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On May 31 2012 22:01 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 21:32 The KY wrote:On May 31 2012 21:26 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote:On May 31 2012 19:32 Gecko4lif wrote: ouch
thorzain and naniwa have some rough groups Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group. Naniwa's got his though. Creator is good but he's still an up and comer and Nani has beaten better Code S protoss frequently. Naniwa has Nestea's number and although it could go either way in that match I'm still betting on Nani. And Naniwa's PvT is good enough to take out any (sorry STC) second tier korean terran. Oh that foreigner bias... I think that's a pretty fair bet to be 100% honest. Nestea isn't the zerg he was and Creator and TheSTC are definitely not the top of the top. Naniwa's groups last season were harder. I don't think it's unfair to call him the favourite in the group. EDIT: And, thinking about it... On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote: Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group. That foreigner bias? Creator is excellent, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stomp that group.
He's very good yes. But I'm still giving it a couple seasons more until he starts showing really good results in Code S.
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On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote: i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?
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if thorzain gets a seed he'll get rolled no doubt about it. he needs more time in korea.
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YESSS Naniwa and NesTea in the same group. This makes me happy
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On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote: stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds. Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit. Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2.
For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player.
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Naniwa's group is very doable.
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On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote: i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?
It's just because the game gets more exciting when you have someone you really cheer for. If it's just any match you don't have much invested in players. For me, the TL previews are great since I can read a about a game and it will add a bit of drama, making me more engaged in the game.
Even if a game is high level, if I don't care about the result at all, a lot of the enjoyment is lost. Might not be the same for you.
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On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote: i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?
In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?
All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).
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On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/tDc1O.png) Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !
If this is correct: Nani and nestea... shit thats a sad constelation even group a dont know maybe poor zenex line gets crushed right away. Hope for DRG he has no easy group but maybe he can make it
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On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote: stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds. Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit. Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2. For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player. I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^
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That seems ridiculous to move people into different groups based on tournament availability. It should be 100% random or whatever.
Now if they want to move the group playing time that's okay, but to me it just seems like this system could cause problems.
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MMA deserves the seed for winning Iron Squid.
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I feel like Thorzain could do well if he is in Korea until the next Code S season, and takes that seed.
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On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : + Show Spoiler +Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !
Brief thoughts:
- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played. 
- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.
- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)
- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).
- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.
- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.
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On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote: i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers I thought you watched the game rather then the players. I will never understand statements like that. Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?
I have to agree. The handouts are getting quite ridiculous and I hope this trend discontinues soon.
We've seen enough bush league shit and it doesn't stop here.
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On May 31 2012 22:43 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote: stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds. Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit. Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2. For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player. I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^ I guess being an ass online makes you sound more convincing.
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On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.  - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.
I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.
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On May 31 2012 22:42 Destroyr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/tDc1O.png) Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT ! If this is correct: Nani and nestea... shit thats a sad constelation even group a dont know maybe poor zenex line gets crushed right away. Hope for DRG he has no easy group but maybe he can make it
Well, there are definitely not correct, else they wouldn't have said that they are not correct, haha. Anyways, Thorzain and Violet are good choices for the Code S seeds.
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On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : + Show Spoiler +Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT ! Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.  - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32. I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select. iirc, the finalists get to pick the second people in their group and then e verything else is randomized, much like how Jjakji picked Sen in that GSL season, and how Leenock picked Fin in his first code S run. Unless of course they changed that recently, which I don't know of
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On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter. Here they are : + Show Spoiler +Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT ! Brief thoughts: - IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.  - No surprise with Squirtle's pick. - If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers) - Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts). - There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other. - It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32. I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.
The previous season's finalists get to choose their first opponent (out of the eight players in the lowest tier). The rest of the group placements are random (with each group getting one player from each tier -- Tier 1 is just last season's top 8, and Tiers 2-4 are the rest of the players, in order of 2012 GSL Points).
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