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On May 26 2012 02:12 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines Stop with the QQ and think on ways to adapt! Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. Well then don't go mass collosi vs mass-marines, adapt to the game and don't blame it on balance. Just play the game with skill.
Hahahaha, at this point I think you're just doing it to enrage everyone else. Ok, in your opinion, what change would balance the game?
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On May 26 2012 02:31 billiebrightside wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:12 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines Stop with the QQ and think on ways to adapt! On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:
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Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. Well then don't go mass collosi vs mass-marines, adapt to the game and don't blame it on balance. Just play the game with skill. Hahahaha, at this point I think you're just doing it to enrage everyone else. Ok, in your opinion, what change would balance the game?
I think you have just naturally discovered the concept of trolling. Primarch is parodying the attitude portrayed by a few people earlier in the thread, who were asserting that there is no imbalance, and that it's all up to skill/practice/creativity, something that Primarch disagrees with (I think).
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On May 26 2012 02:31 billiebrightside wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:12 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines Stop with the QQ and think on ways to adapt! On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:
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Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. Well then don't go mass collosi vs mass-marines, adapt to the game and don't blame it on balance. Just play the game with skill. Hahahaha, at this point I think you're just doing it to enrage everyone else. Ok, in your opinion, what change would balance the game?
ehm I'm not following...what is not balanced? Are you saying that the game is not balanced?
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On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus.
They would hard counter everything lol, We might as well give them detect while we are at it so Terran can mass marine against protoss engame army  I mean why not, Marines can already kill Broodlords, why not let them kill the cloaked units as well, such as the mother ship army.
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On May 26 2012 02:42 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:On May 25 2012 21:43 Batch wrote:
Where can I find the thread about Terran tears? Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. They would hard counter everything lol, We might as well give them detect while we are at it so Terran can mass marine against protoss engame army I mean why not, Marines can already kill Broodlords, why not let them kill the cloaked units as well, such as the mother ship army.
Just because a unit can hard-counter every other unit doesn't mean that players can't adapt to deal with that. Less QQ more skill.
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If you (a terran player) are staunchly convinced that TvP is imbalanced, start proxy rax bunker rushing like MVP did. It's really easy to do, mirrors a build that was popular in early seasons on TvZ, and it's exceptionally powerful if unscouted. Sure, you're not getting any better at the game doing that build, but you'll win a lot.
If this is not a viable suggestion to you (the terran player), then stop complaining entirely. People are slowly figuring out TvP late game now (for example any map that's splittable you can turtle behind PFs into pure BC/Ghost and stomp a protoss rather handily).
Any player in any matchup will go through streaks of losing as they need to adapt to builds. Look at the PvZ metagame right now for a great example of this. Stephano's 12 minute roach max took just about every league platinum and higher by storm, and nearly all zergs were doing that in their ZvPs. Then the immortal/sentry all-in became pretty popular, and low and behold, the ZvP meta is evening out (do you see the strategy bar loaded with ZvP [H] threads anymore? Didn't think so)
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize.
As to the actual topic (the balance patch) I'm a pretty big fan. DTs are much easier to deal with in PvP, and the queen buff made holding proxy gates much easier. In my ideal world, the radius of EMP would go back to 2. I always thought that nerf was too hastily done, even from a Protoss perspective, as it felt like it was a nerf to make playing protoss easier, rather than "fairer." As a toss when I tried to split my units, I didn't get owned so hard by EMP. Now watching the TvPs in the late game that little bit of extra EMP radius would really help, as it's a lot easier hitting the 10warp of zealots with a 2 radius EMP.
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On May 26 2012 02:44 ][Primarch][ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:42 Integra wrote:On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:On May 26 2012 00:54 teamhozac wrote:
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Where can I find the last time Terran received a buff? In Patch 1.4.0 Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. They would hard counter everything lol, We might as well give them detect while we are at it so Terran can mass marine against protoss engame army I mean why not, Marines can already kill Broodlords, why not let them kill the cloaked units as well, such as the mother ship army. Just because a unit can hard-counter every other unit doesn't mean that players can't adapt to deal with that. Less QQ more skill.
If a unit hard countered every other unit, you would only make that unit, because it hard counters everything...lol
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On May 26 2012 02:49 Sylfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:44 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 02:42 Integra wrote:On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:
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You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. They would hard counter everything lol, We might as well give them detect while we are at it so Terran can mass marine against protoss engame army I mean why not, Marines can already kill Broodlords, why not let them kill the cloaked units as well, such as the mother ship army. Just because a unit can hard-counter every other unit doesn't mean that players can't adapt to deal with that. Less QQ more skill. If a unit hard countered every other unit, you would only make that unit, because it hard counters everything...lol
Do I have to help you to adapt with everything. Try something else then! Canon-Micro, spine-crawler micro. In base hatchery with mass creep-spread. Mass overseer micro. Do I have to come up with everything. Just adapt for gods sake.
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On May 26 2012 02:49 Sylfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:44 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 02:42 Integra wrote:On May 26 2012 02:10 InoyouS2 wrote:On May 26 2012 02:06 YaShock wrote:On May 26 2012 01:31 eric237 wrote:On May 26 2012 01:30 ][Primarch][ wrote:On May 26 2012 01:18 ZenithM wrote:On May 26 2012 01:16 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 01:14 marttorn wrote:
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In Patch 1.4.0
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You asked Haha thanks, I needed a good laugh What did you expect though, Marine damage increased by 2? Marine damage increase by 2 would be reasonable...or are you to bad to adapt to that? I'm sure that you would QQ all day about it instead of just be a real man and play the game with skill..... .......... lol, you're adorable <3 Jesus, I really hope you are not serious, +2 damage/upg? You mean 3/3 marines would have 12 damage? Marines are still the most cost efficient units in the game, with that it would be impossible to stop mass marines I lol'd, at that DPS marines would hard-counter colossus. They would hard counter everything lol, We might as well give them detect while we are at it so Terran can mass marine against protoss engame army I mean why not, Marines can already kill Broodlords, why not let them kill the cloaked units as well, such as the mother ship army. Just because a unit can hard-counter every other unit doesn't mean that players can't adapt to deal with that. Less QQ more skill. If a unit hard countered every other unit, you would only make that unit, because it hard counters everything...lol
no, he is right, The other two races will have to develop playing styles and strategies to counter a unit of the Terran, Sounds fair to me!
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On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize.
Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all.
Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining.
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On May 26 2012 05:31 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize. Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all. Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining.
Yeah but they only listen to zerg and protoss whine, not terran
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On May 27 2012 06:53 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:31 Dalavita wrote:On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize. Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all. Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining. Yeah but they only listen to zerg and protoss whine, not terran
Its hard to listen to terran whine backed up by terran winning everything out there..
That was then. Now for the first time they actually have something to whine about, which is everything TvZ and endgame TvP. With both of them being hard to balance due to terran not having any proper lategame units. Especially TvP where siege tanks aren't viable. These might be issues not solevable before hots, which luckily isn't as far away anymore.
My 2 cents anyways. People might argue that terran is suppose to get an advantage into the lategame by having a better early and middlegame compared to the other two races, but what then happens, and is happening, is that every terran aims to finish in the middlegame where they are strongest, instead of aiming for a lategame. This is the same problem protosses have vs zerg atm. Its so much easier to finish the game in the middle before broods are out, that no protosses really wants to aim for the lategame where a single mistake can ruin their army in a second.
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On May 27 2012 06:53 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:31 Dalavita wrote:On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize. Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all. Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining. Yeah but they only listen to zerg and protoss whine, not terran
Yeah, they listened to the zerg and protoss, because when they were whining, the GSL was almost all terran. Every tournament was won by terran. The W/L ratios were massively in terran's favor. The reason they don't listen to terran whining right now is because W/L are about 50%, terrans win about 33% of the tournaments, and GSL has a very good racial distribution for the first time ever. In other words, the game is finally close to being statistically balanced... which I'm guessing is why you are whining now?
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On May 27 2012 07:44 convention wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 06:53 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 05:31 Dalavita wrote:On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize. Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all. Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining. Yeah but they only listen to zerg and protoss whine, not terran Yeah, they listened to the zerg and protoss, because when they were whining, the GSL was almost all terran. Every tournament was won by terran. The W/L ratios were massively in terran's favor. The reason they don't listen to terran whining right now is because W/L are about 50%, terrans win about 33% of the tournaments, and GSL has a very good racial distribution for the first time ever. In other words, the game is finally close to being statistically balanced... which I'm guessing is why you are whining now?
Yeah because we can all play as well as MKP and MVP, obviously terran needs more nerfs since these guys can consistently win, terran must be OP
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I love the GSL was all Terran argument when the old GSL structure was made to retain players in Code S, T was legitimately strong (probably too much so) early on, the maps were small and people just didn't play as well as they do today. Hello, plethora of strong allins putting a million Terrans into Code S and the structure keeping them in there.
I just wish they made stuff like BCs, Thors and Ravens better. Bio not being strong lategame is fine and all if Mech is actually viable. Not that it matters when Protoss is fundamentally broken and they refuse to adress that but what can you do...
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just out of curiosity, didn't terran already have the best late game advantage of having 40-50 more army supply because they can just use orbitals? So by having up to 20-30% more army supply shouldn't Terran be able to either crush their opponents army by having way more stuff or using it to take out production while equal armies fight it out?
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On May 27 2012 08:35 Coffee Zombie wrote:
I love the GSL was all Terran argument when the old GSL structure was made to retain players in Code S, T was legitimately strong (probably too much so) early on, the maps were small and people just didn't play as well as they do today. Hello, plethora of strong allins putting a million Terrans into Code S and the structure keeping them in there.
I just wish they made stuff like BCs, Thors and Ravens better. Bio not being strong lategame is fine and all if Mech is actually viable. Not that it matters when Protoss is fundamentally broken and they refuse to adress that but what can you do...
This.
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On May 27 2012 08:41 Cirqueenflex wrote:
just out of curiosity, didn't terran already have the best late game advantage of having 40-50 more army supply because they can just use orbitals? So by having up to 20-30% more army supply shouldn't Terran be able to either crush their opponents army by having way more stuff or using it to take out production while equal armies fight it out?
Yeah, having 15 SCVs is strong if you ever manage that. There's just this small annoying speedbump called chargelot-archon deathball with Storms and Colossi backed by warpgate reinforcements that's in the way. And it's ever so slightly steep. But yes, if Terran manages to get into a low-SCV Orbital powered extreme late game they are indeed strong.
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On May 27 2012 07:30 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 06:53 teamhozac wrote:On May 26 2012 05:31 Dalavita wrote:On May 26 2012 02:45 Durp wrote:
I can guarantee any terran player posting complaints here that you will not improve, nor will the balance of the game, by you typing your grievances here. However, play more and practice more, and your TvP will stabilize. Funny. This is exactly what terrans were telling zergs and protosses back in the day. You know what happened? Blizzard buffed them. They didn't learn to play at all. Based on Blizzards track record it's better to keep whining. Yeah but they only listen to zerg and protoss whine, not terran Its hard to listen to terran whine backed up by terran winning everything out there.. That was then. Now for the first time they actually have something to whine about, which is everything TvZ and endgame TvP. With both of them being hard to balance due to terran not having any proper lategame units. Especially TvP where siege tanks aren't viable. These might be issues not solevable before hots, which luckily isn't as far away anymore. My 2 cents anyways. People might argue that terran is suppose to get an advantage into the lategame by having a better early and middlegame compared to the other two races, but what then happens, and is happening, is that every terran aims to finish in the middlegame where they are strongest, instead of aiming for a lategame. This is the same problem protosses have vs zerg atm. Its so much easier to finish the game in the middle before broods are out, that no protosses really wants to aim for the lategame where a single mistake can ruin their army in a second.
Protoss has a mothership for all those broodlordies. 
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