ThorZain and viOlet possible Code S seeds?

On May 31 2012 15:22 MeLo wrote:
What Stephano rejected?

On May 31 2012 15:22 MeLo wrote:
What Stephano rejected?

On May 31 2012 15:32 aznball123 wrote:
Violet? MLG/GSL still have that program?

On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.

On May 31 2012 15:41 pdd wrote:
Hmm.. what happened to Nightend then? He was mysteriously absent from Code A qualifiers and there doesn't seem to be a space for him in Code A already (40 players in it already).

Although Violet and Thorzain are far better Code S seeds than Nightend.

On May 31 2012 15:49 Fionn wrote:


I have a feeling that Violet was invited, but declined due to wanting to stay in America and focus on MLG and other foreign tournaments. If so, then the seed will probably go to NightEnd like rumored and we'll see probably a 50+ page thread on how this is the worst decision in the history of e-sports.

On May 31 2012 15:53 ObliviousNA wrote:
Anyone know who SuHoSin is? I kind of feel bad for him, I can't imagine him getting out of there... MVP is winning again, Genius is decent vs zerg (and a GSL finalist no less) and Happy is IM's vs Z specialist.

On May 31 2012 15:39 Fubi wrote:
lol MKP/Parting/Symbol and poor Yugioh

On May 31 2012 15:54 babylon wrote:

Suhosin = Line. Don't discount him. He's pretty damn good when he chooses to be.

Parting hates his Zergy group.

On May 31 2012 15:53 ObliviousNA wrote:
Anyone know who SuHoSin is? I kind of feel bad for him, I can't imagine him getting out of there... MVP is winning again, Genius is decent vs zerg (and a GSL finalist no less) and Happy is IM's vs Z specialist.

On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.

On May 31 2012 15:58 Amlitzer wrote:

Can't blame Mr. Chae for needing to cater to foreigners in order to put food on the table. Once the GSL becomes sufficiently popular enough I'm sure he will stop giving out these petty seeds, but in till then it's just good business sense. It also seems strange that GOM would give a seed to viOlet when he is in America dodging his military service.

On May 31 2012 15:49 Fionn wrote:


I have a feeling that Violet was invited, but declined due to wanting to stay in America and focus on MLG and other foreign tournaments. If so, then the seed will probably go to NightEnd like rumored and we'll see probably a 50+ page thread on how this is the worst decision in the history of e-sports.

On May 31 2012 16:07 pdd wrote:

Maybe they seeded MMA or another Code A player (Polt?) and gave Nightend that player's Code A spot.

On May 31 2012 15:35 Adreme wrote:


Well if stephano declined than only 2 people left who won foreign events who arent code S players are Violet and Squirtle.

On May 31 2012 15:39 Fionn wrote:
Very happy to see Violet back in Code S. He has somehow improved double since leaving MvP and moving to his new home in America. Could go very far.

And Thorzain is the right pick due to his win vs. Polt at Dreamhack.

All in all, the 100% right choices with Stephano not being able to do Code S till Season 4.

On May 31 2012 16:19 AxionSteel wrote:
not the worst group for ThorZaIN tbh, although all groups would be extremely difficult for him ofc, as all players are really strong these days.
I like Mvp's group, apart from having to teamkill Happy. Hopefully those two groups stay the same
I don't like MarineKing's group, 2 zergs, and Parting. Please change that

On May 31 2012 16:22 FakeDeath wrote:


What do you mean? Its the MOST STACKED GROUP.

It would be interesting to see who can make it out of that group.
(Parting,Symbol,Yugioh,MKP).XD

On May 31 2012 15:55 ObliviousNA wrote:

Ah, I didn't make the connection. Yeah I guess not as terrible for him. I still can't see him beating MVP or Happy though.

On May 31 2012 16:23 AxionSteel wrote:


I mean as a fan of MarineKing , zerg is fucking hard to beat, so I can see him struggling in that group. Parting is obviously extremely good, too.

On May 31 2012 16:26 S_SienZ wrote:

Funny considering this guy got famous for knocking Mvp out of Super tournament.

On May 31 2012 16:28 AxionSteel wrote:


Ganzi Beat Mvp in that tournament.

On May 31 2012 16:29 S_SienZ wrote:

Owait. LOL my bad.

This guy was the guy that MKP knocked out with Mech on Terminus wasn't he? Who did he knock out again?

On May 31 2012 15:49 Fionn wrote:


I have a feeling that Violet was invited, but declined due to wanting to stay in America and focus on MLG and other foreign tournaments. If so, then the seed will probably go to NightEnd like rumored and we'll see probably a 50+ page thread on how this is the worst decision in the history of e-sports.

On May 31 2012 16:31 AxionSteel wrote:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_GSL_Super_Tournament/Group_D

The demise of Jinro

On May 31 2012 16:37 Wroshe wrote:

In retrospect Jinro also really got bent over with those maps. That was still old Belshir with what feels like 96 different entrances to your natural (ok, ok, 3) and then of course Metalopolis in TvZ.

Can't remember the games close enough to know how well he played but at least the maps did not help.

On May 31 2012 15:41 pdd wrote:
Hmm.. what happened to Nightend then? He was mysteriously absent from Code A qualifiers and there doesn't seem to be a space for him in Code A already (40 players in it already).

Although Violet and Thorzain are far better Code S seeds than Nightend.

On May 31 2012 16:39 AxionSteel wrote:


the matches were extremely one sided if i recall, lots of mutas just raping. That's my memory. Could be wrong But yeh I was just sad after seeing his name there, this was one of the last times we saw him in gsl i guess.

And yeh I like seeds in general, but I think NightEnd getting one just seems a little weird. Thorzain won dreamhack, violet won MLG, that makes perfect sense. NightEnd is a decent player with no results but so happens to be in Korea, so they hand out a seed to him on a silver platter. I know he's been kicking ass on KR GM ladder, but that hardly qualifies lol.
Nothing against NightEnd, he has the coolest voice ever and I'd like to see him succed

On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.

On May 31 2012 16:49 Wroshe wrote:

To be fair it's not that NightEnd has no results, just not as prominent as others have. He got 3rd/4th at DreamHack Winter after giving PuMa a run for his money in the semi final. Which already made him a better choice then IdrA at the time but then again that also was a last minute replacement (NaNiwa's probe rush) so they likely couldn't be picky or else have an empty slot.

But just think about it: which other foreigner living in Korea would make more sense? Only other ones I could think of would be SaSe or else TLO/DeathAngel but those have hardly any recent results except for making it very far in Code A Qualifier(s).

-> Also I didn't say that NightEnd was a natural pick. I speculated on him being a replacement for viOlet. I do feel however that he'd be pretty much the best available substitute.

On May 31 2012 16:49 Wroshe wrote:

To be fair it's not that NightEnd has no results, just not as prominent as others have. He got 3rd/4th at DreamHack Winter after giving PuMa a run for his money in the semi final. Which already made him a better choice then IdrA at the time but then again that also was a last minute replacement (NaNiwa's probe rush) so they likely couldn't be picky or else have an empty slot.

But just think about it: which other foreigner living in Korea would make more sense? Only other ones I could think of would be SaSe or else TLO/DeathAngel but those have hardly any recent results except for making it very far in Code A Qualifier(s).

-> Also I didn't say that NightEnd was a natural pick. I speculated on him being a replacement for viOlet. I do feel however that he'd be pretty much the best available substitute.

On May 31 2012 16:53 S_SienZ wrote:

PuMa would be a better choice then by that logic.

On May 31 2012 16:54 AxionSteel wrote:


I'd rather they held a mini tournament with the players who finished 3rd in their Up/Down groups, and have the winner of that get the code S seed, not just hand it to some foreigner who happens to be in Korea. Or give it to PuMa himself, I mean they originally gave it to viOlet anyway who is Korean, so yeh. Maybe viOlet didn't decline in any case, but people seem to think he did.

On May 31 2012 16:57 Wroshe wrote:

For creating the strongest league possible your bolded idea would be the best idea. However that is not Gom's goal, they're running a business and giving a seed or two to foreigners increases season ticket sale by a lot.

On May 31 2012 16:59 AxionSteel wrote:


That is fine, but NightEnd doesn't exactly have a big fan base. I mean maybe some extras will tune in to see how he fares, but I bet plenty also wouldn't really care less.

On May 31 2012 16:49 Wroshe wrote:

To be fair it's not that NightEnd has no results, just not as prominent as others have. He got 3rd/4th at DreamHack Winter after giving PuMa a run for his money in the semi final. Which already made him a better choice then IdrA at the time but then again that also was a last minute replacement (NaNiwa's probe rush) so they likely couldn't be picky or else have an empty slot.

But just think about it: which other foreigner living in Korea would make more sense? Only other ones I could think of would be SaSe or else TLO/DeathAngel but those have hardly any recent results except for making it very far in Code A Qualifier(s).

-> Also I didn't say that NightEnd was a natural pick. I speculated on him being a replacement for viOlet. I do feel however that he'd be pretty much the best available substitute.

On May 31 2012 15:58 Amlitzer wrote:

Can't blame Mr. Chae for needing to cater to foreigners in order to put food on the table. Once the GSL becomes sufficiently popular enough I'm sure he will stop giving out these petty seeds, but in till then it's just good business sense. It also seems strange that GOM would give a seed to viOlet when he is in America dodging his military service.

On May 31 2012 17:16 kaelle_sc wrote:
NOT STEPHANO?

On May 31 2012 17:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Marineking vs Parting. Naniwa vs Nestea? totally randomized guys

On May 31 2012 17:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Marineking vs Parting. Naniwa vs Nestea? totally randomized guys

On May 31 2012 17:38 opterown wrote:
one thing i guess we can confirm though is that Mvp picked Line and Squirtle picked ThorZaIN?

On May 31 2012 17:40 Naniwa wrote:


its rando

On May 31 2012 17:43 opterown wrote:


Top 2 of last season get to pick their first match though afaik? ie drg picked thestc, genius picked bbbb last season
Also, hi nani ^^

On May 31 2012 17:49 Chromodoris wrote:

No that's for Ro16 groups. Ro32 groups are seeded, Ro8 last season are always at the top, but the picks are random.

On May 31 2012 17:49 Chromodoris wrote:

No that's for Ro16 groups. Ro32 groups are seeded, Ro8 last season are always at the top, but the picks are random.

On May 31 2012 17:54 Canucklehead wrote:


No, the 2 finalists from the previous season get to pick their opponents. The players are broken into 4 tiers based on gsl points and the 2 finalists each choose a player from tier 4. I remember MVP picked Sen the very first season of this format.

On May 31 2012 17:55 opterown wrote:


nope




that was jjkaji; leenock picked fin

On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 15:39 Boblhead wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds, even violet is iffy for me. Foreigners like all others just get knocked out first round, for the few who get mirror match ups like huk/naniwa in which they are good at then its different. But srsly mr chae needs to stop giving them seeds.

On May 31 2012 18:15 Sorkoas wrote:

I understand your point completely but what you are doing is arguing for a closed league. To be able to compete as a foreigner in GSL on the same conditions as the Koreans they have to live there and go through the same system with Code B and A. Is this really what we want to see?

The few foreigners who do get a chance in Code S usually already have beaten a lot of top Code S/A players to deserve that spot. I don't see how this can be such an issue for some people. Especially not considering how many viewers these foreign players probably attract when competing in Code S.

On May 31 2012 17:01 FakeDeath wrote:


First question i want to ask you?
Do you think Nightend can legitimately challenged the Code S player and he is a deserving Code S player?

But then we dun really know whether or not violet rejected the Code S seed.

On May 31 2012 18:31 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i feel like ZeNEX Life deserves a seat after his performance in GSTL

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 17:24 ThePlayer33 wrote:
give code a seeds gomtv...

On May 31 2012 18:30 Die4Ever wrote:
I wonder if Puma will ever get a seed...

On May 31 2012 19:00 iNcontroL wrote:
GO THORZAIN

but fuck that is a tough group lol

On May 31 2012 19:01 radiantshadow92 wrote:


Aren't they all?

On May 31 2012 19:00 Sorkoas wrote:
I think GomTV are working hard to get foreigners in their tournaments but at the same time making sure they are actually able to compete. Let's face it, very few foreigners have made it past the first stage of the GSL's they've been participating in.

When the BW scene makes a full switch I'm sure we will see A LOT of foreigners constantly in Korea since the spots in all leagues that will be going on combined with the Korean players will to participate in foreign events makes it much easier to balance out the competition. And I'm certain that GomTV will be the first company to take in a lot more foreigners.


Sorry for my ignorance, but what has PuMa done recently to deserve any sort of seed? (Please don't compare with the foreign players who get invited, because I think GomTV have shown clear intentions to make it easier for players not living in Korea to get a chance to qualify without going through Code B/A.)

On May 31 2012 19:05 opterown wrote:

Puma's done better internationally than polt (historically, at least). NASL was a bigger tournament than assembly.

On May 31 2012 19:09 Sorkoas wrote:

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?

On May 31 2012 19:09 Sorkoas wrote:

Oh, did Polt earn a seed from international results?

On May 31 2012 19:14 ThatGuyDoMo wrote:
Naniwa and Nestea in the same group :D

On May 31 2012 19:15 opterown wrote:

polt got a seed for assembly afaik

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 19:31 snailz wrote:
i'm sorry but NightEnd in EU is like random code b korean in GSTL: you may have heard of him and seen him play here and there, but doesn't have anything to justify a seed by gomtv.

ThorZain already did well in GSL, and Violet is just....... i think both of those guys really are the most deserving.


in regards to foreigners getting free tickets, to me GSL starts losing interest when there are no foreigners, so even though i sometimes grumble "ah crap why do they get these seeds and get roflstomped", deep down i know i actually get way more excited to see foreigners vs koreans in GSL than just plain best player in the world GSL that goes on when no foreigners attend/fail early

in example, i made time to watch Morrow and Idra even though that was super busy month for me, and had to miss most of rest of GSL that was going on in those days...

On May 31 2012 16:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:



Violet is korean not a foreigner, and Thorzain deserves his seed, he's top3 foreigners. Foreigners attract non-korean audience which theyw ant so their viewer numbers increase, without foreigners it would probably dip quite a bit.

On May 31 2012 21:14 Irave wrote:
Yay code S will have an American! Go Violet!

On May 31 2012 19:32 Gecko4lif wrote:
ouch

thorzain and naniwa have some rough groups

On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote:


Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group.

Naniwa's got his though. Creator is good but he's still an up and comer and Nani has beaten better Code S protoss frequently. Naniwa has Nestea's number and although it could go either way in that match I'm still betting on Nani. And Naniwa's PvT is good enough to take out any (sorry STC) second tier korean terran.

On May 31 2012 15:38 Naded wrote:
Naniwa and NesTea in same group? That'd be epic!

On May 31 2012 21:26 ES.Genie wrote:

Oh that foreigner bias...

On May 31 2012 21:24 The KY wrote:
Thorzain is gonna get destroyed in that group.

On May 31 2012 21:29 ChaosArcher wrote:
TLO gets the missing Code S seed after his great Qualifier performance and due to his huge fanbase, heard it here first!

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 21:32 The KY wrote:


I think that's a pretty fair bet to be 100% honest. Nestea isn't the zerg he was and Creator and TheSTC are definitely not the top of the top. Naniwa's groups last season were harder. I don't think it's unfair to call him the favourite in the group.

EDIT: And, thinking about it...



That foreigner bias?

On May 31 2012 22:01 AxionSteel wrote:


Creator is excellent, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stomp that group.

On May 31 2012 18:03 nufcrulz wrote:
i feel like gom needs to start giving out more seeds to foreigners.. i completely stopped watching the previous season after naniwa got knocked out. Foreigners = more viewers

On May 31 2012 21:17 ES.Genie wrote:

Violet lives in America, how can he be considered korean? Just like Naniwa and Huk can't really be seen as foreigners. They live in Korea, train in Korea, focus heavily on the GSL - they don't represent the foreign scene. Their success shows even more how the korean-model is far superior to how the foreign scene approaches SC2.

On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?

On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?

On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :


Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !

On May 31 2012 22:27 Fighter wrote:


For real? How can Violet be considered Korean? He is from Korea. He was born there. He has Korean parents. He grew up speaking Korean. No one really cares about the "scene", they care about players they have more in common with. Just because Violet happens to be living in Texas, that doesn't mean he and I have anything in common. Nothing personal against him, but he's only MARGINALLY more interesting than the average Korean player.

On May 31 2012 15:27 Opera wrote:
The groups have been posted on GomTV twitter.

Here they are :
+ Show Spoiler +

Edit : THESE GROUPS MAY NOT BE CORRECT !

On May 31 2012 22:21 Assirra wrote:

I thought you watched the game rather then the players.
I will never understand statements like that.
Why would you prefer lower play over higher play?

On May 31 2012 22:43 ES.Genie wrote:

I am talking about "korean" and "foreigner" gamewise. Ofcourse his nationality is Korean, but this whole "Korea vs the world" thing is not really about nationality, it's about where you train. Or do you honestly think having Korean citizenship makes you somehow better at Starcraft? oO
And really? Do people still believe in this "foreigner are interessting"-bullshit? Foreign fans are just idiots and go nuts, when some fat nerd queues up 5 tanks in his factory... But I guess that's fucking interessting and makes you a great personality. ^^

On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.

On May 31 2012 22:42 Destroyr wrote:


If this is correct: Nani and nestea... shit thats a sad constelation even group a dont know maybe poor zenex line gets crushed right away. Hope for DRG he has no easy group but maybe he can make it

On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:


I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.

On May 31 2012 23:01 Yonnua wrote:


I swear Mvp and Squirtle don't pick, the Ro32 is random based on how they qualified and the Ro16 is where they group select.

On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).

On May 31 2012 23:22 Elwar wrote:
So many NightEnd doubters. If he did get Violets spot in *that* group I've no doubt he'd get Ro16 at least.

On May 31 2012 23:15 Mordiford wrote:


I have a team I cheer for, but honestly(and I'm responding more to the idea of wanting more seeds here) I wouldn't want my team to get preferential treatment just because I'm a fan of them, I'd want them to succeed on their own merits. I'm a fan of the Patriots, but if they performed horribly in the regular season, I wouldn't want them to be handed a playoff spot just because they're a popular team.

This can be applied directly to a couple of foreign players who have gotten repeat handouts from GOM. Yes, I would love to root for my favorite foreign players competing at the highest level of play in the world but only if they've proven that they can actually compete the same way as everyone else.

On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.

On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).

On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?

On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?

On June 01 2012 00:04 CptGrackSparrow wrote:


code S never, but in the open tournaments (back in 2010) it happened at least twice if not all 3 times.

On May 31 2012 23:17 FidoDido wrote:
seems like a lot more zergs this season, hope at least some of them make it out of ro32..

On May 31 2012 23:56 Haustka wrote:
Thorzain, Stephano, and Naniwa in Code S? when was the last time we had three Foreigners in Code S? my memory is once again failing me cause I cannot remember... or NEVER?

On May 31 2012 19:03 yawnoC wrote:
I hope he gets on eventually

On May 31 2012 15:41 pdd wrote:
Hmm.. what happened to Nightend then? He was mysteriously absent from Code A qualifiers and there doesn't seem to be a space for him in Code A already (40 players in it already).

Although Violet and Thorzain are far better Code S seeds than Nightend.

On May 31 2012 22:35 Whynaut wrote:


In pro sports, don't you have a team you cheer for? Whose games you preferentially watch compared to those of some other two teams of potentially higher skill? When you're watching the olympics, don't you cheer for the Belgian team/athletes, even though they might not be the best? Ever notice how whoever broadcasts the olympics in your country usually focuses on your country's athletes?

All this is becasue most people are not emotionless fucking robots; it's alot more fun to watch anything competitive when you're rooting for one side to win. "Team foreigner" is a classic underdog story (though the script's getting a tad old at this point).

On May 31 2012 23:30 Kkxtrouble wrote:

It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look...
Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid.
So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.

On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics. There the competition isn't the highest level either per se as the players per country are capped. Players from a bad country often get in while they might not deserve it on their results alone. The international flavor of the event only adds to it's status though.
Foreigner seeds for GSL are a good thing. It gives the tournament some international flavor. THe players only get seeded into code S and still have to win their rounds so it's not too unfair at all. Considering the risks foreign players have to take to travel to korea it's more then fair they get a seed to give them a garanteed incentive for the travel. It's not like 2 seeds ruin the entire fairness of the competition yet it does add a nice international flavor.
I can't really complain with how they are doing the seeds at the moment, without them players like Naniwa might not even have bothered to go to Korea in the first place. I wouldn't like to see players like Nightend getting seeds before some serious results but the likes of Huk, Thorzain, Stephano, Polt etc are completely fine with me.
It's not unfair to the other code S or koreans at all either. In fact it's only good for them. WIthout seeds the games would be watched way less and thus their would be less sponsors/money for the koreans. The 30 code S players benefit from the two seeded guys by adding popularity, it's good for everyone really. Despite some people claiming here they think it's unfair I bet 95% here are more likely to watch a Naniwa or Thorzain game then something like Supernova vs Ganzi

On June 01 2012 00:38 Grampz wrote:
Need another zerggggg, sick race distribution!

On May 31 2012 23:30 Kkxtrouble wrote:

It may seem like MKP dodged a bullet but lets take a closer look...
Parting recently beat him in GSL, Yuhioh recently beat him in Code A and Symbol recently beat him in Iron Squid.
So if the groups are correct it looks like a group for MKP redeem himself of be crushed by players who have recently beat him.

On June 01 2012 00:30 Markwerf wrote:
Just see it like the olympics.

On June 01 2012 00:53 Sorkoas wrote:

Isn't WCG supposed to be the Olympics of eSports?

On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:


It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition.

And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.

On June 01 2012 00:57 darkness wrote:
Funny how GOM put Nestea and Naniwa in the same group at first. I doubt it was coincidence.

On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:


It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition.

And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.

Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?

The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).

If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.

We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.

GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?

On June 01 2012 01:13 Inhumane wrote:


Uhh...you actually think GOM picks what players go in what group.....?

On June 01 2012 00:53 Sorkoas wrote:

Isn't WCG supposed to be the Olympics of eSports?

On May 31 2012 23:00 Roxor9999 wrote:

I guess being an ass online makes you sound more convincing.

On June 01 2012 01:55 ES.Genie wrote:

I guess...your statement is completely useless and adds nothing to the conversation. Thank you.

On May 31 2012 22:57 jobber123rd wrote:


Brief thoughts:

- IIRC Fionn called Mvp's pick of Line immediately after Line qualified. Well played.

- No surprise with Squirtle's pick.

- If the groups hold, MKP dodged a 75% chance of drawing a Terran for his first matchup (see my mockup of the group draw tiers)

- Again, if the groups hold, the seed choices are the best ones given the current criteria (international tournament performance) and Stephano sitting out this season. Beyond those two, the choices are a bit ugly IMO (either promoting someone who just failed at U&D, or giving a seed to someone who doesn't have the resutlts).

- There's lots of reaction here about NaNiwa and NesTea, but it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which they wouldn't play each other.

- It's nice to see GOM once again trying to accomodate players going to foreign tournaments around the time of the Round of 32.

On June 01 2012 01:13 Inhumane wrote:


Uhh...you actually think GOM picks what players go in what group.....?

On June 01 2012 00:45 ragz_gt wrote:


It's only true if invitees don't make a fool out of themselves and discredit the competition.

And stop compare GSL to Olympics. If GSL is only once every 4 years, they can invite whoever the heck they want.