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On June 01 2012 04:15 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 03:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Thorzain deserves the code s just as much as Stephano or any other foreigner, and Violet is a very good choice he's gotten a lot better than he used to be. How does ThorZaIN deserve the spot as much as Stephano? Yes, he did win DH, but who did he beat besides Polt? Socke and Monster are nice, but not exactly code S level competition. And since then he literally lost all MU against Code A+ competition except one series against JYP and his LOLvT and one series against viOLet (I'm counting him as Code A+). Meanwhile, Stephano have taken sets off PartinG, Squitle, MC, Ganzi, Heart, Ryung at a fairly consistent rate.
Ohh, I didn't know OZ was so low skilled that he wasn't qualified better than Code A.
http://www.fnatic.com/news/9841/oz-loses-to-thorzain-in-mlg-prizefights.html
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On June 01 2012 04:30 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 03:19 gedatsu wrote:On June 01 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I say this every time a seed thread pops up, but I really dislike them. It devalues code s and all the hard work it takes to get there. Especially when you dodge all the monsters in code b. And there may even be more deserving players in code b. I understand it from a business perspective, but it hurts the integrity of the competition. To get into code S, a Korean must: 1. be really good at Starcraft To get into code S, a non-Korean must: 1. buy tickets to Korea 2. find a home in Korea 3. leave everyone you know 4. live in a country where nobody speaks the same language as you 5. be really good at Starcraft A Korean can live with their mom and practice in the basement. Live their life pretty much as they always have. If they fail to qualify, it's no problem to try again next time. A foreigner needs to say goodbye pretty much to their whole life, find a place to stay (they don't know for how long), go through a complete culture clash where they can't talk to anyone and don't even know what food is good to eat. You have no way to buy a ticket back in advance. All these things considered, I don't think it's unreasonable to give seeds. There are simply so many obstacles for a foreigner to compete in GSL that it's alright to eliminate one other obstacle, the qualifiers. They have already demonstrated in other tournaments that they have the skill. Now I would personally prefer seeds into U&D instead of code S, but it doesn't "devalue code S" anymore than giving east Asian teams their own qualifiers for the football world cup. They make it a point to be the world cup. Otherwise there would only be teams from Europe and South America participating, perhaps one or two African ones. GSL also makes it a point to be the Global Starcraft2 League - thereby making sure that they have representation not just from a single country. It's no wonder that your name is Gedatsu, because what the fuck are you going on about? Have you ever heard of a Korean pro gaming house? Koreans have to live in pro gaming houses. Which means that they must find a home too. If you are good enough for Code S then you are probably on a good team, think of all the foreign players who can actually play in Code S. I would say Nani, Thorzain and Stephano. StarTaleQ, SlayersEG and whatever the TSL-Mill partnership is called ;p Yeah they have to go to a different country and stuff but its not like they are being forced. "How careless!"
It's still considerable harder for foreigner. You should try live in a different country where you don't speak the language for a year (I lived in Finland and German for a year each, and more people speak better English there than in Korea I would assume, and it still sucked) and see how hard it is.
Assume there are 100 Korean and 100 NA/EU player who are all Code S level (yeah, I know it's not realistic, that's not the point anyway, just entertain me), 60-80 of Korean ones can try to qualify for it, while MAYBE 20 of them can for foreigners. Foreigners will be under-represented in GSL after adjusted for skill, so it's not unreasonable to invite a very limited number of them without jeopardize the level of competition. Maybe they should rename the league to KSL (if the current KSL doesn't exist) and be better off, but that's a whole other discussion.
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On June 01 2012 04:34 agh39 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 04:15 ragz_gt wrote:On June 01 2012 03:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Thorzain deserves the code s just as much as Stephano or any other foreigner, and Violet is a very good choice he's gotten a lot better than he used to be. How does ThorZaIN deserve the spot as much as Stephano? Yes, he did win DH, but who did he beat besides Polt? Socke and Monster are nice, but not exactly code S level competition. And since then he literally lost all MU against Code A+ competition except one series against JYP and his LOLvT and one series against viOLet (I'm counting him as Code A+). Meanwhile, Stephano have taken sets off PartinG, Squitle, MC, Ganzi, Heart, Ryung at a fairly consistent rate. Ohh, I didn't know OZ was so low skilled that he wasn't qualified better than Code A. http://www.fnatic.com/news/9841/oz-loses-to-thorzain-in-mlg-prizefights.html
Ah, I was not aware of that series over the weekend, good for him. But still, that's not really a consistent winning rate. He may do well, he may not, he may do well and still couldn't make out the group (half the Code S doesn't make out the first group), but it's really hard to argue ThorZaIN is equal to Stephano currently.
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I find it hard to believe MKP just happens to be in the same group as the 3 players who defeated him most recently x_x
so random lol
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On June 01 2012 04:30 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 03:19 gedatsu wrote:On June 01 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote:
I say this every time a seed thread pops up, but I really dislike them. It devalues code s and all the hard work it takes to get there. Especially when you dodge all the monsters in code b. And there may even be more deserving players in code b. I understand it from a business perspective, but it hurts the integrity of the competition. To get into code S, a Korean must: 1. be really good at Starcraft To get into code S, a non-Korean must: 1. buy tickets to Korea 2. find a home in Korea 3. leave everyone you know 4. live in a country where nobody speaks the same language as you 5. be really good at Starcraft A Korean can live with their mom and practice in the basement. Live their life pretty much as they always have. If they fail to qualify, it's no problem to try again next time. A foreigner needs to say goodbye pretty much to their whole life, find a place to stay (they don't know for how long), go through a complete culture clash where they can't talk to anyone and don't even know what food is good to eat. You have no way to buy a ticket back in advance. All these things considered, I don't think it's unreasonable to give seeds. There are simply so many obstacles for a foreigner to compete in GSL that it's alright to eliminate one other obstacle, the qualifiers. They have already demonstrated in other tournaments that they have the skill. Now I would personally prefer seeds into U&D instead of code S, but it doesn't "devalue code S" anymore than giving east Asian teams their own qualifiers for the football world cup. They make it a point to be the world cup. Otherwise there would only be teams from Europe and South America participating, perhaps one or two African ones. GSL also makes it a point to be the Global Starcraft2 League - thereby making sure that they have representation not just from a single country. It's no wonder that your name is Gedatsu, because what the fuck are you going on about? Have you ever heard of a Korean pro gaming house? Koreans have to live in pro gaming houses. Which means that they must find a home too. If you are good enough for Code S then you are probably on a good team, think of all the foreign players who can actually play in Code S. I would say Nani, Thorzain and Stephano. StarTaleQ, SlayersEG and whatever the TSL-Mill partnership is called ;p Yeah they have to go to a different country and stuff but its not like they are being forced. "How careless!"
They don't have to live in a pro house. It is of course beneficial for them if they do, but they can live at home. There have already been people in code A who have done so. Likewise, a foreigner can get help from their team with both housing and plane ticket. But even so, trying to qualify for code A is still a much larger commitment for them.
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On May 31 2012 15:21 shockaslim wrote:
The groups for GSL 2012 Season 3 were posted for a VERY brief moment. But I did catch a glimpse of who were in the groups......ThorZain and viOlet being the two that stuck out the most. Did anyone else catch this or know if it is set in stone?
No surprise to me. I was expecting ViOlet, but I would like it if they gave LucifroN the seed instead of ThorZaIN. He's much better than ThorZaIN, has proved himself and has actually 4-0'ed ThorzaIN at some tournament, not sure which one.
and another + is he has no weak matchups as far as I can tell.
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Thorzain? lol, its gonna be the same results as idra
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Violet deserves it, Thorzain definitely doesn't.
Shame Stephano didn't accept. Although I don't like him I'd be interested to see how he did in a GSL format.
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Grats to them both, not totally sure why Thorzain got an invite, but he is a foreigner so I will root for him!:D
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Thorzain got the invite because he won Dreamhack Stockholm. The 2 seeds were for strong performances in international tournaments, and Thorzain met that prerequisite. Are there more deserving invites perhaps? Maybe (I'm thinking of aLive and MMA, who won IPL 4 and Iron Squid respectively), but you can't say that Thorzain doesn't satisfy the requirements for the seed.
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Thorzain is a complete badass who has had the respect of a lot of Korean players for a long time, he's been playing great lately, and yeah, he deserves it given that Stephano already has an invite for season 4.
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Great choises since Stephano cant be there until next season I think Violet and Thorzain are the correct picks!
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On June 01 2012 06:01 Bagration wrote:
Thorzain got the invite because he won Dreamhack Stockholm. The 2 seeds were for strong performances in international tournaments, and Thorzain met that prerequisite. Are there more deserving invites perhaps? Maybe (I'm thinking of aLive and MMA, who won IPL 4 and Iron Squid respectively), but you can't say that Thorzain doesn't satisfy the requirements for the seed.
Yeah but I don't think they'd invite people who are in Code A. Have they ever?
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I'd actually put Thorzain up against Stephano and expect him to win at the moment. Give him a few months living with SlayerS and he's going to be the scariest foreigner on the planet.
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On June 01 2012 07:21 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:01 Bagration wrote:
Thorzain got the invite because he won Dreamhack Stockholm. The 2 seeds were for strong performances in international tournaments, and Thorzain met that prerequisite. Are there more deserving invites perhaps? Maybe (I'm thinking of aLive and MMA, who won IPL 4 and Iron Squid respectively), but you can't say that Thorzain doesn't satisfy the requirements for the seed. Yeah but I don't think they'd invite people who are in Code A. Have they ever?
Nope, not invites.
DRG got his Code S seed from MLG while he was in Code A though.
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Oh my lord, Mkp and Parting in same group... Thats just scary
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On June 01 2012 07:25 Evangelist wrote:
I'd actually put Thorzain up against Stephano and expect him to win at the moment. Give him a few months living with SlayerS and he's going to be the scariest foreigner on the planet.
Thorzain played against Stephano on EG practice stream.
They played on Shakuras, he was ahead and then suddenly he wasn't and got smashed.
I love Thorzain and i believe going to the Slayers house is going to make him very scary but right now he's just not on the same level as Stephano.
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On June 01 2012 04:52 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:21 shockaslim wrote:
The groups for GSL 2012 Season 3 were posted for a VERY brief moment. But I did catch a glimpse of who were in the groups......ThorZain and viOlet being the two that stuck out the most. Did anyone else catch this or know if it is set in stone? No surprise to me. I was expecting ViOlet, but I would like it if they gave LucifroN the seed instead of ThorZaIN. He's much better than ThorZaIN, has proved himself and has actually 4-0'ed ThorzaIN at some tournament, not sure which one. and another + is he has no weak matchups as far as I can tell.
On June 01 2012 05:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Violet deserves it, Thorzain definitely doesn't.
Dudes what do you have against thorzain ?
No get 4-0' him "at some tournament" doesn't automatically make him terrible. He already went to korea and performed decently, won major championships, and did some major things in teramleague.
Lucifron's achievements are quite weak in comparison, and even if thorzain seems in slump, I still go for the guy that already hold a championship (hi IMMVP  ).
Thorzain was without contest the best foregin terran for at least a year (and probably still is, I don't follow enough the foreign scene to be sure), it seems logical he gets a spot in code S.
Obviously if stephano was avalaible he would take thorzain spot but he can't so I'm really happy for thorzain  .
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hopefully this is true, both thorzain and violet definitely deserve it
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Personally, I don't feel anyone deserves a seed. Players work their ass off just for a Code A spot. To give a player such as Thorizan or Stephano(who is a great player) a Code S seed just because they're foreigners is ridiculous.
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