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InfernoStarcraft
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 15:39:31
July 19 2012 14:59 GMT
#481
MOD EDIT: NO PORN
like this

User was warned for this post
I like Hello Panda's
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
July 19 2012 15:03 GMT
#482
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I'm at fucking work TT
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
July 19 2012 15:17 GMT
#483
almost all video games displays some form of sexism as men are more than likely to be the big muscular rambo type and portraying women with unnaturally curved bodies. so i it's no wonder that the guys running the tournaments are either unconsciously influenced by video games or consciously reproducing the images seen in video games in the off line events as way to sell tickets.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Viktorin
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland59 Posts
July 19 2012 15:40 GMT
#484
On July 18 2012 21:41 Viktorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 11:43 mostevil wrote:
On July 18 2012 10:35 mierin wrote:
I think Soe's doing a pretty good job at being a female in esports...hot, decently knowledgeable about the game, and interacts well with the crowd. Here's hoping for more characters like her to pop up.

She's grade A at dodging creepy advances from popular community figures too.
Personally, I don't like watching ugly people generally, male or female. But by the same measure I'm not entirely comfortable with someone being there who's only purpose is to look pretty, especially if its in a host/interviewer role.
However I think alot of the community just like to see "guys like themselves", which might in part explain the general misogyny of the community and popularity of angry or geeky awkward type characters whom I personally find few qualities in.


Please elaborate. Who made creepy advances?


Bump

Link to video please.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 16:04:58
July 19 2012 15:48 GMT
#485
On July 20 2012 00:40 Viktorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 21:41 Viktorin wrote:
On July 18 2012 11:43 mostevil wrote:
On July 18 2012 10:35 mierin wrote:
I think Soe's doing a pretty good job at being a female in esports...hot, decently knowledgeable about the game, and interacts well with the crowd. Here's hoping for more characters like her to pop up.

She's grade A at dodging creepy advances from popular community figures too.
Personally, I don't like watching ugly people generally, male or female. But by the same measure I'm not entirely comfortable with someone being there who's only purpose is to look pretty, especially if its in a host/interviewer role.
However I think alot of the community just like to see "guys like themselves", which might in part explain the general misogyny of the community and popularity of angry or geeky awkward type characters whom I personally find few qualities in.


Please elaborate. Who made creepy advances?


Bump

Link to video please.



she worked out kennigit was a douche in under 10 minutes :D

On July 19 2012 23:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:
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On July 19 2012 23:35 karpo wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:24 stratmatt wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:13 karpo wrote:
On July 19 2012 22:45 stratmatt wrote:
On July 19 2012 18:45 karpo wrote:
On July 19 2012 17:26 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Whole thread is about:

Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?

If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.

If no, proceed with your happy life.


What an amazing analysis. Or maybe it's just that people don't enjoy watching clueless washed up acresses/models/playboy girls at tournaments. There's quite alot of women that are actually interested in gaming and SC2 so why not use that instead?

I laughed out loud when i found out NASL hired a ex playboy girl. It's just so out of place somehow.



Clueless? Washed up? You sure sound sexist to me. Just admit it, you have no respect for a woman with a great body that is not afraid to show it off. If its not because you are completely jealous you could never date such a girl(and you KNOW thats true) its because well, uh, that must be why lol. Lauren works pretty fuckin hard to maintain maintain her figure I'd imagine, so its not like 'looking good' is some kinda trait only a few people are born with. You have to work at it. So it just seems odd that you thought about this so much you needed to post about it and defend yourself. Time to get over your own insecurites rather than push them onto others. There are MANY jobs in the industry besides hosting that both men and women can and will do, so the idea that sc2 girls should only be hosts is a bit sexist as well. I mean, its not like you recognized the work of any women behind the scenes.


It's quite obvious that a more successful actress/model would not do a smalltime SC2 tournament gig. I'm used to watching quality sports broadcasts where the women who present or host shows are involved with the sport and know alot about the players and teams. Just because i prefer that approach does it mean i'm jealous of Lauren?

I never said anything about her not working hard to look good, why bring that up?

I didn't need to think about it much as it's a simple fucking thing that many people noticed and mentioned in the live report threads. I typed a response here in a few seconds.

I never said all girls should be host nor did i even mention women that work behind the scenes. You need to calm down and stop imagining things.

Edit: 4 post in a row, white knight levels are increasing!




Hey, SMALLTIME people need jobs too. Im not whiteknighting for anybody because I KNOW she doesnt care what you or me have to say about this. Regardless, I just get sick of nerds nitpicking every single damn thing about a tournament. Lauren barely had any screen time let alone speaking time at all and yet people like you still get so upset. And trying to compare nasl and esports to "quality sports broadcasts" is beyond disingenuous, its wrong. Maybe do a little homework on the history of esports and the struggles people have gone through to make it what it is today. Every sport has humble beginings, and how are we to ever have knowledgeable attractive women hosts if you wont even give them a single fuckin chance to improve. The sc2 scene is filled with hardworking people who came from other games that did not deliver the numbers and audience our game enjoys today.

And your 'many people noticed and posted comment" is meaningless. NASL had 4000+ in the live audience and anywhere from 20,000 to 70,000 watching the stream, so a FEW people getting upset means that Lauren was an absolute success. Always the vocal minority, silent majority. You are wrong, deal with it.


You're hilarious. You argue stuff i never mentioned and attribute emotions and opinions to me that i never felt/had. We could get knowledgeable attractive female hosts if tournaments promoted women from the gaming community instead of just hiring pretty ladies who, probably, have no interest in gaming whatsoever.

Now, because of you, i've spend more time than i'd like on this. My opinion is that we need more active INTERESTED women hosting/casting/presenting SC2, not a random hot woman hired mainly on looks.


Does it matter that she was not interested (or is, and we dont know)? Her job was to do other stuff there. So where exactly is the problem? Is camera man interested? Is the venue personnel interested? Do we care about them?


time will tell if she is really interested in ESPORTS or not, after previous nasl lindsey sporror said she loved it, but that turned out to be a pile of poop as she hasnt been in ESPORTS since. but this lauren lady managed to get kicked in the head by a french man and still says shes interested so its worth giving her a chance at least before everyone rules her out as just using the sex appeal or whatever.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
July 19 2012 15:50 GMT
#486
You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 15:57:55
July 19 2012 15:56 GMT
#487
I had absolutely no issues at all with the NASL or any of the staff they chose to have at the finals. The finals were spectacular. Soe was a great host, you don't need to have amazing knowledge of SC2 to be good as hosting or giving interviews and having some eye candy is a plus in any major event especially one as big as the NASL finals.

What I do have an issue with, is having people like Kelly as a Code A caster with an English accent that makes it impossible to understand her and extremely lacking knowledge solely because they are female.

Eye candy is fine, as long as they do the rest of their job decently as well imo.
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NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 16:01:31
July 19 2012 16:00 GMT
#488
I think this poster is spot-on (kudos):

On July 18 2012 08:24 Kreb wrote:
How to present females? Like any other normal human being. Its when you make their sex a huge deal things start to get weird.


Just act like she's not female. I don't mean treat her like a guy, she's still a lady, just don't act weird, don't let your mind wander and your speech or act reflect that. The business world has learnt this, e-sports can also.

For the record, nothing wrong mentioning that a specific lady caster or player is eye candy (if she really is). I suppose things would be similar for a male caster in a more girly genre. Thing is, the eye candy shouldn't be more important than the person (which includes skill, achievements etc.).

Besides, if you dress a girl in normal-sized jeans for her, a normal t-shirt, a hoodie maybe, let alone give her a baseball cap and not a ton of make-up or catwalk act, even a pretty one won't be so distracting and won't make you wonder. Just look at how actual female players act, talk, walk etc. Basically like a classmate you'd go to a cyber cafe with to play games.

I think the key here is not to objectify women by throwing on them all the starvation of a nerdy crowd, some of the members of which don't have superb social skills, aren't noticed much by women, spend time playing computer games rather than socialising and so are starved for contact with a female being (except instead of meaningful contact it often becomes a more physiological kind of deprivation). Which is something women don't need or deserve to deal with.

Basically, a lady gamer or host should not be made into a fetish to fulfil some lacks in a starved young male gamer's life. Because she's a person, not a thing (let alone toy). She's there to play or cast, not to provide a sexual buzz to someone starved for some.

Disclaimer: This is not targeted at anybody specific and does not reflect any specific person, I did not have any named person or even category of persons in mind when writing this. Just in case somebody got the wrong idea.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 16:05:19
July 19 2012 16:03 GMT
#489
I have no problems with a women being apart of any aspects of tournaments. Even if it's the hottest women alive; all I ask is that they have some knowledge of what their talking about. I'm not calling out anyone in particular but in general. If they have someone be apart of hosting a SC2 event I want them to know what their talking about; man or woman.
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
July 19 2012 16:04 GMT
#490
On July 20 2012 00:50 BeeNu wrote:
You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess.

Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 19 2012 16:08 GMT
#491
Sexuality in media is part of life. Get over it.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
July 19 2012 16:09 GMT
#492
On July 20 2012 01:04 h41fgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 00:50 BeeNu wrote:
You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess.

Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed.


People outside ESPORTS won't judge your precious little world because there are a few pretty girls.
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 19 2012 16:10 GMT
#493
On July 20 2012 01:04 h41fgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 00:50 BeeNu wrote:
You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess.

Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed.


You are actually not in any position, you are just a stream watcher with no actual input other than what you post in pointless internet threads. NASL had tens of thousands of viewers. Lauren will be back, and those who are mature enough to handle looking at a beautiful woman without getting jealous or anxious will gladly tune in. Maybe its just some more typical anti-american sentiment from you swedes. All I ever hear about is how swedish women are sooooooo hot from you guys. Well, guess what, America has hot girls too, and a lot more of em.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 16:25:45
July 19 2012 16:14 GMT
#494
On July 20 2012 01:08 polyphonyEX wrote:
Sexuality in media is part of life. Get over it.


I'm sorry, but what kind of argument is this? The obvious response to that line of thinking is to continue to bring up increasingly terrible things that are wrong, but a part of life, and question the one making the argument by asking them if they think people should just get over these things. Child soldiers are part of life too, should we get over it? If so, child molestation is a part of life, should we get over it? How bad do I need to make it for you give up that line of thinking?

Do I need to continue? That argument is terrible, justifying things because they are a "part of life" is wrong regardless if it is dealing with sexuality in media or the exploitation of children. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and simply the existence of something in life does not make it right.


On July 20 2012 01:09 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:04 h41fgod wrote:
On July 20 2012 00:50 BeeNu wrote:
You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess.

Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed.


People outside ESPORTS won't judge your precious little world because there are a few pretty girls.


Except they will.
McRoG
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia13 Posts
July 19 2012 16:26 GMT
#495
One thing that bothers me is when they have females trying to cast, it's never had the sound right to me. They generally don't have the right level of game-knowledge, excitement, banter, humor or charisma that a male caster has & to be frank it's painful to watch.

Where females do shine is hosting & doing interviews. Anna Prosser has been awesome at IPL and should get more opportunities to host other events while Seltzer also basically produces the best content interviews out there.

It might be harsh to say but until they can bring something to the table (like Tastosis/Day9/Dj Wheat etc) they can't be a big involvement in the show and need to just be a side attraction or someone with a purpose.
Dyme
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany523 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 16:30:15
July 19 2012 16:29 GMT
#496
"How to present females in the SCII-community?"

The question already seems funny. It seems to imply "females are not part of the community" "how shall we present those ominous females?".

I would just say we are honest with ourselves and treat them like the pretty [something between object and human being] that they are to us. Just like in advertising or basically everywhere where women do something in a 90%+ male community.

That is, till they actually have something substantial to say.

PS: I really liked Lauren Elise. She didn't do much Starcraft content wise, but she was pretty. She also didn't provoke as many hilarious awkward situations as Lindsey Sporrer, but well, she provided some form of entertainment anyways. Better than MLG music in breaks at the very least.
GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
July 19 2012 16:34 GMT
#497
Why is this going on still? Bring more women in, some with knowledge, some without, and clothe them accordingly so we can be interested in whatever they have to say.

Sex sells but so does cute with the same interests.

wtf
Must not sleep, must warn others
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
July 19 2012 18:36 GMT
#498
So much hate, dafuq, i mean yes ZvG was damn fail but get over it, laugh over it and it's ok,
you have about a dozen other guys hosting/commentating/doing whatever for your high level analysis.

Although some commentators barely have more clue than Lauren Elise and don't get shit on like this.
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 18:51:13
July 19 2012 18:46 GMT
#499
I am surprised this is even an issue. Lauren was great, she added to the vibe at NASL3 Finals. Hopefully she will be back.

Beautiful women exist, and that is a great part of life. I hardly see how having some involved in SC2 tournaments is a bad thing at all. All she was doing was interacting with the crowd to keep them occupied in between games and also giving away free stuff from the sponsors. She was perfectly fine at doing that. She hardly needs to be Code S Level pro-gamer to do that.

If the community is to grow it should strive to be inclusive and not judgemental and resistant to newcomers to the scene. Believe it or not, beautiful women ARE people too. We should welcome them into the community and not create stupid threads like this.
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 19:00:36
July 19 2012 18:57 GMT
#500
Any extra-ordinary mention of a human being based upon his/her gender is sexism. I really despise this special treatment given to people based upon their gender rather than their skill. People who create/support these threads are the same hypocrits that shed tears when they encounter a case of sexism while ironcally fully supporting it on other fronts.
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