Good find ahli.

For stronger team colors just have tournaments play on moded maps. Patch 1.5 and the arcade freature meabs that it is the perfect time for tournaments to start experimenting with user map settings.

yeint

Estonia2329 Posts

July 28 2012 17:31 GMT

#343

On July 27 2012 08:37 Tppz! wrote:
I do not agree at all. Its ok to loose those things if it gives Blizzard a chance to hunt cheaters/hackers etc.
Also mpq modding isnt allowed by Blizz ToS

D3 has disabled mpq modding. Hasn't stopped botting and cheating one iota.

theBOOCH

United States832 Posts

July 28 2012 17:50 GMT

#344

As much as I hate the stronger team color mod, I definitely don't think they should shut down modding that only affects the players experience and not the game. What I mean is there is a harmless kind of modding that has absolutely no affect beyond the person's own pc so Blizzard should try to allow that while still sniffing out the hackers and such. I understand how it complicates their process but stil, they can manage.

SpickNSpan

United States52 Posts

July 29 2012 00:32 GMT

#345

This will definitely make SCII MORE secure though. If anything, i will rejoice at the fact that they're doing this. "Why", you say? 1. If its this easy to modify the game, any ammature programmer can make a hack/mod and grab easy wins. 2. Yes, it knocks off legit mods, which are helpful to the community, but do you really want to keep that AND all the hackers. No, this security feature WILL NOT stop hackers, it will just make it a pain in the *** (or harder) for hackers to hack the game, and eliminate all the ammatures out there who modify the files directly. That would be probably 90%. and 3. We could instead petition for a MOD API feature to be created by blizzard, so anyone can create a Blizz-Certified MOD, without breaking the rules.

Yes, there are complications. I, for one, am so sick of losing to players who seem to know every move i will make.

If this patch makes it that much harder for NOOBS/script kiddies to hack the game, please Blizz, hit them hard, because i want to see them all at the bottom of the Bronze league.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

July 29 2012 00:36 GMT

#346

only if blizzard takes the initiative in allowing the game to thrive through modding community. :/ mod-able pc games thrive imo

trbot

Canada142 Posts

July 29 2012 00:53 GMT

#347

On July 29 2012 09:32 SpickNSpan wrote:
This will definitely make SCII MORE secure though. If anything, i will rejoice at the fact that they're doing this. "Why", you say? 1. If its this easy to modify the game, any ammature programmer can make a hack/mod and grab easy wins. 2. Yes, it knocks off legit mods, which are helpful to the community, but do you really want to keep that AND all the hackers. No, this security feature WILL NOT stop hackers, it will just make it a pain in the *** (or harder) for hackers to hack the game, and eliminate all the ammatures out there who modify the files directly. That would be probably 90%. and 3. We could instead petition for a MOD API feature to be created by blizzard, so anyone can create a Blizz-Certified MOD, without breaking the rules.

Yes, there are complications. I, for one, am so sick of losing to players who seem to know every move i will make.

If this patch makes it that much harder for NOOBS/script kiddies to hack the game, please Blizz, hit them hard, because i want to see them all at the bottom of the Bronze league.

I actually think it's -much- more likely that 99.9% of hackers are using "real" map hacks (that don't touch MPQ files). Why would you invest hours in modifying the files yourself, when you can spend 30 seconds downloading a map hack?

And don't say it's because you can be banned for using a map hack, but not for modding MPQ files, because Blizzard has no idea that you're running a map hack unless they scan the contents of your RAM (which they don't)... Why do you think it takes so long for map hackers to get banned? If Blizz knew what they were running, they'd be banned 5 minutes after their first reported offense...

It takes much more skill to attempt to modify the MPQ files than to download and run a maphack, so this line of argument seems flawed...

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

July 29 2012 00:57 GMT

#348

On July 29 2012 02:31 yeint wrote:

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D3 has disabled mpq modding. Hasn't stopped botting and cheating one iota.

Botting is a lot different than maphacking though - I'm sure someone could still make a SC2 bot, it would just be extremely difficult to get it past silver level most likely. There's been no evidence of maphacking on D3 has there?

Also mods can lead to unfair advantages - I believe you can change the appearance of cloaked units and moving burrowed units?

Shiori

3815 Posts

July 29 2012 00:59 GMT

#349

On July 29 2012 09:57 FairForever wrote:

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What would even be the point of maphacking in D3?

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

July 29 2012 01:06 GMT

#350

On July 29 2012 09:57 FairForever wrote:

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There's been a maphack for D3 since the week of release. Shows you where all the mobs are and shit. This really really won't affect hacking... seriously no good hacks will bother with fucking around in the MPQs.

CrazyF1r3f0x

United States2120 Posts

July 29 2012 01:11 GMT

#351

They should allow it if only for the stronger team color mod; color blind people need to play too!

Epishade

United States2267 Posts

July 29 2012 01:17 GMT

#352

I do not believe that this new patch will really do that much to stop hackers. That said, I'm doubtful Blizzard will change their mind over this. They rarely listen to the community over changes to the game.

From Blizzard's track record, I'm doubtful they would do something as nice as putting the stronger team color mod in HOTS. When they leave problems in the game (ui problems) that have been in there since release, and do nothing about it, it really raises questions about how concerned they are with the community's thoughts.

DoctaD

35 Posts

July 29 2012 01:17 GMT

#353

does this also hurt the use of a relocalizer?

Malpractice.248

United States734 Posts

July 29 2012 01:22 GMT

#354

On July 27 2012 08:37 Tppz! wrote:
I do not agree at all. Its ok to loose those things if it gives Blizzard a chance to hunt cheaters/hackers etc.
Also mpq modding isnt allowed by Blizz ToS

100% agree
If it will alleviate hacking, im down.

Ahli

Germany355 Posts

July 29 2012 01:49 GMT

#355

On July 29 2012 10:17 DoctaD wrote:
does this also hurt the use of a relocalizer?

You might be able to change the localization of SC2 directly with patch 1.5.
In the beta you can download a different localization in the editor, but it doesn't change the used localization ingame. =/

Flamingo777

United States1190 Posts

July 29 2012 02:58 GMT

#356

I'm not going to vote because I don't know the good that could come with the elimination of these mods. If the hacking problem could be completely stopped with the removal of the mods, I'd say do it. Otherwise, these mods seem like very helpful things for the community. If the problem is that Blizzard doesn't want people to have certain advantages through the use of these mods, even if they are slight, then Blizzard should take up the mods and allow them to everyone and implement them into the game. Steam would do it.

Northern_iight

Canada363 Posts

July 30 2012 03:01 GMT

#357

did anyone sign up and start to get spam in their emails?

Couple days after I signed the petition i started to get spam in my inbox. not sure this if from signing the form. If anyonelse does please let me know

WombaT

Northern Ireland26773 Posts

August 01 2012 20:06 GMT

#358

On July 30 2012 12:01 Northern_iight wrote:
did anyone sign up and start to get spam in their emails?

Couple days after I signed the petition i started to get spam in my inbox. not sure this if from signing the form. If anyonelse does please let me know

A lot of these petition sites tend to do that, like I signed up for one quite a while ago and then I started getting forwarded petitions for completely unrelated issues that were reasonably local to my area