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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On May 31 2012 18:06 Coal wrote: Why don't we invite everyone that's GM@ NA? Imagine the viewer numbers!! Who needs Koreans when we could have a full foreigner league, in KOREA!!! ^_^ if skilled foreigners are good enough for RO8 GSL why not ^_^ | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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SealOverseer
Netherlands159 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:39 SealOverseer wrote: I don't know how make you understand this, but Violet is not going to Korea. You are confusing viOLet with Stephano? Where does anyone say viOLet is not going? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote: I say this every time a seed thread pops up, but I really dislike them. It devalues code s and all the hard work it takes to get there. Especially when you dodge all the monsters in code b. And there may even be more deserving players in code b. I understand it from a business perspective, but it hurts the integrity of the competition. I'm not against giving out seed to really deserving player who can't compete for code A / S spot (translate: not live in Korea). I don't see the harm in give out two seeds as long as they do not bring down the level of competition. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:15 -TesteR- wrote: if skilled foreigners are good enough for RO8 GSL why not ^_^ There are actually quite many foreigners who are skilled. But not many of them could make it to Ro8 of GSL. But the first post has a point. On average, a Korean tournament does indeed get more foreigner viewers when there are foreigners playing. In two months or so we will see another skilled foreigner in GSL code S who could also make it to Ro8 or possibly even further and at least I will be watching all of his games. I would love to see a gigantic amount of NA/EU GMs participating in the GSL Code A qualifiers. But I don't think that's going to happen. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:50 ragz_gt wrote: I'm not against giving out seed to really deserving player who can't compete for code A / S spot (translate: not live in Korea). I don't see the harm in give out two seeds as long as they do not bring down the level of competition. There are literally like 30 Koreans not in Code S that are probably very capable of giving Thorzain a run for his money on a regular basis. The reason foreigners are picked is because they increase viewership. It really does ruin the competitive environment a bit, because you end up having walkover wins in some groups a lot of the time (remember Idra/Sen?). | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:05 Shiori wrote: There are literally like 30 Koreans not in Code S that are probably very capable of giving Thorzain a run for his money on a regular basis. The reason foreigners are picked is because they increase viewership. It really does ruin the competitive environment a bit, because you end up having walkover wins in some groups a lot of the time (remember Idra/Sen?). Read my post again... I said deserving player, I did not name ThorZaIN, who I don't think have shown enough result consistently. I'm OK with viOLet, Nani last season, and Stephano (who have turned the Seed down). I don't think they should give Stephano a seed for next season, since he would be in Korea and he should compete through qualifier like everyone else. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:45 TBone- wrote: I say this every time a seed thread pops up, but I really dislike them. It devalues code s and all the hard work it takes to get there. Especially when you dodge all the monsters in code b. And there may even be more deserving players in code b. I understand it from a business perspective, but it hurts the integrity of the competition. To get into code S, a Korean must: 1. be really good at Starcraft To get into code S, a non-Korean must: 1. buy tickets to Korea 2. find a home in Korea 3. leave everyone you know 4. live in a country where nobody speaks the same language as you 5. be really good at Starcraft A Korean can live with their mom and practice in the basement. Live their life pretty much as they always have. If they fail to qualify, it's no problem to try again next time. A foreigner needs to say goodbye pretty much to their whole life, find a place to stay (they don't know for how long), go through a complete culture clash where they can't talk to anyone and don't even know what food is good to eat. You have no way to buy a ticket back in advance. All these things considered, I don't think it's unreasonable to give seeds. There are simply so many obstacles for a foreigner to compete in GSL that it's alright to eliminate one other obstacle, the qualifiers. They have already demonstrated in other tournaments that they have the skill. Now I would personally prefer seeds into U&D instead of code S, but it doesn't "devalue code S" anymore than giving east Asian teams their own qualifiers for the football world cup. They make it a point to be the world cup. Otherwise there would only be teams from Europe and South America participating, perhaps one or two African ones. GSL also makes it a point to be the Global Starcraft2 League - thereby making sure that they have representation not just from a single country. | ||
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:13 ragz_gt wrote: Read my post again... I said deserving player, I did not name ThorZaIN, who I don't think have shown enough result consistently. I'm OK with viOLet, Nani last season, and Stephano (who have turned the Seed down). I don't think they should give Stephano a seed for next season, since he would be in Korea and he should compete through qualifier like everyone else. I thought Stephano is going to Korea because he got invited to Code S. | ||
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KazmA
United States117 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:20 Sorkoas wrote: I thought Stephano is going to Korea because he got invited to Code S. He will be going to Korea in August I think. He got an invite to Code S this season but he he turned it down already since he won't be there in time. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:19 gedatsu wrote: To get into code S, a Korean must: 1. be really good at Starcraft To get into code S, a non-Korean must: 1. buy tickets to Korea 2. find a home in Korea 3. leave everyone you know 4. live in a country where nobody speaks the same language as you 5. be really good at Starcraft A Korean can live with their mom and practice in the basement. Live their life pretty much as they always have. If they fail to qualify, it's no problem to try again next time. A foreigner needs to say goodbye pretty much to their whole life, find a place to stay (they don't know for how long), go through a complete culture clash where they can't talk to anyone and don't even know what food is good to eat. You have no way to buy a ticket back in advance. All these things considered, I don't think it's unreasonable to give seeds. There are simply so many obstacles for a foreigner to compete in GSL that it's alright to eliminate one other obstacle, the qualifiers. They have already demonstrated in other tournaments that they have the skill. Now I would personally prefer seeds into U&D instead of code S, but it doesn't "devalue code S" anymore than giving east Asian teams their own qualifiers for the football world cup. They make it a point to be the world cup. Otherwise there would only be teams from Europe and South America participating, perhaps one or two African ones. GSL also makes it a point to be the Global Starcraft2 League - thereby making sure that they have representation not just from a single country. Exactly. A non Korean player would have to be totally dedicated and have a lot of financial backing just to attempt to get in Code S. It's completely theoretically possible, and even likely, that there are player at Code S level who cannot qualify for it. And I don't think it's outrageous for GOM to invite these player to participate in a "Global StarCraft II League". I think what GOM have tripped was not whether invite players or not, but who they invited. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:37 NovemberstOrm wrote: Thorzain deserves the code s just as much as Stephano or any other foreigner, and Violet is a very good choice he's gotten a lot better than he used to be. How does ThorZaIN deserve the spot as much as Stephano? Yes, he did win DH, but who did he beat besides Polt? Socke and Monster are nice, but not exactly code S level competition. And since then he literally lost all MU against Code A+ competition except one series against JYP and his LOLvT and one series against viOLet (I'm counting him as Code A+). Meanwhile, Stephano have taken sets off PartinG, Squitle, MC, Ganzi, Heart, Ryung at a fairly consistent rate. EDIT: It makes me sick to speak up for Stephano. Not a fan of his arrogance (not a witty kind like MC, just dry and mean), and really dislike his no shows over online events. However, let's be honest here, he is better and more achieved than ThorZaIN by a decent margin currently. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:19 gedatsu wrote: To get into code S, a Korean must: 1. be really good at Starcraft To get into code S, a non-Korean must: 1. buy tickets to Korea 2. find a home in Korea 3. leave everyone you know 4. live in a country where nobody speaks the same language as you 5. be really good at Starcraft A Korean can live with their mom and practice in the basement. Live their life pretty much as they always have. If they fail to qualify, it's no problem to try again next time. A foreigner needs to say goodbye pretty much to their whole life, find a place to stay (they don't know for how long), go through a complete culture clash where they can't talk to anyone and don't even know what food is good to eat. You have no way to buy a ticket back in advance. All these things considered, I don't think it's unreasonable to give seeds. There are simply so many obstacles for a foreigner to compete in GSL that it's alright to eliminate one other obstacle, the qualifiers. They have already demonstrated in other tournaments that they have the skill. Now I would personally prefer seeds into U&D instead of code S, but it doesn't "devalue code S" anymore than giving east Asian teams their own qualifiers for the football world cup. They make it a point to be the world cup. Otherwise there would only be teams from Europe and South America participating, perhaps one or two African ones. GSL also makes it a point to be the Global Starcraft2 League - thereby making sure that they have representation not just from a single country. It's no wonder that your name is Gedatsu, because what the fuck are you going on about? Have you ever heard of a Korean pro gaming house? Koreans have to live in pro gaming houses. Which means that they must find a home too. If you are good enough for Code S then you are probably on a good team, think of all the foreign players who can actually play in Code S. I would say Nani, Thorzain and Stephano. StarTaleQ, SlayersEG and whatever the TSL-Mill partnership is called ;p Yeah they have to go to a different country and stuff but its not like they are being forced. "How careless!" | ||
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