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On May 31 2012 23:30 Kkxtrouble wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : + Show Spoiler +Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT ! Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.  - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32. It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look... Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid. So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.
My first thoughts as well.
Let's see whether MKP has matured from his last run!
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On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi
It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition.
And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.
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On June 01 2012 00:38 Grampz wrote:
Need another zerggggg, sick race distribution!
Zenio and B4 were so close >_<
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On May 31 2012 23:30 Kkxtrouble wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : + Show Spoiler +Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT ! Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played. - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32. It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look... Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid. So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.
This isn't 6-8 months ago where MKP was a-moving groups of bio into siege lines and poorly executing gimmicky cheesy build orders, his tvt is really good now and has been for some time. I'd highly fancy him in a group full of terrans, as opposed to zergs as that matchup is hard these days. His tvp obviously kicks ass also, but parting is tough.
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On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics.
Isn't WCG supposed to be the Olympics of eSports?
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Funny how GOM put Nestea and Naniwa in the same group at first. I doubt it was coincidence.
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On June 01 2012 00:53 Sorkoas wrote:Isn't WCG supposed to be the Olympics of eSports?
+1
User was warned for this post
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On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition. And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.
Also, the olympics is based around national representation. Basically, looking to find the best of each nation and pitting them against the best of other nations to find the best nation's representation in an event. The GSL doesn't put limits on national representation, it's nothing like the olympics so this is always horrible comparison whenever it's made.
WCG is more like The Olympics in that sense.
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On June 01 2012 00:57 darkness wrote:
Funny how GOM put Nestea and Naniwa in the same group at first. I doubt it was coincidence.
Uhh...you actually think GOM picks what players go in what group.....?
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On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition. And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.
For what it's worth, Mr. Chae's justification of the current format (in a January 2012 TL email interview) was quite similar:
Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?
The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).
If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.
We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.
GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?
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I hope thorzain surprises me
Violet has a good chance though
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On June 01 2012 01:13 Inhumane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:57 darkness wrote:
Funny how GOM put Nestea and Naniwa in the same group at first. I doubt it was coincidence. Uhh...you actually think GOM picks what players go in what group.....?
Read what the above announcement says. I would hope not, but the fact is they're rearranging groups to meet certain times. To me that is absolutely ridiculous and unfair.
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Looking for viOlet to make a deep run. <3
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On June 01 2012 00:53 Sorkoas wrote:Isn't WCG supposed to be the Olympics of eSports?
Nah, WCG is just one company like all other organizers.
They just used to be the only big one - with national qualifiers.
Now we have Blizzard WCS as well, which seems to be a lot bigger.
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On May 31 2012 23:00 Roxor9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:43 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds. Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit. Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2. For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player. I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^ I guess being an ass online makes you sound more convincing.
I guess...your statement is completely useless and adds nothing to the conversation. Thank you.
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On June 01 2012 01:55 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 23:00 Roxor9999 wrote:On May 31 2012 22:43 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds. Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit. Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2. For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player. I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^ I guess being an ass online makes you sound more convincing. I guess...your statement is completely useless and adds nothing to the conversation. Thank you.
No problem.
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On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played. - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.
To be fair everyone called MVP picking Line. It seemed like picking one of MVPs best MU against the weakest code S zerg was a no brainer.
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On June 01 2012 01:13 Inhumane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:57 darkness wrote:
Funny how GOM put Nestea and Naniwa in the same group at first. I doubt it was coincidence. Uhh...you actually think GOM picks what players go in what group.....?
It is interesting how both Nestea and Naniwa are in same group and MKP is in a group with every player who has won a series off him in last 4 months (except Taeja)
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On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition. And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.
k, what about the Tennis grand slams? They happen four times a year, and they ALL have wild cards that typically get eliminated in the first round (only two wild cards have ever won a Grand Slam, both players that came back from retirement). They even give a "pitty" invitation to the top-rated Asian player that isn't good enough to qualify on his/her own every year at the Australian Open to increase TV ratings form Asia. Point being, wild cards for the purpose of increasing TV ratings, local interest and diversity happens in virtually EVERY sport.
I'm a part of a lot of sports fan commuities, and this is honestly the only one where I see people be so hot and bothered about wild card spots. I don't see any Tennis fan complain about how pitty invite Jonathan Dasnières de Veigy got humiliated by Juan Carlos Ferrero in the first round of the French Open and putting this up as an example of how inviting players that might attract TV ratings and fans is bad for the sport and saying that he should have refused his invitation and that he should have gone through the qualification tournament because he's terrible. Why is it that StarCraft fans have so much trouble accepting wild cards as a fact of life when its standard for virtually every individual sport's showcase event?
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On May 31 2012 15:39 Fubi wrote:
lol MKP/Parting/Symbol and poor Yugioh
Poor Yugioh? You do know MKP was in U/D instead of straight to Code S because of Yugioh, right? I won't be voting on MKP to get out of this group, but who knows what will happen. Each player has a chance.
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