... The game is now streamable, you can begin playing it even if it hasn't finished downloading/patching like Diablo and World of Warcraft. This is actually a pretty big deal if you've ever tried to get someone to try the starter edition and then realised they'll have to download a full 7gig client before they can even play with the limited amount of stuff they have access to and was only going to get worse with HotS. This is the #1 reason the file verification stuff is now in the game, because of the streaming, it needs to make sure that the core game files are all complete and uncorrupted before it starts up. Not saying that's necessarily any great advantage to people who already have the full game and want custom backgrounds and skins, but it's definitely something that needed to go through eventually. As you said, it won't change hacking, though it does make some forms of hacking slightly more difficult it's not the intention of the change. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:10 trbot wrote: No, it seems like you're missing just about every point. A diebetic's use of insulin is subsidised with taxes taken from your paycheck. So, yes, it does diminish the quality of others' lives. Even if that's not the case where you live, you will have insurance through your work, on a group plan, and the cost to the company of acquiring that group plan will impact everyone's paychecks. If you're not one of the people benefitting most from that plan, you're paying more than you should. Are you going to university? Then your student health insurance is the same thing. How about unemployment insurance? The foster care system? Subsidised babysitting costs? Subsidised farming to prevent imports of home-grown food? Subsidised energy rebates to promote adoption of clean energy sources? You're clearly just against any form of socialism. Grow up. And what planned improvements will be prevented? You can't tell me any, because there aren't any. As has already been said half a dozen times, locking down MPQ files does nothing to prevent hacking, and the reverse does nothing to prevent Blizzard's "planned improvements." Taxes do not have to be spent in such ways. That is the choice of the elected officials. If we wanted to, we could ask diabetics to pay for their own insulin., but we don't because we think that is fair. Likewise for other subsidies. Unfortunately for you, Blizzard is not an elected government. The existence of subsidies at the government level does not equate to an overarching moral norm that says all disabled people must be subsidized to the level where they can function just as well as able bodied people. If that were the case, why only ramps into buildings? Why not pay for fully functional robotic arms or legs? We don't do these things because the cost is greater than the benefit. There are two levels at which your argument is a bad idea: 1) Blizzard is not an elected government and can do what it pleases. 2) If it were, an elected government will do a cost-benefit analysis for all expenditure. It may be that the benefits to the majority derived from this new coding or whatever the hell it is, is deemed by Blizzard to be worth the costs to some of its players who like to use mods. Edit: Btw I'm assuming there are at least some benefits to the change, otherwise why do it. It may just be that the new arcade system works smoother with it. | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:27 Dingobloo wrote: The game is now streamable, you can begin playing it even if it hasn't finished downloading/patching like Diablo and World of Warcraft. [...] This is the #1 reason the file verification stuff is now in the game, because of the streaming, it needs to make sure that the core game files are all complete and uncorrupted before it starts up. This is a nice feature. However, this doesn't need MPQ files to be verified on regular game startup. They can just be verified once by the installer (not the game) before the game is loaded for the first time. Hence, this change is totally unnecessary. On July 27 2012 10:27 Dingobloo wrote: As you said, it won't change hacking, though it does make some forms of hacking slightly more difficult it's not the intention of the change. Absolutely true. The problem is: when has difficulty ever stopped hackers? They welcome the challenge. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
i really dont get the point of this thread, your trying to force blizzard to let you do whatever you want with there game despite them not wanting you to do it, what gives you the right to do this? its like making a petition asking blzizard to let you build a rax before supply depot or letting you smurf as much as you want your lucky they decided to stop it like this instead of banning people to get the point across | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:30 CaptainCharisma wrote: Taxes do not have to be spent in such ways. That is the choice of the elected officials. If we wanted to, we could ask diabetics to pay for their own insulin., but we don't because we think that is fair. Likewise for other subsidies. Unfortunately for you, Blizzard is not an elected government. Courtesy of capitalism, they are elected by our choice to partake in their services. Commerce always answers to the consumer. I'm not sure why you even made this point. On July 27 2012 10:30 CaptainCharisma wrote: The existence of subsidies at the government level does not equate to an overarching moral norm that says all disabled people must be subsidized to the level where they can function just as well as able bodied people. If that were the case, why only ramps into buildings? Why not pay for fully functional robotic arms or legs? We don't do these things because the cost is greater than the benefit. You admit we do reasonable things that we believe are fair. Does a yellow nuke dot seem like a fully functional robotic arm or leg? It seems to me like a reasonable thing that most people will believe is fair (if you pysicially can't see the red one). It almost seems like the benefit is greater than the cost... It's hard to deal with your posts. You make exaggerated claims far too regularly. I'd wager good money that you're a big fish in a small pond. | ||
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Ripeace
34 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:20 Lumi wrote: Charisma, you're not even trying to think this through. Earlier in the thread myself and others pointed out that the entire contents of the MPQ don't need to be checked because things like image files that are only being referenced for their application as a graphic are never going to be subverted into some kind of hack. This is a sloppy axe swing where a scalpel would do just fine, without making liars out of th em, and without alienating your out-of-the-ass quote of "5%" of their games - actually a pretty significant number. Not to mention that they haven't even stated that anti-hack measures are the reason behind this change. Infact, a few people have chimed in that this wouldn't even stop maphackers - though they haven't elaborated afaik. So will you stop acting sure, or even informed about things that you clearly aren't? You're wasting a lot of peoples times while you try to convince us and yourself that you know what you're talking a bout. PS just saw that you've been at it while I was writing this, lol. Again out of your ass claiming that colorblind can still play the game to a "decent" (????) level. I'm sure you've got a lot of feedback and data on this. Exactly. There's a reason the sheep fall into line and the Sheppard herds them. All the sheep think to themselves, "wow I'm the only one with sense and the rest are idiots" while the Sheppard just laughs. | ||
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Tom Cruise
Denmark482 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:22 trbot wrote: Yes, you can do these things through MPQ files. You can also do them without modifying MPQ files... (Maphacks do this and much more without modifying any game files.) That's why we say this does nothing to stop the proliferation of hacks. No, you cannot. MPQ files are unique to your locale. I'm surprised to see how many of you actually believes that "hacking" has anything to do with MPQ files, lol. | ||
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trbot
Canada142 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:36 hunts wrote: meh, it's probably to help stop hacking so I'm for it. I don't use modded UI shit anyway so it's fine by me. Did copy protections do anything to prevent piracy? Hackers found a way around it. In fact, since most hacks don't even use MPQ files, they don't even need a way around this change. Hacking will not change in any way as a result of this. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote: How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have? User was warned for this post What about someone who is mentally impaired? Maybe they cannot react very fast to a drop in their base. Should we allow a mod that moves their workers away from their mineral line at a normal reaction time? Plenty of people have specific, genetic reasons why they are not as good at this game as others. It is a competitive sport. Sport is not an arena where it is generally accepted that the impaired can compete with the non-impaired. Heck, we have separate men's and women's divisions in other sports, why? We have disabled Olympics. Why? | ||
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Teliko
Ireland1044 Posts
On July 27 2012 10:31 Forikorder wrote: Blizzard has made it perfectly clear they do not want people to be modding there files in any way i remember a reddit thread a long time ago talking about how Blizzard warned MC for changing the background i really dont get the point of this thread, your trying to force blizzard to let you do whatever you want with there game despite them not wanting you to do it, what gives you the right to do this? its like making a petition asking blzizard to let you build a rax before supply depot or letting you smurf as much as you want your lucky they decided to stop it like this instead of banning people to get the point across I'd very much like to see that thread. With the amount of people using mods, a statement like that would have brought a lot of discussion. I find it interesting how it was never brought to my attention. It's nothing like your examples, actually. Rax before depo is a balancing issue. Using smurf accounts brings a negative experience to the less skilled players facing the smurf. I need not state the benefits of Stronger Team Colours. Other mods may not bring benefit to people quite like STC, but for some, actually quite a lot, it makes the game more enjoyable. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15714 Posts
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