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Epoch
Canada257 Posts
Then I would ask you why, you would respond with some shit and I would promptly dismantle your arguments. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
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eXeJJu
Switzerland55 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On July 16 2012 20:00 eXeJJu wrote: Something like that? http://checkthis.com/dragon $50 to go from Masters to GM, sounds so incredibly low. Considering how painful of a grind that can be, added with the luck factor of a spot opening. Haha, or even bronze to gm, neat. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:32 VPCursed wrote: Pro's need $ and in e-sports their isn't enough going around unless you're a top contender in tourneys.. hell.. i've seen forgg stream him self account leveling and chat with the person he was doing it for... Don't think its that bad of a thing tbh I would like to correct some idiocy that is spreading in this thread. ForGG has never leveled any account for anybody on stream. What this person is referring to is me giving away my bnet account so that ForGG could play on EU servers (I have since bought a new account for my personal use). Any decent person would have asked on the stream chat and known about it. I would appreciate if such baseless attacks smearing respectable progamers reputation would stop being thrown so easily. | ||
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nweb
198 Posts
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
GM has always been a big joke anyway. | ||
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Geiko
France2032 Posts
On July 16 2012 20:04 Irave wrote: $50 to go from Masters to GM, sounds so incredibly low. Considering how painful of a grind that can be, added with the luck factor of a spot opening. Haha, or even bronze to gm, neat. Haha, paying gold --> diamond is more expensive than paying him to go gold --> plat --> diamond ... | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
1. Leveled accounts 2. hackers 3. people who are very skilled at some kind of cheese 4. and what, like 5 actual good players? Maybe it's time to accept that such a machine run ranking system (that can easily be cheated) isn't the right way to scout for talent or to proove your good. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
In an ideal world, smurf accounts would not be allowed either. Then ladder ranking could actually be used for something meaningful. Let's use a chess analogy: let's say that an amateur player paid a chess grandmaster to obtain a grandmaster title for him. In the process, several aspiring players in the same tournament were unable to achieve their final GM "norm" (points counting towards GM qualification) because they were playing against an elite player. Surely, bot the actual grandmaster and the paying "customer" would be severely punished for such a fraud. Would you guys be OK with paying someone to take your exams for you? Just because we support pro players and their livelihoods does not mean we have to support their actions. Two wrongs do not make a right, and the ends do not justify the means, etc. etc. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
As a casual gamer it doesn't bother me. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On July 16 2012 20:28 Daniel C wrote: It seems to me that one of the main reasons that people who are defending this practice offer is that "it's just ladder". Sadly, the integrity of ladder continues to suffer precisely because of this attitude. If ladder truly meant nothing, then yeah, who cares. But for aspiring semi-pros, GM may make the difference between getting noticed or not, or tournament qualification. In an ideal world, smurf accounts would not be allowed either. Then ladder ranking could actually be used for something meaningful. Let's use a chess analogy: let's say that an amateur player paid a chess grandmaster to obtain a grandmaster title for him. In the process, several aspiring players in the same tournament were unable to achieve their final GM "norm" (points counting towards GM qualification) because they were playing against an elite player. Surely, bot the actual grandmaster and the paying "customer" would be severely punished for such a fraud. Would you guys be OK with paying someone to take your exams for you? Just because we support pro players and their livelihoods does not mean we have to support their actions. Two wrongs do not make a right, and the ends do not justify the means, etc. etc. No, I defend it because I don't think anyone should really care what people want to spend their money on. Also, when the number one argument is how leveling accounts degrades the integrity of GM what the fuck else do you expect to hear in response? GM IS very abusable, REGARDLESS of leveling accounts. It's an issue with GM, and the value everyone is placing in it. Comparison isn't relevant. Also, in general everyone needs to stop mentioning pro players, they aren't all pro players offering it. | ||
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FSKi
United States901 Posts
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j0ker
275 Posts
people comparing this to maphacking should do everyone a favor and never post anything on the internet again On July 16 2012 20:28 Daniel C wrote: But for aspiring semi-pros, GM may make the difference between getting noticed or not, or tournament qualification. No. it makes absolutely 0 difference. The difference between Master and GM means absolutely nothing to anyone that has anything to do with professional Starcraft 2 and is nothing more than a shiny icon to boost ones e-peen. Anyone who is actually upset with this needs to take a long hard look at their lives. | ||
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On July 16 2012 20:23 B.I.G. wrote: so let met get this straight, GM now consists of: 1. Leveled accounts 2. hackers 3. people who are very skilled at some kind of cheese 4. and what, like 5 actual good players? Maybe it's time to accept that such a machine run ranking system (that can easily be cheated) isn't the right way to scout for talent or to proove your good. you are saying this based off on...? half of the NA GM ladder are the pros. look at the list... | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On July 16 2012 20:40 xodarap wrote: It may be an odd point to bring up, but Derrick Rose, arguably the best point guard on the planet paid for someone else to take his SATs, and even now with him being in the NBA, nobody cares that he "cheated" to get there. This was a big story when he was still a recruit, but now people have forgotten. Because Derrick Rose is fucking awesome! | ||
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
On July 16 2012 19:52 Epoch wrote: Then I would ask you why, you would respond with some shit and I would promptly dismantle your arguments. i want to get into gm but its full of hackers and cheaters(who level the account), argue against this one and no, im not gonna become as good as nerchio to get into gm, thats why gm has 200 spots, you don't need to be as good as a top european pro to be gm, nonetheless if you are not you might as well say goodbye to it because only one of those could legitimately get into gm by beating hackers and account levelers.Sad but true, gm is retarded! | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On July 16 2012 17:03 KawaiiRice wrote: the problems are that ppl are clogging up gm slots and also ppl that got their accs leveled can use gm as credential to sell coaching to those that don't know any better. its a big issue if you think about that ... yeah like Kawaii says. And if you think about it! It's like buying or downloading a program that plays for you to get top200 which throws down someone else from top 200. And everyone complaining about the "bots running itself to get better stuff on D3" is a big time cheat. If you look at it this is the same thing except someone is paying someone else to get u to top 200 without the person doing anything. .. | ||
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