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Official statement by Snowbird: The brackets that were up for like 1min were not correct.
There will be adjustments because of schedule conflicts of some players (MLG, Dreamhack).
We will most likely post a final version of the brackets tomorrow.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
May 31 2012 09:30 GMT
#101
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...
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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
May 31 2012 09:30 GMT
#102
On May 31 2012 17:01 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 16:49 Wroshe wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:39 AxionSteel wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:37 Wroshe wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:31 AxionSteel wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:28 AxionSteel wrote:
On May 31 2012 16:26 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:55 ObliviousNA wrote:
On May 31 2012 15:54 babylon wrote:
[quote]
Suhosin = Line. Don't discount him. He's pretty damn good when he chooses to be.

Parting hates his Zergy group.

Ah, I didn't make the connection. Yeah I guess not as terrible for him. I still can't see him beating MVP or Happy though.

Funny considering this guy got famous for knocking Mvp out of Super tournament.


Ganzi Beat Mvp in that tournament.


Owait. LOL my bad.

This guy was the guy that MKP knocked out with Mech on Terminus wasn't he? Who did he knock out again?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_Super_Tournament/Group_D

The demise of Jinro

In retrospect Jinro also really got bent over with those maps. That was still old Belshir with what feels like 96 different entrances to your natural (ok, ok, 3) and then of course Metalopolis in TvZ.

Can't remember the games close enough to know how well he played but at least the maps did not help.


the matches were extremely one sided if i recall, lots of mutas just raping. That's my memory. Could be wrong But yeh I was just sad after seeing his name there, this was one of the last times we saw him in gsl i guess.

And yeh I like seeds in general, but I think NightEnd getting one just seems a little weird. Thorzain won dreamhack, violet won MLG, that makes perfect sense. NightEnd is a decent player with no results but so happens to be in Korea, so they hand out a seed to him on a silver platter. I know he's been kicking ass on KR GM ladder, but that hardly qualifies lol.
Nothing against NightEnd, he has the coolest voice ever and I'd like to see him succed



To be fair it's not that NightEnd has no results, just not as prominent as others have. He got 3rd/4th at DreamHack Winter after giving PuMa a run for his money in the semi final. Which already made him a better choice then IdrA at the time but then again that also was a last minute replacement (NaNiwa's probe rush) so they likely couldn't be picky or else have an empty slot.

But just think about it: which other foreigner living in Korea would make more sense? Only other ones I could think of would be SaSe or else TLO/DeathAngel but those have hardly any recent results except for making it very far in Code A Qualifier(s).

-> Also I didn't say that NightEnd was a natural pick. I speculated on him being a replacement for viOlet. I do feel however that he'd be pretty much the best available substitute.


First question i want to ask you?
Do you think Nightend can legitimately challenged the Code S player and he is a deserving Code S player?

But then we dun really know whether or not violet rejected the Code S seed.

I doubt NightEnd would win a Code S series straight up, he'd have to get some luck.

Looking at this leaked (but apparantly wrong) we know that viOlet and ThorZaIN were the first choices for seeds and if either one of them is not in at the new group draw then we know that either one of them declined.
Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
May 31 2012 09:31 GMT
#103
i feel like ZeNEX Life deserves a seat after his performance in GSTL
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2012 09:36 GMT
#104
On May 31 2012 18:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i feel like ZeNEX Life deserves a seat after his performance in GSTL

while life's probably better than a few code s players, it's not much grounds to give him a code s seed... he'll be in there next season anyway ;D
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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
May 31 2012 09:38 GMT
#105
On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

You appear to be the first one that actually gets it.

Having said the pool of possible players is quite small: you're basically required to move to Korea for two months and have had some recent results. Having said that though there are some foreigners that are living in Korea so you could allways fall back on people like ToD or SaSe; having said that though their results are not as high as some foreigners outside of Korea.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
May 31 2012 09:41 GMT
#106
On May 31 2012 17:24 ThePlayer33 wrote:
give code a seeds gomtv...

They for some reason appear to no longer give out seeds to Up and Down. MorroW and HuK had one of those in the past. I guess that they can't attract the foreigners with they want with a (likely) run in Code A. The amount of money you opt out on in order to go to Korea is still huge.

It does make you wonder why they have never given one of those Code A seeds to some of the foreigners living in Korea full time such as ToD or SaSe. Benefit of giving them a seed is that you also don't have the "issue" of players forfeiting the GSL after a single season because they are going home again.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 09:57:54
May 31 2012 09:57 GMT
#107
edit: wrong thread....
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 31 2012 10:00 GMT
#108
GO THORZAIN

but fuck that is a tough group lol
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 10:02:54
May 31 2012 10:00 GMT
#109
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
May 31 2012 10:01 GMT
#110
On May 31 2012 19:00 iNcontroL wrote:
GO THORZAIN

but fuck that is a tough group lol


Aren't they all?
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 31 2012 10:03 GMT
#111
i really dislike the seed giveout system..
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
May 31 2012 10:03 GMT
#112
On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...
I hope he gets on eventually
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
May 31 2012 10:04 GMT
#113
On May 31 2012 19:01 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 19:00 iNcontroL wrote:
GO THORZAIN

but fuck that is a tough group lol


Aren't they all?

No matter what group Thorzain would end up in, he wouldn't be one of the favorites to advance. However a group with something like ZZP would favor him more than having to play a lot of TvT and possibly face the PvT monster that is Squirtle.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2012 10:05 GMT
#114
On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.
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Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
May 31 2012 10:09 GMT
#115
On May 31 2012 19:05 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?
ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
May 31 2012 10:14 GMT
#116
Naniwa and Nestea in the same group :D
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 31 2012 10:15 GMT
#117
On May 31 2012 19:09 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 19:05 opterown wrote:
On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?

polt got a seed for assembly afaik
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
May 31 2012 10:16 GMT
#118
On May 31 2012 19:09 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 19:05 opterown wrote:
On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?

Absolutely. Although Polt had a recent hot streak in foreign tournaments with winning Assembly and qualifying for IPL4 and NALS3 (and something else, forgot that).

While PuMa has had big foreign results he's never been on such a tear as Polt was that month.
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 10:19:45
May 31 2012 10:18 GMT
#119
On May 31 2012 19:14 ThatGuyDoMo wrote:
Naniwa and Nestea in the same group :D



HYPE

On May 31 2012 19:15 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2012 19:09 Sorkoas wrote:
On May 31 2012 19:05 opterown wrote:
On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?

polt got a seed for assembly afaik

I see. Thanks.
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
May 31 2012 10:23 GMT
#120
FuckyeaHHHHHHHHH, ThorZaIN! :DDDD
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