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On June 06 2012 02:23 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I really don't see how Blizzard could possibly get mad at the community for do their job for them, lol. As long as you are fairly open with the development process to prove that their are no nasty surprises in whatever software is produced, there should literally be no reason for any objection from Blizzard.
Openness means nothing -- it's not like Blizzard has a couple developers on staff just waiting around to perform code reviews on open-source programs meant to integrate with SC2. Violation of TOS is enough reason for Blizzard objecting for that very reason. More than likely, the only way Blizzard would interact with such software would be to fingerprint it to add it to their list of known third-party extensions, so they could ban users if they started getting some complaints about it somehow.
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Our technology isn't advanced enough to do such things. Nope iccup launcher comes from the future, it doesn't count.
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If Blizzard promised to allow this it would be great.
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I had an idea that most likely wouldn't fly with Blizzard.
They can't install software that scans our computer to report what is in our RAM. But that doesn't mean we can't, right? In theory, have a launcher that we download and use, of our own free will, that scans and posts in chat at the start of every game, "I use <program name> and am verified as 100% hack free!" In theory you could shame people into getting it, pro's and "serious players" alike. If you're a GM and not using this program, how can anyone take you seriously?
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On June 06 2012 02:56 lavit2099 wrote:I had an idea that most likely wouldn't fly with Blizzard. They can't install software that scans our computer to report what is in our RAM. But that doesn't mean we can't, right? In theory, have a launcher that we download and use, of our own free will, that scans and posts in chat at the start of every game, "I use <program name> and am verified as 100% hack free!" In theory you could shame people into getting it, pro's and "serious players" alike. If you're a GM and not using this program, how can anyone take you seriously?
There is no program that can do this for us. Even if we demanded that all pro set up a live webcam of them playing the game and streamed it direclty to the tournament host(only, not over twitch), people still would find ways to cheat. That is the nature of a cheater, they will find ways to do it. People just need to be active and aware of what is out there. We also need to put more weight on live events, where players cannot use hacks.
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On June 06 2012 01:03 Jinsho wrote:
You're a real ideas man, OP. Why don't you start a Kickstarter to fund this? Name yourself the "supervisor" of the project too, coders love it when a guy with a vision tells them what to do.
Good to see you read the whole original post before dismissing it and decided to act like an ass.
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seems like you should start working on this 
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On June 06 2012 02:56 lavit2099 wrote:I had an idea that most likely wouldn't fly with Blizzard. They can't install software that scans our computer to report what is in our RAM. But that doesn't mean we can't, right? In theory, have a launcher that we download and use, of our own free will, that scans and posts in chat at the start of every game, "I use <program name> and am verified as 100% hack free!" In theory you could shame people into getting it, pro's and "serious players" alike. If you're a GM and not using this program, how can anyone take you seriously?
There's no integrity to that practice. Anybody can copy and paste that message a thousand times. Maybe if the program itself hacked the game and put its logo in your opponent's base temporarily. I kid, I kid ^^
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On June 06 2012 01:03 Jinsho wrote:
You're a real ideas man, OP. Why don't you start a Kickstarter to fund this? Name yourself the "supervisor" of the project too, coders love it when a guy with a vision tells them what to do.
I love it when a douchebag is out in the open for everyone to see.
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This seems like a good idea if it cna be implimented without any problems occuring for the user.
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Please make this =) Would be awesome!
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I don't see how this can prevent all the hacks out there. Not only do many hacks come with screenshot blockers, but I know of at least 1 that runs inside ring0 so unless your anti hack software can scan inside the Windows kernal, which is deeply invasive, you won't be able to detect it.
Edit: Okay so I don't know this for absolute fact, but it's what people have told me.
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On June 06 2012 03:15 Darkman wrote:
I don't see how this can prevent all the hacks out there. Not only do many hacks come with screenshot blockers, but I know of at least 1 that runs inside ring0 so unless your anti hack software can scan inside the Windows kernal, which is deeply invasive, you won't be able to detect it.
While this may be true, it's also a damn slight better than nothing. Especially with the majority of the community working to keep it up-to-date.
When you combine this with dedicated efforts to monitor replays and observe games, and something like a legal agreement at the outset of a tournament that anybody caught cheating is required to refund their prize money, it can take steps to legitimize online tournaments which are currently dangerously close to being deligitimized due to how easy it is to accuse somebody of hacking.
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Don't forget to consider 'low tech' hack solutions like simply pointing a camera towards a player's display setup.
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Thing is that if Blizzard really cracked down on hackers by releasing a program that directly supervises you while playing(ie: What the OP says:watch your running programs or detect your key presses) people would be accusing them of installing spyware on your computer XD.
But anyways great idea OP, although as many have said this won´t stop the hackings but at least we can react more quickly to the newer hacks and anyways the purpose of a software like this is to act more like a deterrent than an actual antihack tool.
I don´t know why people act as if hacks didn´t exist in ICCUP, as always this anti-hacking devices are as beatable as Blizzard´s Warden. With this kind of stuff its always a game of cat and mouse between the antihacking developers vs the hacking developers.
But yeah Blizzard will definitively won´t make something like this because they are too legally accountable for any software they make you run.
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Dude you realize that suggesting such a thing is meaningless without actual code. Its one thing to say "Lets bell the cat" another to actually do it.
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I commend you for making this topic, get people thinking. But your approach has no viable long term success. The objective should be -not- to defeat the hacks you see in front of you, but the people who are creating them. Conquer their minds instead of what they make with their tools.
To defeat hackers you must think more abstract, specifically targeting hack features will start the endless headless goose chase of the century... Which is what hacker's desire recognition, acknowledgement and all that.
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It seems like after every shitstorm a brave community member comes forward with a great answer/fix. After MKP vs. Parting, we got the resume game from replay device, and now we have this Nicely done.
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On June 06 2012 01:19 Heh_ wrote:Sounds like a good plan, but there's something to consider about looking at fog of war: 1: If a player scans a base, briefly looks and it, and comes back a minute later to see what he might have missed/count buildings, then these instances should be highlighted but not scream "maphack". 2: Looking at base locations to shift-click a scouting worker shouldn't be highlighted. Some people prefer to click on a screen instead of the minimap. 3: Scouting for proxies in the normal spots. 4: What should definitely be highlighted is when the player camera goes over a random area that has "nothing", but is hiding a proxy pylon or tech. How to fix this? For point 1 I don't have a good idea. You just have to flag it up and analyze manually. For point 2 and 3, I would suggest to ignore the instance if it is followed up by a click (or shift click) within 2 seconds of vision in that area. That way, you won't have a million false positives showing up when a player decides to spam shift click for legitimate scouting. Edit: Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 01:19 ZeromuS wrote:
I posted this in the other thread but here it goes.
In MOHAA there was an anti hack that would screen cap randomly. If you were suspected of hacking you would be given 24 hours to email an admin the screenshot collection and if hacks were found you would be banned, if none no ban and if no Emil you would get banned as well. Worked pretty well and it can work for tournaments run online only for sc2 idf there was a similar application. You could run an overlay that's recording your game with "normal vision", so the hack can only be seen by you, making the screenshot worthless.
Not necessarily, it doesn't have to screen cap sc2 but instead everything displayed on the desktop like hitting print screen on your keyboard.
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This should totally be included into beyonds gaming client BGLINK! since that application already offers some utility for tournaments
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