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Official statement by Snowbird: The brackets that were up for like 1min were not correct.
There will be adjustments because of schedule conflicts of some players (MLG, Dreamhack).
We will most likely post a final version of the brackets tomorrow.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 31 2012 14:15 GMT
#161
On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).


I have a team I cheer for, but honestly(and I'm responding more to the idea of wanting more seeds here) I wouldn't want my team to get preferential treatment just because I'm a fan of them, I'd want them to succeed on their own merits. I'm a fan of the Patriots, but if they performed horribly in the regular season, I wouldn't want them to be handed a playoff spot just because they're a popular team.

This can be applied directly to a couple of foreign players who have gotten repeat handouts from GOM. Yes, I would love to root for my favorite foreign players competing at the highest level of play in the world but only if they've proven that they can actually compete the same way as everyone else.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
May 31 2012 14:17 GMT
#162
seems like a lot more zergs this season, hope at least some of them make it out of ro32..
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
May 31 2012 14:22 GMT
#163
So many NightEnd doubters. If he did get Violets spot in *that* group I've no doubt he'd get Ro16 at least.
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
May 31 2012 14:25 GMT
#164
gonna be a sick gsl run with a few foreigners,lets see if anyone can follow up naniwa.
Don't worry, that's halo!
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 31 2012 14:26 GMT
#165
On May 31 2012 23:22 Elwar wrote:
So many NightEnd doubters. If he did get Violets spot in *that* group I've no doubt he'd get Ro16 at least.


We don't have to doubt. He won't make it.
NightEnd is nowhere near Code S level.
Play your best
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
May 31 2012 14:26 GMT
#166
On May 31 2012 23:15 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).


I have a team I cheer for, but honestly(and I'm responding more to the idea of wanting more seeds here) I wouldn't want my team to get preferential treatment just because I'm a fan of them, I'd want them to succeed on their own merits. I'm a fan of the Patriots, but if they performed horribly in the regular season, I wouldn't want them to be handed a playoff spot just because they're a popular team.

This can be applied directly to a couple of foreign players who have gotten repeat handouts from GOM. Yes, I would love to root for my favorite foreign players competing at the highest level of play in the world but only if they've proven that they can actually compete the same way as everyone else.


Exactly... it's one thing to root for someone, another to blindly follow them to the detrimental of the game. I love go to AA games near by, but if they compete in MLB, well, it would not be good at all. I'm fine with GOM giving out seed to who have shown that they can compete, but SC2 is not beauty pageant and should not be dictated by popularity.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Kkxtrouble
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil575 Posts
May 31 2012 14:30 GMT
#167
On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:
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On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.


It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look...
Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid.
So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
May 31 2012 14:34 GMT
#168
Groups might not be correct but overall it makes sense that Violet and Thorzain would be the 2 invites.

I'm really excited to see how the groups get finalized
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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 14:54:23
May 31 2012 14:53 GMT
#169
On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).


My local football team NEVER gets to play in Europe because they are just not really that good in the grand scheme of things(like top 5 in Scotland) UEFA don't just say "ah those poor guys never get to play in the Europa League, lets just invite them anyways!" there is a fucking reason why this happens. They get into the qualifications(think of it like Code B ;p) and then they never ever ever make it out because they are just trash compared to most European teams. These lower tier European teams that fuck up my team are like Code A players. And even if by some miracle my team were to get into the actual competition. They would get crushed into a fine paste by the better teams such as Valencia, FC Porto and Athletic... i.e the Code S players of the Europa Cup

Yes I continue to cheer for them, do I want them seeded into the Europa League? OF COURSE NOT. It would be an embarrassment to get beaten so hard. In the same way I don't want to see some foreigner such as NightEnd(who is actually getting quite good) to go into Code S when he is clearly not ready yet.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Haustka
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
May 31 2012 14:56 GMT
#170
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?
Power of Human Will
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
May 31 2012 15:03 GMT
#171
On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?


never happened
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 15:07:46
May 31 2012 15:04 GMT
#172
On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?


code S never, but in the open tournaments (back in 2010) it happened at least twice if not all 3 times.

Edit:
GSL 1 - 4 Foreigners (Idra, Torch, Artosis, TLO)
GSL 2 - 3 (Loner, Idra, TLO)
GSL 3 - 5 (Idra, Ret, Haypro, Jinro, Sen)
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
May 31 2012 15:08 GMT
#173
On June 01 2012 00:04 CptGrackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?


code S never, but in the open tournaments (back in 2010) it happened at least twice if not all 3 times.


In the first season we had 4

[image loading]

In the second season we had 3

[image loading]

In the third season we had the most foreigners ever, 5!

[image loading]
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 31 2012 15:18 GMT
#174
On May 31 2012 23:17 FidoDido wrote:
seems like a lot more zergs this season, hope at least some of them make it out of ro32..


With Violet being confirmed we're at 9, which puts us up +2 from the last season.

Also, in the entire history of code S the highest number we've ever reached in zergs was... 9 (January 2011, season 1 2012, and this season).

We usually hang between 8 and 7 for code S >_>
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Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
May 31 2012 15:21 GMT
#175
On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?

It's been brought up multiple times already that Stephano is not playing this season. He's going in August.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 31 2012 15:26 GMT
#176
On May 31 2012 19:03 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...
I hope he gets on eventually

They missed their opportunity to give him at least an Up/Down seed in Season 1 (or was it 2) when he was actually coming off some decent performances at IEM, NASL2 and Assembly. Now he doesn't really deserve a seed as he hasn't done particularly well in recent tournaments.

To be honest he's really been robbed of it, back when he deserved it. There were like 2 Up/Down slots last season and only 1 was taken (Huk). His recent performances however didn't warrant a seed in this season's Up/Down.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 31 2012 15:30 GMT
#177
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
May 31 2012 15:38 GMT
#178
Need another zerggggg, sick race distribution!
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
May 31 2012 15:38 GMT
#179
On May 31 2012 15:41 pdd wrote:
Hmm.. what happened to Nightend then? He was mysteriously absent from Code A qualifiers and there doesn't seem to be a space for him in Code A already (40 players in it already).

Although Violet and Thorzain are far better Code S seeds than Nightend.


He was going to Korea to practice for Dreamhack, which is in 2 weeks, so I assume he will go back to Romania after Dreamhack
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 15:47:09
May 31 2012 15:44 GMT
#180
On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).

Yea i do have a team i cheer for but i would find it dumb they get a free seed for stuff they simply don't deserve and probably will get slaughtered in. Yea i enjoy watching my favorite team getting destroyed, oh wait.
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