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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
July 16 2012 09:47 GMT
#121
nice thread, it is done, but i don't think it's that important because it is almost equivalent to the pro's smurf.
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 09:52:23
July 16 2012 09:48 GMT
#122
On July 16 2012 18:43 Flamingo777 wrote:
Sometimes I let my 7 year old brother play on my account. It's ladder abuse and cheating, feeding all the pubbies free wins... AM I DOIN' IT RIGHT?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Not only that you break blizzard rules -whats a death sin-, its also unfair advantage.
Who plays your little brother gets more wins than the guy who have to beat good people for the win.
So you are basic cheating!
I hope bilizzard bans your cheating 7 year old brother for loosing games!

Thats what i have to answer isnt it? if not, sorry, im new to this kind of threads
Did did not figure out when to RAGE, when to write FIGHTINGGGGG or when to write "support esports" yet...
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fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
July 16 2012 09:57 GMT
#123
Happens in every game, progamers need money and its not like the cheaters will stay in gm. they will lose and provide free rating to everyone they play , and if they don't play at all then their rating will decay.. don't see why this is an issue, yes its against EULA but I can't believe that is your motivation.

the hacking connection just adds to the mess that the op is.

aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
July 16 2012 09:59 GMT
#124
it is a small price that we have to pay in order to support a larger pro gamer base. I think this small price is worth it.
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
July 16 2012 10:01 GMT
#125
Who cares about just another smurf account of a progamer?
The only person duped is the one actually paying money for this kind of service.
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
July 16 2012 10:04 GMT
#126
Who cares? When theres demand theres supply.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
July 16 2012 10:05 GMT
#127
If im aspiring semi-pro GM level and waiting for the promote and then forgg takes it with his second account after he beats me?
So what im aspiring to be as good as him i shouldnt mind playing pros at this point.. Dont see the point
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
July 16 2012 10:06 GMT
#128
I think we should have a witch hunt on witch hunters ^^ It would be a blast I promise =)

Leveling accounts is exactly the same as having more than one account. Probably every progamer has more than one account. Stop hating on people trying to squeeze a buck without slaving for the man...
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
July 16 2012 10:09 GMT
#129
On July 16 2012 18:30 seansye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 18:20 Tobberoth wrote:
On July 16 2012 18:19 seansye wrote:
I dont see any of this being harmless to the buyer, seller, or breaking any rules even though it's against the rules for w.e reason. They will probably just get demoted the next season anyways. Just a huge pathetic waste of money to the buyer that can't spend their money on something better, but hey it's their hard earned money

People also do this on D3 by providing service to level characters to 60 on JSP.

No one is affected by you being carried to lvl 60. Players who are trying to break into GM, however, are hurt by pros who level up bad players accounts to GM, taking the of the few spots available. It's not comparable at all.


People who have to pay to get their accounts to GM are eventually going to fall off. Its not like being in GM gives you and special privileges. As long as your MMR is high enough you will be able to match with any GM player even if you're in masters.

This is a serious non issue. A real issue is hackers that take up a GM spot and can actually keep their spots.

Of course they are going to fall off, but the pros are still doing this as a service. Let's imagine 5 strong GM pros are doing this, and they get 2-3 people per week. That's 10-15 spots in GM taken by people who shouldn't be there, just like hackers. How long does it take to fall off because of inactivity? two weeks? And they can still be active, if they play once a week, they can probably stay in GM for quite a while, while the pros keep leveling up new people there. I guess this is somewhat migitated by the fact that GM is sort of "locked" when it's full, but still.

I'm all for good players making money, but this is not a cool way to do it and I would think most pros who do this kind of stuff wouldn't want to parade it around too much.
Nokshalees
Profile Joined March 2012
United States120 Posts
July 16 2012 10:23 GMT
#130
Jesus, you people would create drama over anything.

Teamliquid is just as bad as reddit.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 16 2012 10:31 GMT
#131
Naama is awesome, hope he got good money. The person who paid him won't be able to sustain GM so who cares, assuming this is all true.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
dudesrslywtf
Profile Joined July 2011
11 Posts
July 16 2012 10:32 GMT
#132
"The people most likely to buy leveling services are associated with hacking and botting communities. Indeed, many of the ads I mentioned are on hacking sites."

I feel like this needs some clarification. I've never been to a hacking site so I don't know how it works. Are these ads from pro-gamers posts in a forum or are they paid advertising banners or what? I think it's a huge problem if pro-gamers are providing financial support to the very same people who are ruining this game. On the flip side, even if they are just free ads or forum posts or something, I find the fact that pro-gamers are willing to grace these sites with their presence shows a disturbing affiliation between them that makes me uncomfortable.
Areon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States273 Posts
July 16 2012 10:34 GMT
#133
This is almost as bad as the idea of someone paying for Battlenet portraits. Why the hell would anyone waste their money to such a useless end? And if it brings in more money for progamers and keeps them in the scene and interested, why the hell is it a bad thing?
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
July 16 2012 10:36 GMT
#134
I don't see how this is hurting anyone. The guy paying for his account to be leveled will get stomped every game he tries to play 1v1 against opponents 3 leagues above his skill level. Also, pro gamers are making money so... it's good. I see it as another service, like coaching for lazy people. Hey, if they just want that star in their profile without being good and are willing to pay for it it's fine.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
InsaniaK
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden120 Posts
July 16 2012 10:40 GMT
#135
On July 16 2012 17:53 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 17:47 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:42 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On July 16 2012 17:38 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
The fact that anyone gives a shit about this astounds me. You just play the game if that guy got an account leveled to GM he is obviously not a GM player and will be kicked out eventually that is how the ladder system works. If he chooses not to play he will be dropped from GM for having a high Bonus pool it's not a big deal it doesn't matter this thread is kind of pointless.


The apathy towards it astounds me. People saying ladder doesn't matter anyway, well it certainly won't if we let stuff like this slide.


Ladder matter for people that play the game, and if you are "Robbed" of playing against a Weak person posing as GM than I am truly sorry.

The fact is Pros should be able to support themselves by their ability to play the game. How many other people "account share" and this isn't being brought up about them.

Pros use to advertise for this when the game first came out but since it breaks the EULA that was shut down. I am just shocked that someone would care and go through the effort to expose something so unimportant.


Well I have no idea if I've ever played against someone being levelled. If so, I wouldn't care about that singular match. What I do care about is my rank. I want my rank to mean something, even if I am just a lowly Diamond.

I play Starcraft to have fun and to improve. My rank is a reflection of my improvement. If the ladder is compromised in this way, my rank is meaningless. Now I lose motivation to play.

I like people to earn their way, both in life, and in Starcraft. Paying your way into advantageous positions in any aspect of life is frankly disgusting to me.


Your rank doesn't and have never meant anything, MMR does.
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 10:50:53
July 16 2012 10:40 GMT
#136
Yea, you're right about one thing. I am thinking "Who cares?". Seriously who gives a fuck, if some fool wants to pay someone to level their account it's no big deal. Maybe you should spend more time playing and improving if it really bothers you instead of caring about people who have artificial ranks.

Also this isn't even a problem that any of us can solve even if we wanted to, it would be up to Blizzard. And guess what? Blizzard has 38397329478 things to get done before they ever give a fuck about this.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 16 2012 10:44 GMT
#137
If you think ladder ranks matter, you're doing it wrong. Stop making drama over irrelevant things.
31415926535
Profile Joined May 2012
Switzerland276 Posts
July 16 2012 10:44 GMT
#138
On July 16 2012 19:09 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 18:30 seansye wrote:
On July 16 2012 18:20 Tobberoth wrote:
On July 16 2012 18:19 seansye wrote:
I dont see any of this being harmless to the buyer, seller, or breaking any rules even though it's against the rules for w.e reason. They will probably just get demoted the next season anyways. Just a huge pathetic waste of money to the buyer that can't spend their money on something better, but hey it's their hard earned money

People also do this on D3 by providing service to level characters to 60 on JSP.

No one is affected by you being carried to lvl 60. Players who are trying to break into GM, however, are hurt by pros who level up bad players accounts to GM, taking the of the few spots available. It's not comparable at all.


People who have to pay to get their accounts to GM are eventually going to fall off. Its not like being in GM gives you and special privileges. As long as your MMR is high enough you will be able to match with any GM player even if you're in masters.

This is a serious non issue. A real issue is hackers that take up a GM spot and can actually keep their spots.

Of course they are going to fall off, but the pros are still doing this as a service. Let's imagine 5 strong GM pros are doing this, and they get 2-3 people per week. That's 10-15 spots in GM taken by people who shouldn't be there, just like hackers. How long does it take to fall off because of inactivity? two weeks? And they can still be active, if they play once a week, they can probably stay in GM for quite a while, while the pros keep leveling up new people there. I guess this is somewhat migitated by the fact that GM is sort of "locked" when it's full, but still.

I'm all for good players making money, but this is not a cool way to do it and I would think most pros who do this kind of stuff wouldn't want to parade it around too much.

This is not really different from pros having smurf account in GM. Or koreans sharing accounts.
Also, I don't think you can stay in GM by playing one game per week.

GM and leagues are kind of a joke anyway, the only think that matter is MMR. Maybe they should rename leagues to small/medium/big penis, this would be closer to reality.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 16 2012 10:44 GMT
#139
On July 16 2012 19:23 Nokshalees wrote:
Jesus, you people would create drama over anything.

Teamliquid is just as bad as reddit.


Hardly. Posts like these that contribute nothing certainly drag it down though. Anyways, I don't think anyone can argue it's not a bad thing considering it's against the EULA and some tournaments have ladder ranking play a part into invites and whatnot. Don't forget the drama involving Zack getting invited into WCS..
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
July 16 2012 10:50 GMT
#140
On July 16 2012 19:40 Epoch wrote:
Yea, you're right about one thing. I am thinking "Who cares?". Seriously who gives a fuck, if some fool wants to pay someone to level their account it's no big deal. Maybe you should spend more time playing and improving if it really bothers you instead of caring about people who have artificial ranks.


What if I said I cared? o_O
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