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On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points.
The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host."
The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible.
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On July 18 2012 22:09 Ramanujan wrote:
Women get a lot of advantages in society simply because they're women. Better treatment, jobs, money, mates, etc. I imagine this "outrage" at some hot girl getting a job is because it's no longer ambiguous why she got it. If she's plain looking at least you can pretend she got the job because she's talented or something.
What society do you live in, sir?
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A vocal minority will always look greater than a pleased majority.
I just noticed most of the comments here have no logical backup anyway, they merely express GREAT displeasure over something which is supposed to be fun, girls 'n dem gamez!
We should welcome super models, play bunnies, e-sport girls, it's all good news to me, no bias. I think it is very disappointing that people sit around arguing about peoples day-job and nitpicking at their experience or what clothes they wear over superstitions and grandparent logic.
The only thing I see with forum posts is they can destroy peoples confidence and make them not want to get involved, and make a company get scared about trying new interesting ideas due to the unknown backlash. It's really pathetic, because all these girls want to do is enjoy the fun and the gamez with you guys, but you are all too focused judging them with ridiculous unfounded nonsense.
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On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible.
did someone spell her name wrong?
drama gets more attention then the winner of a tourny but the winner of NASL got alot more attention then the winner of recent tournaments
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On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible.
This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports.
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On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports.
But yet she is still introduced.
Isn't the other host enough?
But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play.
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is there any girl live right now?
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On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports.
you need to treat females as equals
and by this i mean you needed to get lauren in one of those sumo suits
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On July 19 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. But yet she is still introduced. Isn't the other host enough? But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play.
Our set of hosts served two very different purposes.
One was to break down and help provide fresh insight to the games whenever they weren't casting on stage (Day9 and Soe). Those two worked splendidly together and they fulfilled the role exceptionally well. Sean takes the lead and Soe follows up. Sometimes Soe is trusted to lead discussion/interviews and Day9 is doing other stuff. It's a team and its great teamwork.
The other pair is to tend to the crowd. Clutch introduces, announces, and general interaction. Lauren is there too, except she is more assisting than in charge. Sometimes Lauren asks the question and adds a different dimension. She's also attractive and has a fun personality. They worked together as a team just like Day9/Soe.
Double hosting isn't bad at all. Oscars/Academy Awards, news anchoring, and many other areas of entertainment feature male/female combos that work well. I feel like everyone did their job and Lauren clearly got everyone's attention which was the main operative clause in getting her.
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On July 19 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. But yet she is still introduced. Isn't the other host enough? But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play.
Personally, I was not aware, nor did I care that she was involved until this moronic thread came up saying that is was not good that she was involved. Then I felt the need to argue against how dumb that point is, since she did not detract from the event in any way. The argument basically boils down to "I don't think pretty girls should be paid to host events, even if they are the third or fourth host at the event. I fell like I am being pandered to if they exist at the event." If they had her walking around in her underwear or bathing suit, that would be pandering.
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On July 19 2012 11:40 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. you need to treat females as equals and by this i mean you needed to get lauren in one of those sumo suits
only if they get Day[9] in one too
and Tastosis in one sumo suit
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On July 19 2012 11:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. But yet she is still introduced. Isn't the other host enough? But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play. Personally, I was not aware, nor did I care that she was involved until this moronic thread came up saying that is was not good that she was involved. Then I felt the need to argue against how dumb that point is, since she did not detract from the event in any way. The argument basically boils down to "I don't think pretty girls should be paid to host events, even if they are the third or fourth host at the event. I fell like I am being pandered to if they exist at the event." If they had her walking around in her underwear or bathing suit, that would be pandering.
Well Day[9] and various of others have shown their experiences and place in competitive gaming (fuck that esport term) and have worked their asses off to get to where they are today. And now some female who appeared on the show/event that don't even possess 1/2 of the knowledge as the veterans is hired. I personally do not feel that it is very much fair.
Earn the spot first.
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I have to just lol at this thread. You think esports will be ruined by attractive female hosts who aren't SC experts? Because obviously this has never happened before. *rolling eyes* Have you ever watched professional BW events (not just the replays). Look at this vod in the current OSL, skip to about 42 seconds in if you want to see what esports is already all about.
Mind you this is korean BW. Which is far more established successful and mature than anything SC2 has achieved yet.
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On July 19 2012 11:46 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:43 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. But yet she is still introduced. Isn't the other host enough? But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play. Personally, I was not aware, nor did I care that she was involved until this moronic thread came up saying that is was not good that she was involved. Then I felt the need to argue against how dumb that point is, since she did not detract from the event in any way. The argument basically boils down to "I don't think pretty girls should be paid to host events, even if they are the third or fourth host at the event. I fell like I am being pandered to if they exist at the event." If they had her walking around in her underwear or bathing suit, that would be pandering. Well Day[9] and various of others have shown their experiences and place in competitive gaming (fuck that esport term) and have worked their asses off to get to where they are today. And now some female who appeared on the show/event that don't even possess 1/2 of the knowledge as the veterans is hired. I personally do not feel that it is very much fair. Earn the spot first.
so someones whos job in no way at all is related in any way to game knowledge should prove game knowledge first?
how about she proves shes a good host by being a good host not properly defending a 7 gate as zerg
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She's there to get attention. This is no worse than a booth babe, which has become more than standard for any sort of convention.
Mad or not, she seems to have done her job.
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I really struggle to see how there's a discussion to be had here.
Present females how they want to be presented and how they can and should be presented. For Soe and Lauren, how they can and should be presented is very different and there's nothing wrong with that.
Just like you wouldn't stick Clutch on the post-game analysis couch while BitterDam beckon players onto the stage and ask how they feel. I'm not saying they couldn't do that role, but there's a clear place for them just like Clutch's role is clear.
Women are being treated like some mythical beast whose power needs to be harnessed for the power and glory of esports. Screw that, just put people where they shine.
Whether or not it was worth it to hire Lauren is a different question; I'd say it was well worth it.
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On July 19 2012 11:46 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:43 Plansix wrote:On July 19 2012 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 MrBitter wrote:On July 19 2012 11:18 Glurkenspurk wrote:On July 19 2012 11:12 MrBitter wrote:
How the hell is there a 21 page topic on TL about Lauren?
The fact that you guys are discussing this at such length absolutely proves that hiring her was a great idea.
We brought her to Toronto for a very specific reason. She was there to look hot, to interact some with the fans, and to get people talking.
Mission accomplished on all points. The problem is that it's not good publicity. It feels more like "We wanted tits for viewers." and not "We're a genuine esports event with a good host." The fact that some blonde is a bigger talking point than the winner at a tournament is horrible. This argument would hold water if we didn't also have two other phenomenal hosts with a history in e-sports. But yet she is still introduced. Isn't the other host enough? But I guess not because the event needs more viewers and in exchange, that's where the 'tits' part comes into play. Personally, I was not aware, nor did I care that she was involved until this moronic thread came up saying that is was not good that she was involved. Then I felt the need to argue against how dumb that point is, since she did not detract from the event in any way. The argument basically boils down to "I don't think pretty girls should be paid to host events, even if they are the third or fourth host at the event. I fell like I am being pandered to if they exist at the event." If they had her walking around in her underwear or bathing suit, that would be pandering. Well Day[9] and various of others have shown their experiences and place in competitive gaming (fuck that esport term) and have worked their asses off to get to where they are today. And now some female who appeared on the show/event that don't even possess 1/2 of the knowledge as the veterans is hired. I personally do not feel that it is very much fair. Earn the spot first.
It is very unclear how someone "earns" the spot at an event. I know little to nothing about Clutch, with exception that he can do the "Boxing announcer" voice on command and knows how to hype a crowd. I didn't question his competitive gaming qualifications and just assumed he was there for a reason. The same went for Lauren and did not automatically assume that she was hired because she looked good. I do not assume an woman are hired for her looks.
This is my problem with every single one of these threads every time they appear. Members of the community demanding that women be "qualified" to be involved with events, even though they are only interviewing people or introducing players. The qualifications for interviewing are "can you hold a mic and ask questions in a friendly manner". And there would be no demand for qualification if a guy was preforming the interviews.
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Not a big fan of hiring a pretty lady just for the sake of said prettiness, it IS a bit objectifying (NASL wouldn't hire a woman with little SC2 involvement to do Lauren's job unless they were nice to look at), but if someone like Lauren wants to step into the role willingly, then that's her choice. From a business perspective it makes sense to both the employer ("sex sells") and employee ($$$), but that doesn't mean it would exist in everyone's perfect world. I'd prefer someone genuinely interested and involved in the community with passion they wear on their sleeve for everyone to see. If they are a girl, and cute, well, that's a bonus. 
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NASL wouldn't hire a woman with little SC2 involvement to do Lauren's job unless they were nice to look at
NOONE would hire a women to do Laurens job unless they were nice to look at
thats the whole reason you hire a host, if they look good and sound good then there good for the job
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IMHO just as regular compatriots in gaming. Unless someone finds a reason why they're handicapped with respect to gaming and shows it to be substantial I don't see why we make such a big deal out of a girl-gamer. To me equality is the way to go.
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