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On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play? In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes? All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).
I have a team I cheer for, but honestly(and I'm responding more to the idea of wanting more seeds here) I wouldn't want my team to get preferential treatment just because I'm a fan of them, I'd want them to succeed on their own merits. I'm a fan of the Patriots, but if they performed horribly in the regular season, I wouldn't want them to be handed a playoff spot just because they're a popular team.
This can be applied directly to a couple of foreign players who have gotten repeat handouts from GOM. Yes, I would love to root for my favorite foreign players competing at the highest level of play in the world but only if they've proven that they can actually compete the same way as everyone else.
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seems like a lot more zergs this season, hope at least some of them make it out of ro32..
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So many NightEnd doubters. If he did get Violets spot in *that* group I've no doubt he'd get Ro16 at least.
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gonna be a sick gsl run with a few foreigners,lets see if anyone can follow up naniwa.
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On May 31 2012 23:22 Elwar wrote:
So many NightEnd doubters. If he did get Violets spot in *that* group I've no doubt he'd get Ro16 at least.
We don't have to doubt. He won't make it.
NightEnd is nowhere near Code S level.
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On May 31 2012 23:15 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play? In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes? All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point). I have a team I cheer for, but honestly(and I'm responding more to the idea of wanting more seeds here) I wouldn't want my team to get preferential treatment just because I'm a fan of them, I'd want them to succeed on their own merits. I'm a fan of the Patriots, but if they performed horribly in the regular season, I wouldn't want them to be handed a playoff spot just because they're a popular team. This can be applied directly to a couple of foreign players who have gotten repeat handouts from GOM. Yes, I would love to root for my favorite foreign players competing at the highest level of play in the world but only if they've proven that they can actually compete the same way as everyone else.
Exactly... it's one thing to root for someone, another to blindly follow them to the detrimental of the game. I love go to AA games near by, but if they compete in MLB, well, it would not be good at all. I'm fine with GOM giving out seed to who have shown that they can compete, but SC2 is not beauty pageant and should not be dictated by popularity.
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On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.  - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.
It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look...
Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid.
So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.
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Groups might not be correct but overall it makes sense that Violet and Thorzain would be the 2 invites.
I'm really excited to see how the groups get finalized
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On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play? In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes? All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).
My local football team NEVER gets to play in Europe because they are just not really that good in the grand scheme of things(like top 5 in Scotland) UEFA don't just say "ah those poor guys never get to play in the Europa League, lets just invite them anyways!" there is a fucking reason why this happens. They get into the qualifications(think of it like Code B ;p) and then they never ever ever make it out because they are just trash compared to most European teams. These lower tier European teams that fuck up my team are like Code A players. And even if by some miracle my team were to get into the actual competition. They would get crushed into a fine paste by the better teams such as Valencia, FC Porto and Athletic... i.e the Code S players of the Europa Cup
Yes I continue to cheer for them, do I want them seeded into the Europa League? OF COURSE NOT. It would be an embarrassment to get beaten so hard. In the same way I don't want to see some foreigner such as NightEnd(who is actually getting quite good) to go into Code S when he is clearly not ready yet.
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Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?
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On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?
never happened
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On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?
code S never, but in the open tournaments (back in 2010) it happened at least twice if not all 3 times.
Edit:
GSL 1 - 4 Foreigners (Idra, Torch, Artosis, TLO)
GSL 2 - 3 (Loner, Idra, TLO)
GSL 3 - 5 (Idra, Ret, Haypro, Jinro, Sen)
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On June 01 2012 00:04 CptGrackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER? code S never, but in the open tournaments (back in 2010) it happened at least twice if not all 3 times.
In the first season we had 4
![[image loading]](http://screensnapr.com/e/myuBh2.jpg)
In the second season we had 3
![[image loading]](http://screensnapr.com/e/vi2kuR.jpg)
In the third season we had the most foreigners ever, 5!
![[image loading]](http://screensnapr.com/e/EGqEq2.jpg)
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On May 31 2012 23:17 FidoDido wrote:
seems like a lot more zergs this season, hope at least some of them make it out of ro32..
With Violet being confirmed we're at 9, which puts us up +2 from the last season.
Also, in the entire history of code S the highest number we've ever reached in zergs was... 9 (January 2011, season 1 2012, and this season).
We usually hang between 8 and 7 for code S >_>
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On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?
It's been brought up multiple times already that Stephano is not playing this season. He's going in August.
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On May 31 2012 19:03 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed... I hope he gets on eventually
They missed their opportunity to give him at least an Up/Down seed in Season 1 (or was it 2) when he was actually coming off some decent performances at IEM, NASL2 and Assembly. Now he doesn't really deserve a seed as he hasn't done particularly well in recent tournaments.
To be honest he's really been robbed of it, back when he deserved it. There were like 2 Up/Down slots last season and only 1 was taken (Huk). His recent performances however didn't warrant a seed in this season's Up/Down.
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Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi
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Need another zerggggg, sick race distribution!
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On May 31 2012 15:41 pdd wrote:
Hmm.. what happened to Nightend then? He was mysteriously absent from Code A qualifiers and there doesn't seem to be a space for him in Code A already (40 players in it already).
Although Violet and Thorzain are far better Code S seeds than Nightend.
He was going to Korea to practice for Dreamhack, which is in 2 weeks, so I assume he will go back to Romania after Dreamhack
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On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play? In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes? All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).
Yea i do have a team i cheer for but i would find it dumb they get a free seed for stuff they simply don't deserve and probably will get slaughtered in. Yea i enjoy watching my favorite team getting destroyed, oh wait.
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