EPTOn July 20 2012 03:36 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Although some commentators barely have more clue than Lauren Elise and don't get shit on like this.
Although some commentators barely have more clue than Lauren Elise and don't get shit on like this.
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How to present females in the SCII-community? - Page 26
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
Sure tournament hosts are somewhat representive of the sport when someone really watches SC2 for the first time on that event, but even so, i do honestly believe the girl did a pretty good job considering she had no clue whatsoever beforehand. She did deliver overall hosting, and she did well, and she never needed to give you pseudo-insight or wrong analysis, as many casters jump the gun trying to bring you the full truth when they can't even fully see the picture themselves. And by bitching not only about her being only there to host, but also on the representation of females in SC2, you alienate not-SC2-involved-people even more. Good job on that. | ||
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StayFrosty
Canada743 Posts
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Komistic
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On July 20 2012 04:38 Komistic wrote: Best post in this entire thread if you ask me... | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
This is why you're alone. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On July 19 2012 22:49 stratmatt wrote: HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS. Lol dude there are endless hours of content for your analysis pleasure available all over the web. NASL decided to add a bit of flair to their production by picking up lauren, cry about it some more. Also, "stare at an attractive female"? Thats sounds kinda creepy, how about you just watch and enjoy the show without overthinking it. What else do you think people would/were supposed to do with her there? Discuss the strategies Stephano used to 4-0wn Alicia? ('¬_¬) On July 19 2012 22:52 stratmatt wrote: Holy crap, I just noticed you basically made the same post two pages in a row......QUIT overthinking it, dude. Also, Clutch doesnt really know anything about sc2, why are you not calling him out? Oh yeah he is a guy and does not intimidate you Im guessing. Holy crud, I just noticed you QUADRUPLE posted!! USE the "Edit" function, dude. [/RIBBING] (*shrug*) I tend to overthink. That's just who I am. Big deal, lol.... I did mention Clutch's setback: he's superb socially, but he could really brush up on his StarCraft snuff. The fact that he is male has nothing to do with it, and I'm certainly not intimidated by him or any other female that works this occupation in the eSports industry. Clutch exudes an enthusiasm in his actions and speech that I've not found in any female in the same line of work in eSports that I've seen thus far; that's merely an empirical observation on my part. | ||
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:14 BronzeKnee wrote: I'm sorry, but what kind of argument is this? The obvious response to that line of thinking is to continue to bring up increasingly terrible things that are wrong, but a part of life, and question the one making the argument by asking them if they think people should just get over these things. Child soldiers are part of life too, should we get over it? If so, child molestation is a part of life, should we get over it? How bad do I need to make it for you give up that line of thinking? Do I need to continue? That argument is terrible, justifying things because they are a "part of life" is wrong regardless if it is dealing with sexuality in media or the exploitation of children. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and simply the existence of something in life does not make it right. Except they will. I'm sorry, but what kind of argument is this? At the risk of sounding massively condescending, get out of your house and stop being a prude. You act like sexuality in the media is a bad thing in the first place, it isn't. Hot women are nice to look at. Any socially well-adjusted, normal person should have no problem looking at an attractive woman for the sake of looking at an attractive woman. I like going to my pool on a nice day and seeing good looking girls there, I like going to parties and interacting with girls there that, while potentially brainless, are hot and nice to talk to. Try it out some time. As a college student I also fit into the demographic that esports is trying to reach out to the most, and I can't imagine any single person I know looking at Lauren Elise and going "wait, they have a hot girl at this event? LOOK AT THIS BLATANT SEXISM, ESPORTS IS A FRAUD." Not a single person would ever care. Acting like you serve some mature, higher calling to make this community a sensible place is just a mask for your strange, chaste thinking that should be kept to yourself. Comparing having Lauren as a host to child molestation...is just the stupidest, most thoughtless slippery slope argument imaginable. Just stop, this thread needs to end. You aren't a crusader for women's rights, a defender of equality and justice, or attempting to make this community grow, you're just being strange. Unfortunately, for any medium sized community there will be a few vocal outliers that will literally make a big deal out of anything they can find a way to be offended by. | ||
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
Nah. I'm alone because I'm ugly and smart, and women don't like that. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On July 20 2012 11:47 Ramanujan wrote: Nah. I'm alone because I'm ugly and smart, and women don't like that. No. You're ugly, stupid, and a misogynistic pig. That's what women don't like about you. User was banned for this post. | ||
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intense555
United States474 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote: The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events. Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Ailuj........... She got diamond and was streamed losing to Losira at an MLG. :/ | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
See: Stargirls But the people who for whatever reason care about M/F equality make a big deal out of it. It happens in everything male-dominated, because it gets more views. Maybe it was a bad call having her talk, though, with no knowledge on the subject. That deserves to be called out. But not her gender, because the reason is honestly obvious to all of us, why press the topic? After all, there've been pretty bad hosts regardless of gender. (Remember the dreamhack dude?) | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
Even as a competitor, I would love to get some pictures with some hot stargirls instead of what seems to be a sausagefest. More girls in the scene just makes it better for everyone. I get that supporting and even spotlighting some girls that are decent at the game over guys at the same calibre is unfair. And maybe making it a big deal will be detrimental to the morale of female competitors... but I still think a certain amount of spotlighting is needed to stimulate an increase of female competitors. Media and coverage can do wonders in changing cultures and in its current state, females are actually disadvantaged due to social stigmas and lack of rolemodels. If you want equality, promoting more female gamers in the scene is a great way to start. | ||
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ZeaLL
Canada53 Posts
She plays Starcraft, she would regularly come sit by us and watch the game, talk to the fans, and ask questions. Her and clutch were mega approachable and honestly if you saw the atmosphere around her, people were lining up to take pictures with her. How awesome is it that a playboy model was at a starcraft event?! I was totally revved and not the only one. And to boot she was cool and liked the game. She really got into the games. Anything else in this thread is just stupidity. Are we gonna ban people's girlfriends as well? Because they dont know enough about the game. I saw several women over the weekend complaining about how boring this was and their bfs dragged them. Hell the NASL security guard thot this was the stupidest thing he'd ever seen. Lauren actually appreciated the games and the fans, she was awesome about the whole thing and not a stuck up bitch. This article is embarassing to the community and OP is brainless for essentially calling Lauren "vapid and eye candy" when you are being a hypocrite you don't know two things about her. She was awesome I'd pay extra to see her at future events. | ||
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Penguinox
Sweden29 Posts
Of course, skimming through the comments of his thread a bit as well as the facts that organizations do hire women for these reasons to satisfy the general audience, makes me draw the conclusion that a lot of people are fine with this. There'a also a geographical/cultural difference on how most people around view this kind of thing though, I guess. To sum it up: I just feel it's ethically wrong to take looks into consideration more when hiring female than when hiring male. | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
fear of women some of you kids should get a bit more comon sense and grow up | ||
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-_-Quails
Australia796 Posts
On July 20 2012 11:47 Ramanujan wrote: Nah. I'm alone because I'm ugly and smart, and women don't like that. You're deluding yourself. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
Anna Prosser - dating a professional gamer, and not only supports what he does, but tries her best to contribute to esports in any way possible. In live report threads there are countless comments how she is just there for eye candy and doesn't deliver anything substantial Rachel - dating a professional gamer, and a former professional gamer herself. She contributes to the community and she gets the same criticisms as Anna Soe - I (admittedly) don't know much about Soe's background, but I do know that she has supported SC2 from launch, and the LR thread for the most recent event she was involved in (NASL) she was slammed for the exact same reasons as Anna and Rachel (she's eye candy, she is not a good personality, etc.) On the flip side we have people like... Lindsey Sporrer - Obviously knows nothing about Starcraft 2 and only got the gig with NASL because she was attractive. Although there were insults directed towards her no doubt, a semi cult following emerged that supported her being in more esports events. and recently... Lauren Elise - Has absolutely no credentials in SC2 and for the most part I've seen people shrug it off and say "well it's okay becuase she's just there because she's attractive" It's interesting because all of these women I've listed would be at least an 8.5 (and that's being conservative) yet the most qualified individuals seem to get the most flak from the community. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:32 NeverGG wrote: I feel this is the best post so far in the thread.Just to share a few of my experiences as a female journalist working in the Korean eSports scene - I generally found working with the domestic teams/managers and other journalists to be a rewarding experience despite the language issues. There was never any trouble from either the staff, managers, fans or players. I was also actively included in post-game/finals events, given access to plenty of additional resources, and I never encountered any negative language or behavior. (Aside from a few of the FPS players who were rather arrogant and un-cooperative at times.) I've generally found that the only issues came when posting on TL.net (mainly comments about my appearance being ugly from a minority of immature posters. Which are nicely balanced out by those who praise my voice and work), and dealing with non-Korean esports journalists/players during international events. TBH, most of the people I worked with during those events (such as Estars in Seoul and Intel Extreme Masters) were polite, kind and hard-working. I did however, encounter a rather egocentric type who did the following; ~ Patronize my work. ~ Constantly go on about the gorgeous/easiness of the 'booth girls' and other promotional staff. (I actually love shooting these ladies, but I think it's unprofessional to keep mentioning how much you want to bang them whilst people are supposed to be working.) ~ Ignore or otherwise act impolitely around me to impress the attractive ladies. This can be said of pretty much anywhere though. I highly doubt that if I'd involved myself in other aspects of sporting journalism I *wouldn't* have encountered the same type of person. I genuinely think that being attractive might have opened more doors for me during my time working in eSports. However, I don't believe it is better to be known for how pretty you are than to be appreciated for your dedication, hard-work and skills. I actually feel equally as sorry for any women who receive negative remarks about their looks in an eSports related environment *and* those who are considered attractive, but are not also lauded for their work. In relation to hosting I think finding a balance is the key to introducing female hosts. Susie, is imo a good example of this - an intelligent lady who did her best to bring developing knowledge (and personality) to her co-caster role, but who also fulfils the need for an attractive female presence to lure in the mainly male demographic of eSports fans (Haha, Susie if you find this I'm bigging you up here.) Things do seem to be changing gradually, and it's interesting to see all the various opinions floating around out there. I'm not actively involved in eSports any longer, but I'd like to think that other women won't see it as a daunting male-centric fandom into which they won't be welcomed. That's definitely a misconception. Despite my run-ins with certain members of TL.net in the past, the majority of posters and fans whom I've met in person were lovely :D | ||
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