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This whole topic is disgusting.
Even more so b/c I just finished watching Tasteless on Real Talk. Talk about witch hunts. Leave it alone ffs.
Pro-gaming isn't at the point where any of this matters. The moment we talk about this things all go to shit. Give it a fucking rest.
What's even more disgusting is the fact that you start off slingin' names. Who gives a flying shit about why she was there? She was hired to do her job, same as anyone else there.
Holy crap I'm so angry right now.
EDIT: Yeah reading it I can see I'm really, reeeeeeaaaaaaalllllllly angry.
-Holy shit - I want to spam swears so bad. Argh.
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On July 19 2012 03:07 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 02:48 Chrono000 wrote:
I agree with the OP.
Its a joke how people think its a great idea having women just as beauty objects during events. Its really out of place right now and feels really forced. Have you ever seen any boxing match or mma match. Those women are there purely for eye candy, and it's taken to another level by the fact they are only wearing bikini's. It has never hurt anyone. Not to mention the countless 'booth babes' and similar jobs that seem to have already set the precedent for such things in the gaming scene. If having to look at an attractive women is so bothersome it's nobody but your own fault, nothing else really to say. How insecure does someone have to be to focus so hard on something that is so insignificant. You just gotta get over it.
are you kidding me, you cant compare the 2. Esports is such a different area. It looks totally out of place having super attractive women who know nothing about the game looking fake and pretending to care.
The last thing i want is esports to become like other sports with its hyper masculine mindlessness.
Personally I would like to keep sc2 real and putting a pretty face for the sake of a pretty face is not real.
There are many more younger women now growing up appreciating games and so I think women will more naturally be involved in the industry.
We don't need to inject a pretty face to legitimize this area.
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On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life.
What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead?
I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow.
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What sane heterosexual man would complain about having a fine-looking lady at a VIDEO GAME event?
I mean, being an intellectual is great and all but sometimes you just gotta think with your penis.
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On July 19 2012 18:49 EpidemicSC wrote:
What sane heterosexual man would complain about having a fine-looking lady at a VIDEO GAME event?
I mean, being an intellectual is great and all but sometimes you just gotta think with your penis.
I'd rather watch an interview by Clutch or some high-level analysis by Artosis than stare at an attractive female fails multiple times as she tries to pronounce a Korean's ID. ...But that's just me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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On July 19 2012 17:56 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:33 s1ege wrote:On July 19 2012 07:58 Sc2Null wrote:On July 19 2012 07:29 s1ege wrote:On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.
Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Scarlett won WCS Canada and she is one of the most good looking women I have seen in my life. She should cast because she obviously has the knowledge to do so and she would be helping out the community. She is such a great player and to see her cast would be delightful because she can take down great players like HuK or Demuslim. 1. Isn't scarlett a guy going through a procedure or something? 2. whether she/he is or isn't, she is not attractive (varies from person to person) User was warned for this post Scarlett is the most attractive looking SC2 woman I have ever seen ever on the internet. She has amazing SC2 skills as well as being aesthetically pleasing to anyone's eyes. I think she would benefit from being a host or caster for a tournament if she gets eliminated. She would be a hell of a lot better than Anna Prosser or CSN_Rachel or (lol) the blonde from NASL 3 in terms of looks and knowledge. are you lying to yourself? Scarlett is better looking than Rachel? i won't even get Anna involved in this... like, really? O.O edit: i originally thought this thread was about Sue, but after reading it (more than i should, honestly) i really dont see what the fuss is about. females throwing stuff and standing there for eye candy is done in korea, at lot of german sc events, and so on. if she was to take a role of Sue i would understand, nobody wants someone who's not profesional enough doing a (very) important job. but she wasn't, so it's a win-win. i think some people on TL are intimidated by women in general way too much. learn to embrace the vag boys, you'll be better off
He's trolling for fucks sakes dude (unless ur trolling too)
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On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow.
Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes.
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On July 19 2012 22:10 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 18:49 EpidemicSC wrote:
What sane heterosexual man would complain about having a fine-looking lady at a VIDEO GAME event?
I mean, being an intellectual is great and all but sometimes you just gotta think with your penis. I'd rather watch an interview by Clutch or some high-level analysis by Artosis than stare at an attractive female fails multiple times as she tries to pronounce a Korean's ID. ...But that's just me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS. Lol dude there are endless hours of content for your analysis pleasure available all over the web. NASL decided to add a bit of flair to their production by picking up lauren, cry about it some more. Also, "stare at an attractive female"? Thats sounds kinda creepy, how about you just watch and enjoy the show without overthinking it.
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On July 19 2012 13:28 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:30 Exia0276 wrote:
Plus: Look at Clutch. He's one hell of a handsome guy. I'd say his social skills are a lot more important than his starcraft skills. Clutch is frickin' phenomenal. Not gonna lie, I'd rather listen to Clutch's enthusiastic interviews than see an alluring woman stumble over a Korean's handle. Give him a 3-day boot camp around Liquipedia, and he'll have the StarCraft knowledge to complement his social abilities.
Holy crap, I just noticed you basically made the same post two pages in a row......QUIT overthinking it, dude. Also, Clutch doesnt really know anything about sc2, why are you not calling him out? Oh yeah he is a guy and does not intimidate you Im guessing.
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Hurry up everybody, get on twitter and let Lauren know she is not welcome in our scene and that she is too hot and too clueless to ever be</sexism>
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On July 19 2012 18:06 Qwyn wrote:
This whole topic is disgusting.
Even more so b/c I just finished watching Tasteless on Real Talk. Talk about witch hunts. Leave it alone ffs.
Pro-gaming isn't at the point where any of this matters. The moment we talk about this things all go to shit. Give it a fucking rest.
What's even more disgusting is the fact that you start off slingin' names. Who gives a flying shit about why she was there? She was hired to do her job, same as anyone else there.
Holy crap I'm so angry right now.
EDIT: Yeah reading it I can see I'm really, reeeeeeaaaaaaalllllllly angry.
-Holy shit - I want to spam swears so bad. Argh.
There is not a single witchhunt going on here. We are having a decent discussion, it just happens to be filled with redditors that think sexist jokes are funny.
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On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow. Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes.
It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren?
I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up?
I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds.
I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things.
Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing!
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This thread makes no sense at all.
If you want to argue that lauren elise did a shitty job as a host (i didn't pay attention and have no opinion) than make that argument.
If you want to argue that there was some more qualified candidate who actively pursued the position but was passed over for elise based on elise's looks, make that argument.
However, arguing that she shouldn't have been the host because she's attractive is just nonsense. Also, the assumption that hosts need to have detailed knowledge about what they're covering has no basis in fact, and is easily contradicted by watching virtually any event broadcast. Casters need game knowledge, hosts need to know how to conduct interviews, excite the crowd and transition between the different stages of the broadcast.
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On July 19 2012 23:13 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow. Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes. It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren? I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up? I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds. I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things. Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing!
Hey, SMALLTIME people need jobs too. Im not whiteknighting for anybody because I KNOW she doesnt care what you or me have to say about this. Regardless, I just get sick of nerds nitpicking every single damn thing about a tournament. Lauren barely had any screen time let alone speaking time at all and yet people like you still get so upset. And trying to compare nasl and esports to "quality sports broadcasts" is beyond disingenuous, its wrong. Maybe do a little homework on the history of esports and the struggles people have gone through to make it what it is today. Every sport has humble beginings, and how are we to ever have knowledgeable attractive women hosts if you wont even give them a single fuckin chance to improve. The sc2 scene is filled with hardworking people who came from other games that did not deliver the numbers and audience our game enjoys today.
And your 'many people noticed and posted comment" is meaningless. NASL had 4000+ in the live audience and anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 watching the stream, so a FEW people getting upset means that Lauren was an absolute success. Always the vocal minority, silent majority. You are wrong, deal with it.
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On July 19 2012 22:56 stratmatt wrote:
Hurry up everybody, get on twitter and let Lauren know she is not welcome in our scene and that she is too hot and too clueless to ever be</sexism>
LOL
ALERT THE SPONSERS
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Just to share a few of my experiences as a female journalist working in the Korean eSports scene - I generally found working with the domestic teams/managers and other journalists to be a rewarding experience despite the language issues. There was never any trouble from either the staff, managers, fans or players. I was also actively included in post-game/finals events, given access to plenty of additional resources, and I never encountered any negative language or behavior. (Aside from a few of the FPS players who were rather arrogant and un-cooperative at times.)
I've generally found that the only issues came when posting on TL.net (mainly comments about my appearance being ugly from a minority of immature posters. Which are nicely balanced out by those who praise my voice and work), and dealing with non-Korean esports journalists/players during international events. TBH, most of the people I worked with during those events (such as Estars in Seoul and Intel Extreme Masters) were polite, kind and hard-working. I did however, encounter a rather egocentric type who did the following;
~ Patronize my work.
~ Constantly go on about the gorgeous/easiness of the 'booth girls' and other promotional staff. (I actually love shooting these ladies, but I think it's unprofessional to keep mentioning how much you want to bang them whilst people are supposed to be working.)
~ Ignore or otherwise act impolitely around me to impress the attractive ladies.
This can be said of pretty much anywhere though. I highly doubt that if I'd involved myself in other aspects of sporting journalism I *wouldn't* have encountered the same type of person.
I genuinely think that being attractive might have opened more doors for me during my time working in eSports. However, I don't believe it is better to be known for how pretty you are than to be appreciated for your dedication, hard-work and skills. I actually feel equally as sorry for any women who receive negative remarks about their looks in an eSports related environment *and* those who are considered attractive, but are not also lauded for their work.
In relation to hosting I think finding a balance is the key to introducing female hosts. Susie, is imo a good example of this - an intelligent lady who did her best to bring developing knowledge (and personality) to her co-caster role, but who also fulfils the need for an attractive female presence to lure in the mainly male demographic of eSports fans (Haha, Susie if you find this I'm bigging you up here.)
Things do seem to be changing gradually, and it's interesting to see all the various opinions floating around out there. I'm not actively involved in eSports any longer, but I'd like to think that other women won't see it as a daunting male-centric fandom into which they won't be welcomed. That's definitely a misconception. Despite my run-ins with certain members of TL.net in the past, the majority of posters and fans whom I've met in person were lovely :D
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On July 19 2012 23:24 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:13 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow. Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes. It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren? I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up? I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds. I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things. Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing! Hey, SMALLTIME people need jobs too. Im not whiteknighting for anybody because I KNOW she doesnt care what you or me have to say about this. Regardless, I just get sick of nerds nitpicking every single damn thing about a tournament. Lauren barely had any screen time let alone speaking time at all and yet people like you still get so upset. And trying to compare nasl and esports to "quality sports broadcasts" is beyond disingenuous, its wrong. Maybe do a little homework on the history of esports and the struggles people have gone through to make it what it is today. Every sport has humble beginings, and how are we to ever have knowledgeable attractive women hosts if you wont even give them a single fuckin chance to improve. The sc2 scene is filled with hardworking people who came from other games that did not deliver the numbers and audience our game enjoys today. And your 'many people noticed and posted comment" is meaningless. NASL had 4000+ in the live audience and anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 watching the stream, so a FEW people getting upset means that Lauren was an absolute success. Always the vocal minority, silent majority. You are wrong, deal with it.
You're hilarious. You argue stuff i never mentioned and attribute emotions and opinions to me that i never felt/had. We could get knowledgeable attractive female hosts if tournaments promoted women from the gaming community instead of just hiring pretty ladies who, probably, have no interest in gaming whatsoever.
Now, because of you, i've spend more time than i'd like on this. My opinion is that we need more active INTERESTED women hosting/casting/presenting SC2, not a random hot woman hired mainly on looks.
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On July 19 2012 23:35 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:24 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 23:13 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow. Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes. It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren? I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up? I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds. I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things. Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing! Hey, SMALLTIME people need jobs too. Im not whiteknighting for anybody because I KNOW she doesnt care what you or me have to say about this. Regardless, I just get sick of nerds nitpicking every single damn thing about a tournament. Lauren barely had any screen time let alone speaking time at all and yet people like you still get so upset. And trying to compare nasl and esports to "quality sports broadcasts" is beyond disingenuous, its wrong. Maybe do a little homework on the history of esports and the struggles people have gone through to make it what it is today. Every sport has humble beginings, and how are we to ever have knowledgeable attractive women hosts if you wont even give them a single fuckin chance to improve. The sc2 scene is filled with hardworking people who came from other games that did not deliver the numbers and audience our game enjoys today. And your 'many people noticed and posted comment" is meaningless. NASL had 4000+ in the live audience and anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 watching the stream, so a FEW people getting upset means that Lauren was an absolute success. Always the vocal minority, silent majority. You are wrong, deal with it. You're hilarious. You argue stuff i never mentioned and attribute emotions and opinions to me that i never felt/had. We could get knowledgeable attractive female hosts if tournaments promoted women from the gaming community instead of just hiring pretty ladies who, probably, have no interest in gaming whatsoever. Now, because of you, i've spend more time than i'd like on this. My opinion is that we need more active INTERESTED women hosting/casting/presenting SC2, not a random hot woman hired mainly on looks.
Does it matter that she was not interested (or is, and we dont know)? Her job was to do other stuff there. So where exactly is the problem? Is camera man interested? Is the venue personnel interested? Do we care about them?
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On July 19 2012 23:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:35 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 23:24 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 23:13 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life. What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead? I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow. Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes. It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren? I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up? I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds. I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things. Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing! Hey, SMALLTIME people need jobs too. Im not whiteknighting for anybody because I KNOW she doesnt care what you or me have to say about this. Regardless, I just get sick of nerds nitpicking every single damn thing about a tournament. Lauren barely had any screen time let alone speaking time at all and yet people like you still get so upset. And trying to compare nasl and esports to "quality sports broadcasts" is beyond disingenuous, its wrong. Maybe do a little homework on the history of esports and the struggles people have gone through to make it what it is today. Every sport has humble beginings, and how are we to ever have knowledgeable attractive women hosts if you wont even give them a single fuckin chance to improve. The sc2 scene is filled with hardworking people who came from other games that did not deliver the numbers and audience our game enjoys today. And your 'many people noticed and posted comment" is meaningless. NASL had 4000+ in the live audience and anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 watching the stream, so a FEW people getting upset means that Lauren was an absolute success. Always the vocal minority, silent majority. You are wrong, deal with it. You're hilarious. You argue stuff i never mentioned and attribute emotions and opinions to me that i never felt/had. We could get knowledgeable attractive female hosts if tournaments promoted women from the gaming community instead of just hiring pretty ladies who, probably, have no interest in gaming whatsoever. Now, because of you, i've spend more time than i'd like on this. My opinion is that we need more active INTERESTED women hosting/casting/presenting SC2, not a random hot woman hired mainly on looks. Does it matter that she was not interested (or is, and we dont know)? Her job was to do other stuff there. So where exactly is the problem? Is camera man interested? Is the venue personnel interested? Do we care about them?
Lol, I bet the nasl sound guy absolutely LOVES esports and starcraft 2, too bad he isnt any good at sound. Different people, different roles. NASL already had numerous casters and personalities with knowledge of the game, so they added Lauren to bring the heat. NBD. Are you actually trying to say that Soe was knowledgeable enough about the game to be there? because personally I found her knowledge to be lacking. Despite that, I liked her role and hope to see her back as well!
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Jeez, she was there to hand out prizes. Does she even have know Raynor's middle name to do that? (And actually she does know)
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