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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 24 2012 10:33 GMT
#1781
omg this is still being bumped?

Keep thinking this is a new patch >_<

Wasn't there designated balance thread for whining or something?
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
May 24 2012 10:37 GMT
#1782
On May 24 2012 00:21 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:13 Shiori wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:56 Dalavita wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:52 NexUmbra wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:19 thepeonwhocould wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:34 jdsowa wrote:
T players who keep building up a late game army of T1 bio against T2/T3 gas-heavy AOE P max army are like the lab rat that continues to push the button and shock itself even after the food stops coming. Starcraft 2 is designed in such a way that expensive units beat less expensive units, and AOE--because of its cost effectiveness--is essential late game. Though I fear that once T players finally figure this out in a month or two, that there will be some other group of people whining about something. This is an incredibly tiresome aspect of following this game.


There are people who are earning a living from this game. There are hundreads of terran players in korea and around the world who's salaries depend on them being good at this game. If terran had a viable late game unit composition other than bio, don't you think those people who have been playing this game for 2 years and are paid money to be GOOD at this game would have discovered it by now? Did you see what happened when MvP got 3-3 battle cruisers? They fought at 200 suply each. After the battle, MvP had 90 supply, and Squirtle had 200 supply. That's what happens when terran gets their "T3 gas heavy army".

Do you have any idea how egotistical it is for you to state that terrans are loosing because they are not building tier 3 units, when the best players in the world cannot find a viable late game composition for terran? If they can't find it, what makes you so confident that it exists?


Thats like saying that PvZ is overpowered for protoss because if Zerg stack up their broods like a tool then they all get killed... if you stack 15 battlecruisers into a vortex then quite frankly you deserve to lose...


The BCs die regardless of vortexes.

Interesting, MVP disagrees with you and in fact said the exact opposite. Outside of Vortex, there is no way Squirtle could possibly have beaten that many BCs.


I don't think you ever saw BC's in big fights against Toss if you think MVP would've won the game. MVP would've barely won the fight but he would've died to reeinforcements of Squirtles insane bank and gateway count pretty soon after. You can't reeinforce an army like that .


Eh, i can tell you 100% if MVP had emp'd the mothership he would have won the game with those BCS. And it would not have been barely - he would have basically won the game right there. So Terrans stop complaining about the BCS dying in that game, the only reason MVP lost was because of vortex.
Sup
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
May 24 2012 11:18 GMT
#1783
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


This. How on earth are we supposed to harass an economic zerg?
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 24 2012 22:12 GMT
#1784
On May 24 2012 20:18 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


This. How on earth are we supposed to harass an economic zerg?


Proxy 11/11 still works on a professional level.
moo...for DRG
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
May 24 2012 22:16 GMT
#1785
On May 25 2012 07:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 20:18 yeint wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


This. How on earth are we supposed to harass an economic zerg?


Proxy 11/11 still works on a professional level.


Yes, very good harass build.
shikata ga nai
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
May 24 2012 22:26 GMT
#1786
On May 25 2012 07:16 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 07:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:18 yeint wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


This. How on earth are we supposed to harass an economic zerg?


Proxy 11/11 still works on a professional level.


Yes, very good harass build.


its an all in
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
May 24 2012 22:29 GMT
#1787
On May 25 2012 07:26 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 07:16 sam!zdat wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:18 yeint wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


This. How on earth are we supposed to harass an economic zerg?


Proxy 11/11 still works on a professional level.


Yes, very good harass build.


its an all in


bravo
shikata ga nai
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 22:46:39
May 24 2012 22:41 GMT
#1788
On May 24 2012 19:37 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 00:21 s3rp wrote:
On May 24 2012 00:13 Shiori wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:56 Dalavita wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:52 NexUmbra wrote:
On May 23 2012 23:19 thepeonwhocould wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:34 jdsowa wrote:
T players who keep building up a late game army of T1 bio against T2/T3 gas-heavy AOE P max army are like the lab rat that continues to push the button and shock itself even after the food stops coming. Starcraft 2 is designed in such a way that expensive units beat less expensive units, and AOE--because of its cost effectiveness--is essential late game. Though I fear that once T players finally figure this out in a month or two, that there will be some other group of people whining about something. This is an incredibly tiresome aspect of following this game.


There are people who are earning a living from this game. There are hundreads of terran players in korea and around the world who's salaries depend on them being good at this game. If terran had a viable late game unit composition other than bio, don't you think those people who have been playing this game for 2 years and are paid money to be GOOD at this game would have discovered it by now? Did you see what happened when MvP got 3-3 battle cruisers? They fought at 200 suply each. After the battle, MvP had 90 supply, and Squirtle had 200 supply. That's what happens when terran gets their "T3 gas heavy army".

Do you have any idea how egotistical it is for you to state that terrans are loosing because they are not building tier 3 units, when the best players in the world cannot find a viable late game composition for terran? If they can't find it, what makes you so confident that it exists?


Thats like saying that PvZ is overpowered for protoss because if Zerg stack up their broods like a tool then they all get killed... if you stack 15 battlecruisers into a vortex then quite frankly you deserve to lose...


The BCs die regardless of vortexes.

Interesting, MVP disagrees with you and in fact said the exact opposite. Outside of Vortex, there is no way Squirtle could possibly have beaten that many BCs.


I don't think you ever saw BC's in big fights against Toss if you think MVP would've won the game. MVP would've barely won the fight but he would've died to reeinforcements of Squirtles insane bank and gateway count pretty soon after. You can't reeinforce an army like that .


Eh, i can tell you 100% if MVP had emp'd the mothership he would have won the game with those BCS. And it would not have been barely - he would have basically won the game right there. So Terrans stop complaining about the BCS dying in that game, the only reason MVP lost was because of vortex.


I don't think he could've beaten a 8k 6k bank with what he had at mining . Most of the BC's that didn't die wouldve been severly damaged and irc MVP had no SCV's to repair ? I don't think he could've won with actually attacking . He should've bunkered down at the 2 remaining expos with Planetaries and just turtle. There's no way Squirtle could've broken him in like ever.


Maybe he would've and your right but i don't put a lick of trust into BC's at all, not even in TvT .
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
May 24 2012 23:07 GMT
#1789
I'm just curious, now that reapers can't kite queens isn't requiring factory for reaper speed redundant in TvZ?
Sup.
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
May 24 2012 23:19 GMT
#1790
On May 25 2012 08:07 dudeman001 wrote:
I'm just curious, now that reapers can't kite queens isn't requiring factory for reaper speed redundant in TvZ?


Or any of the reaper nerfs for that matter
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
May 24 2012 23:23 GMT
#1791
The queen buff doesn't break reactor hellion builds. Just forces you to use four or six hellions to deny early spread instead of just using two to dominate the map.
drybones
Profile Joined August 2011
United States69 Posts
May 24 2012 23:55 GMT
#1792
On May 25 2012 08:19 SolidMoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:07 dudeman001 wrote:
I'm just curious, now that reapers can't kite queens isn't requiring factory for reaper speed redundant in TvZ?


Or any of the reaper nerfs for that matter


correct me if im wrong but the reaper nerfts i think were due to the problems in 2v2 with TZ teams just going fast speed reaper ling and it being impossible to stop
if ur not improving ur falling behind
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
May 25 2012 11:58 GMT
#1793
On May 25 2012 08:23 lavit2099 wrote:
The queen buff doesn't break reactor hellion builds. Just forces you to use four or six hellions to deny early spread instead of just using two to dominate the map.


Since when did 2 hellions DOMINATE the map? lol, once ling speed is done you need like 6 hellions or you just get swarmed, even then if they catch you by surprise its all over
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
May 25 2012 12:00 GMT
#1794
On May 25 2012 08:55 drybones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:19 SolidMoose wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:07 dudeman001 wrote:
I'm just curious, now that reapers can't kite queens isn't requiring factory for reaper speed redundant in TvZ?


Or any of the reaper nerfs for that matter


correct me if im wrong but the reaper nerfts i think were due to the problems in 2v2 with TZ teams just going fast speed reaper ling and it being impossible to stop


If the reason for nerfing the reaper was based around 2v2 that would be ridiculous. So much for balance around the "top level" lol... but I doubt that was the reason for nerfing them
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
May 25 2012 12:16 GMT
#1795
Poll: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

Infestor (20)
 
77%

Queen (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Infestor



Preparing for next patch
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
May 25 2012 12:18 GMT
#1796
On May 25 2012 21:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Poll: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

Infestor (20)
 
77%

Queen (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Infestor



Preparing for next patch


Where's the option for both?

I do hope that the queen buff gets reverted on a serious note.
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
May 25 2012 12:18 GMT
#1797
On May 25 2012 21:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Poll: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

Infestor (20)
 
77%

Queen (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Infestor



Preparing for next patch


I think infestors are alright, queens are ridiculous though
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
May 25 2012 12:21 GMT
#1798
On May 25 2012 21:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Poll: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

Infestor (20)
 
77%

Queen (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Infestor



Preparing for next patch

no option to nerf tanks and marines?
RIP Meatloaf <3
SCRK
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands17 Posts
May 25 2012 12:31 GMT
#1799
On May 25 2012 21:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 21:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Poll: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

Infestor (20)
 
77%

Queen (6)
 
23%

26 total votes

Your vote: Nerf Queen or Infestor next patch?

(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Infestor



Preparing for next patch

no option to nerf tanks and marines?


No, the "I want to win every game"-button isn't yet available. Before the patch ZvT had a stable balance, so nerfing Terran after give Zerg the Queen buff would break the match-up.
Don't give in to the hardships ahead of you
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 12:32:31
May 25 2012 12:32 GMT
#1800
apparently the 'recognise sarcasm in written text' button isn't available yet either.
RIP Meatloaf <3
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