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InfernoStarcraft
Australia136 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
.................................................... I'm at fucking work TT | ||
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archonOOid
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Viktorin
Switzerland59 Posts
Bump Link to video please. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
she worked out kennigit was a douche in under 10 minutes :D On July 19 2012 23:38 NightOfTheDead wrote: Does it matter that she was not interested (or is, and we dont know)? Her job was to do other stuff there. So where exactly is the problem? Is camera man interested? Is the venue personnel interested? Do we care about them? time will tell if she is really interested in ESPORTS or not, after previous nasl lindsey sporror said she loved it, but that turned out to be a pile of poop as she hasnt been in ESPORTS since. but this lauren lady managed to get kicked in the head by a french man and still says shes interested so its worth giving her a chance at least before everyone rules her out as just using the sex appeal or whatever. | ||
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BeeNu
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
What I do have an issue with, is having people like Kelly as a Code A caster with an English accent that makes it impossible to understand her and extremely lacking knowledge solely because they are female. Eye candy is fine, as long as they do the rest of their job decently as well imo. | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
On July 18 2012 08:24 Kreb wrote: How to present females? Like any other normal human being. Its when you make their sex a huge deal things start to get weird. Just act like she's not female. I don't mean treat her like a guy, she's still a lady, just don't act weird, don't let your mind wander and your speech or act reflect that. The business world has learnt this, e-sports can also. For the record, nothing wrong mentioning that a specific lady caster or player is eye candy (if she really is). I suppose things would be similar for a male caster in a more girly genre. Thing is, the eye candy shouldn't be more important than the person (which includes skill, achievements etc.). Besides, if you dress a girl in normal-sized jeans for her, a normal t-shirt, a hoodie maybe, let alone give her a baseball cap and not a ton of make-up or catwalk act, even a pretty one won't be so distracting and won't make you wonder. Just look at how actual female players act, talk, walk etc. Basically like a classmate you'd go to a cyber cafe with to play games. I think the key here is not to objectify women by throwing on them all the starvation of a nerdy crowd, some of the members of which don't have superb social skills, aren't noticed much by women, spend time playing computer games rather than socialising and so are starved for contact with a female being (except instead of meaningful contact it often becomes a more physiological kind of deprivation). Which is something women don't need or deserve to deal with. Basically, a lady gamer or host should not be made into a fetish to fulfil some lacks in a starved young male gamer's life. Because she's a person, not a thing (let alone toy). She's there to play or cast, not to provide a sexual buzz to someone starved for some. Disclaimer: This is not targeted at anybody specific and does not reflect any specific person, I did not have any named person or even category of persons in mind when writing this. Just in case somebody got the wrong idea. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:50 BeeNu wrote: You can tell this community is full of children because discussions like this actually still take place, it's cute I guess. Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:04 h41fgod wrote: Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed. People outside ESPORTS won't judge your precious little world because there are a few pretty girls. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:04 h41fgod wrote: Excuse us for wanting to make it right and not have ring girls. We are in a unique position to make a conscious decision on how our sport is portrayed. You are actually not in any position, you are just a stream watcher with no actual input other than what you post in pointless internet threads. NASL had tens of thousands of viewers. Lauren will be back, and those who are mature enough to handle looking at a beautiful woman without getting jealous or anxious will gladly tune in. Maybe its just some more typical anti-american sentiment from you swedes. All I ever hear about is how swedish women are sooooooo hot from you guys. Well, guess what, America has hot girls too, and a lot more of em. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:08 polyphonyEX wrote: Sexuality in media is part of life. Get over it. I'm sorry, but what kind of argument is this? The obvious response to that line of thinking is to continue to bring up increasingly terrible things that are wrong, but a part of life, and question the one making the argument by asking them if they think people should just get over these things. Child soldiers are part of life too, should we get over it? If so, child molestation is a part of life, should we get over it? How bad do I need to make it for you give up that line of thinking? Do I need to continue? That argument is terrible, justifying things because they are a "part of life" is wrong regardless if it is dealing with sexuality in media or the exploitation of children. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and simply the existence of something in life does not make it right. On July 20 2012 01:09 Linwelin wrote: People outside ESPORTS won't judge your precious little world because there are a few pretty girls. Except they will. | ||
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McRoG
Australia13 Posts
Where females do shine is hosting & doing interviews. Anna Prosser has been awesome at IPL and should get more opportunities to host other events while Seltzer also basically produces the best content interviews out there. It might be harsh to say but until they can bring something to the table (like Tastosis/Day9/Dj Wheat etc) they can't be a big involvement in the show and need to just be a side attraction or someone with a purpose. | ||
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Dyme
Germany523 Posts
The question already seems funny. It seems to imply "females are not part of the community" "how shall we present those ominous females?". I would just say we are honest with ourselves and treat them like the pretty [something between object and human being] that they are to us. Just like in advertising or basically everywhere where women do something in a 90%+ male community. That is, till they actually have something substantial to say. PS: I really liked Lauren Elise. She didn't do much Starcraft content wise, but she was pretty. She also didn't provoke as many hilarious awkward situations as Lindsey Sporrer, but well, she provided some form of entertainment anyways. Better than MLG music in breaks at the very least. | ||
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
Sex sells but so does cute with the same interests. wtf | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
you have about a dozen other guys hosting/commentating/doing whatever for your high level analysis. Although some commentators barely have more clue than Lauren Elise and don't get shit on like this. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Beautiful women exist, and that is a great part of life. I hardly see how having some involved in SC2 tournaments is a bad thing at all. All she was doing was interacting with the crowd to keep them occupied in between games and also giving away free stuff from the sponsors. She was perfectly fine at doing that. She hardly needs to be Code S Level pro-gamer to do that. If the community is to grow it should strive to be inclusive and not judgemental and resistant to newcomers to the scene. Believe it or not, beautiful women ARE people too. We should welcome them into the community and not create stupid threads like this. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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