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Official statement by Snowbird: The brackets that were up for like 1min were not correct.
There will be adjustments because of schedule conflicts of some players (MLG, Dreamhack).
We will most likely post a final version of the brackets tomorrow.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
May 31 2012 13:20 GMT
#141
On May 31 2012 22:01 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:32 The KY wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:26 ES.Genie wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote:
On May 31 2012 19:32 Gecko4lif wrote:
ouch

thorzain and naniwa have some rough groups


Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group.

Naniwa's got his though. Creator is good but he's still an up and comer and Nani has beaten better Code S protoss frequently. Naniwa has Nestea's number and although it could go either way in that match I'm still betting on Nani. And Naniwa's PvT is good enough to take out any (sorry STC) second tier korean terran.

Oh that foreigner bias...


I think that's a pretty fair bet to be 100% honest. Nestea isn't the zerg he was and Creator and TheSTC are definitely not the top of the top. Naniwa's groups last season were harder. I don't think it's unfair to call him the favourite in the group.

EDIT: And, thinking about it...

On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote:
Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group.


That foreigner bias?


Creator is excellent, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stomp that group.


He's very good yes. But I'm still giving it a couple seasons more until he starts showing really good results in Code S.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
May 31 2012 13:21 GMT
#142
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 31 2012 13:22 GMT
#143
if thorzain gets a seed he'll get rolled no doubt about it. he needs more time in korea.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
May 31 2012 13:22 GMT
#144
YESSS Naniwa and NesTea in the same group. This makes me happy
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 31 2012 13:27 GMT
#145
On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.



Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit.

Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2.


For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player.
For Aiur???
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 31 2012 13:34 GMT
#146
Naniwa's group is very doable.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
shaippen
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden88 Posts
May 31 2012 13:34 GMT
#147
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


It's just because the game gets more exciting when you have someone you really cheer for. If it's just any match you don't have much invested in players. For me, the TL previews are great since I can read a about a game and it will add a bit of drama, making me more engaged in the game.

Even if a game is high level, if I don't care about the result at all, a lot of the enjoyment is lost. Might not be the same for you.
Whynaut
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 13:38:31
May 31 2012 13:35 GMT
#148
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
May 31 2012 13:42 GMT
#149
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
[image loading]

Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


If this is correct: Nani and nestea... shit thats a sad constelation even group a dont know maybe poor zenex line gets crushed right away. Hope for DRG he has no easy group but maybe he can make it
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
May 31 2012 13:43 GMT
#150
On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.



Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit.

Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2.


For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player.

I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO
And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^

User was temp banned for this post.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 31 2012 13:48 GMT
#151
That seems ridiculous to move people into different groups based on tournament availability. It should be 100% random or whatever.

Now if they want to move the group playing time that's okay, but to me it just seems like this system could cause problems.
brokenLoL
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom419 Posts
May 31 2012 13:48 GMT
#152
MMA deserves the seed for winning Iron Squid.
Save me from myself
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 31 2012 13:48 GMT
#153
I feel like Thorzain could do well if he is in Korea until the next Code S season, and takes that seed.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
May 31 2012 13:57 GMT
#154
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.

"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 31 2012 13:58 GMT
#155
On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?


I have to agree. The handouts are getting quite ridiculous and I hope this trend discontinues soon.

We've seen enough bush league shit and it doesn't stop here.
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
May 31 2012 14:00 GMT
#156
On May 31 2012 22:43 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:
On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.



Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit.

Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2.


For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player.

I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO
And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^

I guess being an ass online makes you sound more convincing.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
May 31 2012 14:01 GMT
#157
On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.



I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 31 2012 14:04 GMT
#158
On May 31 2012 22:42 Destroyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
[image loading]

Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


If this is correct: Nani and nestea... shit thats a sad constelation even group a dont know maybe poor zenex line gets crushed right away. Hope for DRG he has no easy group but maybe he can make it


Well, there are definitely not correct, else they wouldn't have said that they are not correct, haha.
Anyways, Thorzain and Violet are good choices for the Code S seeds.
.Riot
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines242 Posts
May 31 2012 14:05 GMT
#159
On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.



I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.

iirc, the finalists get to pick the second people in their group and then e verything else is randomized, much like how Jjakji picked Sen in that GSL season, and how Leenock picked Fin in his first code S run. Unless of course they changed that recently, which I don't know of
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
May 31 2012 14:08 GMT
#160
On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.



I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.


The previous season's finalists get to choose their first opponent (out of the eight players in the lowest tier). The rest of the group placements are random (with each group getting one player from each tier -- Tier 1 is just last season's top 8, and Tiers 2-4 are the rest of the players, in order of 2012 GSL Points).
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