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On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports.
This. Lauren wasn't there taking someone else's role. She was there in addition to the other hosts. So please no more 'I'd prefer a host who can hold a 12 minute roach push' bullshit.
She had her own role - the hot hostess. It's not the first time this kind of thing has been done, nor will it be the last.
If you believe there are girls who think they are up for the job of hot hostess and do not object to being viewed as eye-candy, they should forward their applications to NASL.
Plus: Look at Clutch. He's one hell of a handsome guy. I'd say his social skills are a lot more important than his starcraft skills.
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I think I'd feel great about this thread if I were Lauren :O
22 pages of "omg Lauren is way too hot! Like, totally unreasonably hot!" Someone make sure she sees this thread!
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On July 19 2012 12:32 Bibbit wrote:
I think I'd feel great about this thread if I were Lauren :O
22 pages of "omg Lauren is way too hot! Like, totally unreasonably hot!" Someone make sure she sees this thread!
I actually thinks she looked pretty average, which is why this thread gives me lulz. All this over an average looking hostess. Imagine if they got the bikinis out.
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On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. Who would it turn off? Us? We all watched it, most of us have watched all of NASL. Incoming players? Somehow I dont think they're as pretentious as you imagine them to be. The mainstream media? They're hostile anyways if they dont ignore us, hot women however would be totally in line with mainstream activities and wouldnt make them bat an eye. In fact something like this probably would.
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She is hot, good for her and good for esports. People like looking at hot people.
Soe is hot too, and I think a good host and caster.
There is room for everyone in esports.
Bring on the hot girls 
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On July 19 2012 12:30 Exia0276 wrote:
Plus: Look at Clutch. He's one hell of a handsome guy. I'd say his social skills are a lot more important than his starcraft skills.
Clutch is frickin' phenomenal. Not gonna lie, I'd rather listen to Clutch's enthusiastic interviews than see an alluring woman stumble over a Korean's handle. Give him a 3-day boot camp around Liquipedia, and he'll have the StarCraft knowledge to complement his social abilities.
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On July 19 2012 13:28 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:30 Exia0276 wrote:
Plus: Look at Clutch. He's one hell of a handsome guy. I'd say his social skills are a lot more important than his starcraft skills. Clutch is frickin' phenomenal. Not gonna lie, I'd rather listen to Clutch's enthusiastic interviews than see an alluring woman stumble over a Korean's handle. Give him a 3-day boot camp around Liquipedia, and he'll have the StarCraft knowledge to complement his social abilities.
Yes and that's fine. Understand that this wasn't a choice of one or the other. NASL gave us both. It is this variety that appeals to a broad audience of different preferences. Let everyone like what they like, but don't go preaching to others about what they can or cannot like.
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I didn't catch the latest in NASL, so I just googled Lauren Elise and...OK I get the idea. In case you're asking, yes I saw the dailymotion videos. Moving on.
Something tells me that, behind the OP's original write-up is the negative thoughts behind what Lauren used to do and how her career path eventually came to the NASL.
There are people who judge others by their past career/job choices and it's not entirely fair. If Lauren just came out of nowhere and had no history with Playboy and so on, would this thread even exist?
I would take a guess and state that it would probably would not.
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I'm not a big fan of bringing a girl in simply because she looks good. She has to be some way related to gaming in general, or to the Esports scene, or specific to StarCraft 2. No one will respect her, and everyone will begin to scoff at her, which hurts her position and who she represents, after making initial generalizations about how hot she is of course. Bring girls in who are passionate about Esports or gaming competition, or even better, about StarCraft. I don't care how hot they are, simply having females represented in this way would be awesome. You can keep out girls brought in specifically to be crowd pleasers.
I just roll my eyes when I see them. I know there are alot of dudes out there who will be manipulated by hot babes toting gear and introducing players, but I wish it wasn't like that, so I'll cast my vote against it every time. I'm looking at you Dr. Pepper Girls at MLG.
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On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points.
The Starcraft 2 community is probably the most intellectual community I've known, and I seek out intellectual communities. And this is because the game itself is intellectual. People spend a lot of time thinking about this game, and some crazy innovation comes out of peoples brains, it is really neat to see.
With that said, I'd much rather have a host who cares about the game. And to truly care about Starcraft, you really have to understand it (doesn't mean you have to be good at it...).
There really is no reason to bring eye candy into this. The game isn't designed to cater to the male audience in such a way that it makes us feel "manly" and needs to bring in women to objectify to help us feel "manly". If anything sitting at a computer playing a game is the opposite. So when I see these females hosts, I think "what are you doing you here?" then I think "oh you're getting paid because you couldn't get a better gig... sweet... now I have to listen to you pretend to care about this and show off your acting skills..." You can tell these people don't really care about Starcraft, they care about getting paid, and if something else paid better, they'd be all over it. Am I wrong? You know better than me, but I'm pretty sure I am correct. Like a used car salesmen, they'll say anything to sell the product, but only because they will paid. Maybe that is you too MrBitter, I don't know, but from what I've seen of your casting (and I enjoy your casting) you seem to care about the game a lot, and you do a good job of faking it if you are.
It is this "fakeness" that this community really doesn't need. Can you not hire real hosts?
And these fake hosts lead to awkward moments. I have no reason to "interact" with Lauren at the event (unless of course she really cares about Starcraft), I am married, but even if I wasn't, I don't enjoy fake people and I wouldn't want to date her or talk to her anyway. I don't like people who put on these shows so they can get paid. In fact I abhor them, and if you worked in the field I work in (mental health), you probably would too.
And I feel like this community isn't into that kind of stuff anyway. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone here is carefully gelling their hair and striving to be voted most popular at school, or get on the Jersey Shore or whatever other reality TV show. It just isn't what I am are interested in, and I think most people here see right through this garbage, and end up "putting up" with these kinds of hosts instead of being like "wow she is really hot, I want to interact with her!" Again I could be wrong.
But honestly I would be embarrassed to show some of these leagues to my wife or friends. You can cut the awkwardness with a knife. Having "eye candy" at the event just doesn't fit in, at all, and it is very apparent.
Finally, and worst, it is the degradation and objectification of women. This isn't the WWE, this is Starcraft, and it has an intellectual community, so we see it.
And if you don't think that is the case, then why hire her so she can be "hot"? Why couldn't you have hired her because she has vast knowledge of Starcraft, ect, ect... I don't watch the NASL to see women, I watch it because Starcraft gets my brain going. Women get a different part of me going, and trust me, if I want to get that part going, I will do something other than watch Starcraft.
Let's take E-sports seriously, not make a mockery of it. And let's support it by having hosts who know a lot about the game, who are truly passionate about it, and don't fake it. And then we are paying people who are Starcraft fans, and not people who are there only because it the best paying job at the moment, so we are lining the pockets of people who will in turn help grow E-sports more.
Because when it comes down to it, if E-sports starts to go south financially, the first people to bail will be all the fake people who were there to get a check. We don't need people in E-sports who see E-sports as a means to an end. We need people who see E-sports as the end. People who will be there, even if the money isn't.
Overall I am just very disappointed in your post.
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On July 19 2012 14:41 D_K_night wrote:
There are people who judge others by their past career/job choices and it's not entirely fair.
Why isnt it fair? If you choose poorly in the past your future life should be affected by it. Otherwise it teaches people that "taking the easy way instead of the right way" has no consequences and that leads to a worse society with lots more selfishness than we can afford.
Would you give Nick Leeson a job at a bank ignoring his past history?
Would you have a criminal become your financial manager?
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Too many times people ignore past behaviour and dont punish others for it and this is bad for our society. The opposite is equally bad, so dont accuse me of proposing that, but there is a great need for deciding more with your brain instead of your emotion and "its not fair" is an emotional response made in a sandbox. Life isnt fair in any case, but punishing someone for taking the easy way is actually making it fairer for all of us who didnt take that way.
On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points.
I despise any company or organization which tries to use "sex sells" as a means to an end. Thanks for making that clear about the NASL. We humans need to be better than that!
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Whole thread is about:
Do i feel insecure when i see hot girl interacting with male audience?
If yes, proceed on some ripping on senseless things that have no impact on reality, or business practices. Or better - get some serious stuff to do and insecurity will vanish.
If no, proceed with your happy life.
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The only thing that goes trough my head when i see a girl talking about starcraft who obviously does not know what she is talking about is: Shut up and show the game already.
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On July 19 2012 15:41 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 14:41 D_K_night wrote:
There are people who judge others by their past career/job choices and it's not entirely fair. Why isnt it fair? If you choose poorly in the past your future life should be affected by it. Otherwise it teaches people that "taking the easy way instead of the right way" has no consequences and that leads to a worse society with lots more selfishness than we can afford. Would you give Nick Leeson a job at a bank ignoring his past history? Would you have a criminal become your financial manager? ... Too many times people ignore past behaviour and dont punish others for it and this is bad for our society. The opposite is equally bad, so dont accuse me of proposing that, but there is a great need for deciding more with your brain instead of your emotion and "its not fair" is an emotional response made in a sandbox. Life isnt fair in any case, but punishing someone for taking the easy way is actually making it fairer for all of us who didnt take that way. Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. I despise any company or organization which tries to use "sex sells" as a means to an end. Thanks for making that clear about the NASL. We humans need to be better than that!
Guess what, we never will. "Sex sells" worked 160'000 years ago and will work till humanity ceases to exist. It's our nature.
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present them naked 
User was warned for this post
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now that i think about it ailuj shld have done it. she was about as hot as that playboy girl plus the community knows her already
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On July 18 2012 08:24 Kreb wrote:
How to present females? Like any other normal human being. Its when you make their sex a huge deal things start to get weird.
QFT.
The moment we stop asking these stupid questions we'll have our answer. Immaturity will always be around (writing essay after essay on gender equality in vidja games doesn't do anything for anybody). Starcraft requires a good mind and quick hands, not genitalia. On all fronts the whole subject needs to be dropped, fuck "all female teams" just be a team. The less attention you draw to it the less bullshit you have to deal with it.
It really feels like when there's a female bio/write up there's always this subtext of how much of a disability it is to be a female gamer. People think talking about how "tough it is to be a female gamer in a male dominated world" is doing them a favour when really it's keeping things at a standstill.
That being said if you want to use your sex to gain publicity, prepare for good and bad. But you're going to find celebrity worship/obsession anywhere and I'm sure there are many female players than want a name to live vicariously through just like guys have their favourite players.
And in regards to the OP, e-sports is show business. Attractive people and show business go hand in hand.
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You either have to be hot or be good at the game. for example, scarlett is.... known for her skills not her looks but she is doing decent in the sc2 community because of her skills. anna prosser, she is probably bronze but hey, she is hot, and she gets attention that way. megumi on the other hand, holy fucking shit, she's so hot and decent at the game
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On July 19 2012 15:41 Rabiator wrote:
Would you have a criminal become your financial manager?
Pfft. That's standard practice here in the States.
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On July 19 2012 08:33 s1ege wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:58 Sc2Null wrote:On July 19 2012 07:29 s1ege wrote:On July 18 2012 08:03 mrtomjones wrote:
The day a really good looking female achieves something in SC based on her play is the day she will have a bright future as a part of the commentating/host side of the events.
Every sport in the world has people involved who never achieved anything. Deal with it. Not every aspect of hosting requires SC knowledge really either. Scarlett won WCS Canada and she is one of the most good looking women I have seen in my life. She should cast because she obviously has the knowledge to do so and she would be helping out the community. She is such a great player and to see her cast would be delightful because she can take down great players like HuK or Demuslim. 1. Isn't scarlett a guy going through a procedure or something? 2. whether she/he is or isn't, she is not attractive (varies from person to person) User was warned for this post Scarlett is the most attractive looking SC2 woman I have ever seen ever on the internet. She has amazing SC2 skills as well as being aesthetically pleasing to anyone's eyes. I think she would benefit from being a host or caster for a tournament if she gets eliminated. She would be a hell of a lot better than Anna Prosser or CSN_Rachel or (lol) the blonde from NASL 3 in terms of looks and knowledge.
are you lying to yourself?
Scarlett is better looking than Rachel? i won't even get Anna involved in this...
like, really? O.O
edit: i originally thought this thread was about Sue, but after reading it (more than i should, honestly) i really dont see what the fuss is about. females throwing stuff and standing there for eye candy is done in korea, at lot of german sc events, and so on. if she was to take a role of Sue i would understand, nobody wants someone who's not profesional enough doing a (very) important job. but she wasn't, so it's a win-win. i think some people on TL are intimidated by women in general way too much. learn to embrace the vag boys, you'll be better off
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