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Nancial
Profile Joined July 2011
197 Posts
June 05 2012 14:52 GMT
#61
cmon, zerg is imba now ;o.

but srsly, blizzard is not doing any good for sc2.
by improving queens and overlords they've actually DESTROYED my fav opening on small maps vs zerg - 10 pylon-10gate. It's not even a cheese just a way to put pressure and punish fast 2 or 3 bases... now its not viable so it's not like the game is imbalanced, but its BORING and it forces you to play expansion and only 1-2 strategies ALL the time (6gate immortals or 2-3 base colossi boring shit )

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Resonance
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada113 Posts
June 05 2012 15:09 GMT
#62
i'm wondering what the viability of a PvZ archon chargelot build is. after trying it on ladder in diamond league, it seems to hold up decently, but i'm not sure how well it works after that.
I play protoss because it's imbalanced. :D
Wherewolf
Profile Joined December 2010
United States353 Posts
June 05 2012 19:18 GMT
#63
What are the rough point values for low/mid/high masters?
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 19:28:55
June 05 2012 19:24 GMT
#64
What do people think about adding a second Starport with Reactor in the mid-game no matter what and going heavy Medivac/Marine(/Viking, if he's going Colossus)?

In my mid masters(around 700 points) experience it works great against HT's because a heck of a lot of Medivacs heal so much HP that Storms are practically useless if you simply kite the Zealots.
Colossus are easy to beat because of quad Viking production (obviously).

The down side is that you have to delay Ghosts or the second Ebay, and cut the one that isn't delayed respectively, since Medivacs and Vikings cost so much gas.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
June 05 2012 19:35 GMT
#65
On June 05 2012 23:52 Nancial wrote:
cmon, zerg is imba now ;o.

but srsly, blizzard is not doing any good for sc2.
by improving queens and overlords they've actually DESTROYED my fav opening on small maps vs zerg - 10 pylon-10gate. It's not even a cheese just a way to put pressure and punish fast 2 or 3 bases... now its not viable so it's not like the game is imbalanced, but its BORING and it forces you to play expansion and only 1-2 strategies ALL the time (6gate immortals or 2-3 base colossi boring shit )


I'm sorry, but there is nothing true about what is said here. No smart Zerg would try fast 3 bases against a gateway first, one base play, and any attempt at punishing a Zerg for fast expo is a cheese. FE is standard ZvP.

There are far more styles than you apparently think there are. Watch some of the Protoss streams and you will see.

If you don't like what Blizzard is doing, go complain on the battle.net forums.
Svetsunov
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 21:44:51
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#66
Evey time I see WhiteRa I just want to hug him.

Also what does the TL community think about Carrier based Builds?
"We make choices, but in the end our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan
Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 21:53:33
June 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#67
Honestly I recommend playing all of them for a while against AI. Give it about 10 games with each on a difficulty like Medium. See what one you enjoy more. I started as Protoss and switched to Zerg shortly after just because I enjoyed Zerg play style more.

Carrier based builds are peculiar, and strong. Unfortunately soon will no longer be possible.
Who is this guy? ^
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 05 2012 22:36 GMT
#68
I think it's hilarious that viable carrier based builds are coming out right before HotS removes them from the game. Same goes for defensive mamma ships.

But seriously, I think they have a place and like it was said, "You have to have a plan". You can't just say .. mm hm well he countered my Coloss and HT I will get carriers now. You have to be moving towards a late game goal of carriers.

우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
mitrah
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia6 Posts
June 06 2012 00:26 GMT
#69
On June 03 2012 12:52 TigerSushi183 wrote:
Hey im new into starcraft and wonder what is the best race to go for? i dont care about simplicity or not ive played many RTSs before ( such as C&C and sadly Halo wars >.<) any pointers?


If you play Terran, you will win Every single game all the way to grand master, just by making tier1 units
GLHF

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mitrah
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia6 Posts
June 06 2012 00:34 GMT
#70
On June 05 2012 23:52 Nancial wrote:
cmon, zerg is imba now ;o.

but srsly, blizzard is not doing any good for sc2.
by improving queens and overlords they've actually DESTROYED my fav opening on small maps vs zerg - 10 pylon-10gate. It's not even a cheese just a way to put pressure and punish fast 2 or 3 bases... now its not viable so it's not like the game is imbalanced, but its BORING and it forces you to play expansion and only 1-2 strategies ALL the time (6gate immortals or 2-3 base colossi boring shit )

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I think the zerg buff was long needed. Zerg was underpowered before, but now that zergs are learning more builds and play styles,in combination with the overlord speed for scouting and new queen range to make it a little easier to defend in the early game zerg is now on par with the other races
Apologise for playing that race!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 06 2012 01:41 GMT
#71
In my extremely underqualified opinion the overlord boost was desperately needed but I was mildly surprised they went for ranged ground instead of air. However seeing it play out, I'm confident in the changes and their intention has translated into my games.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
June 06 2012 01:57 GMT
#72
On June 06 2012 09:34 mitrah wrote:

I think the zerg buff was long needed. Zerg was underpowered before, but now that zergs are learning more builds and play styles,in combination with the overlord speed for scouting and new queen range to make it a little easier to defend in the early game zerg is now on par with the other races


This is very true. Now that I've seen it in action it's become a bit more viable.


On June 06 2012 10:41 Probe1 wrote:
In my extremely underqualified opinion the overlord boost was desperately needed but I was mildly surprised they went for ranged ground instead of air. However seeing it play out, I'm confident in the changes and their intention has translated into my games.


Queens, in my opinion were more used for early game defence instead of anti air. That goes without saying that the capability was quite welcomed.
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Medzo
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States627 Posts
June 06 2012 04:45 GMT
#73
If I havent played for a few seasons and I have 5 placement matches does this mean my MMR is reset completely?
Maldzar
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada33 Posts
June 06 2012 05:07 GMT
#74
On June 06 2012 13:45 Medzo wrote:
If I havent played for a few seasons and I have 5 placement matches does this mean my MMR is reset completely?

Yep. But I've heard that the mmr system is pretty efficiant, and you start playing against your level after game one. I might be wrong though, but I'm pretty sure it resets.
EH?
Moobla
Profile Joined May 2011
United States186 Posts
June 06 2012 07:09 GMT
#75
Just wondering if there are SPL vod's in HD. The EsportsTV youtube channel has somewhat low quality vod's.
"If you aren't attacking, you are probably losing." -QXC
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
June 06 2012 07:19 GMT
#76
PvP - 1 base colossus
PvT - 2 base colossus
PvZ - 3 base colossus

-.-` i'm starting to see a trend in current protoss "metagame".
medic_ro
Profile Joined July 2011
Romania105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 07:31:04
June 06 2012 07:28 GMT
#77
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grimsc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada2 Posts
June 06 2012 09:02 GMT
#78
This is targeted towards the Team Liquid site managers...

On your streaming lists, that show (T)WhO is currently streaming, could you please add some kind of tag right beside their name as to (P)Which race they play...

I understand it would be hard for the majority of the 100+ streamers that are on, to keep track of (P)Which race these players play... but could you please add some kind of option where either the top players or some top percentage have a (Z)Symbol right beside their name?

I know that its possible to click their name, and then let it load.. but sometimes I (P)WanT to watch a specific race and do not know much about the players.. including (T)What race they play.

I feel it would (Z)heLp..


Thank you for your wonderful service, and good luck to the Team Liquid SC2 team!

(P)grim
grimsc2
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada2 Posts
June 06 2012 09:02 GMT
#79
whoops
I have tagged a crap ton of races now...lol first time poster
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 09:56:00
June 06 2012 09:53 GMT
#80
On June 06 2012 18:02 grimsc2 wrote:
This is targeted towards the Team Liquid site managers...

On your streaming lists, that show (T)WhO is currently streaming, could you please add some kind of tag right beside their name as to (P)Which race they play...

I understand it would be hard for the majority of the 100+ streamers that are on, to keep track of (P)Which race these players play... but could you please add some kind of option where either the top players or some top percentage have a (Z)Symbol right beside their name?

I know that its possible to click their name, and then let it load.. but sometimes I (P)WanT to watch a specific race and do not know much about the players.. including (T)What race they play.

I feel it would (Z)heLp..


Thank you for your wonderful service, and good luck to the Team Liquid SC2 team!

(P)grim


That's so cute ^^ Go to your profile and check the settings you can make it show the races of players that are streaming (right sidebar preferences).

btw. If you're a protoss player and you're tired of people taking stupid risky expansions in PvP, join the dark side and roll them with blink. So worth it, i'm telling you
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