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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:27 Reval wrote: It's amazing how many people are skim reading. I guess people see what they want to see so they can rage. It's not even that. They just don't know that the Queen's air range is 7, apparently. Despite being happy for the Zerg buffs. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
Good. Going DTs in PvP should be a risky move, more so than any other techpath. That way, you might see a stable group of builds emerging with more potential for longer games, rather than the whole clusterfuck of counter-builds you see going around now. DT shits on Twilight without Robo. Fast Robo shits on DT (unless you get DTs yourself, like Hero...). Twilight shits on... Stargate, I guess? And Stargate is pretty good vs fast Robo. Then you get the whole fast expand stuff as well... | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:25 DKR wrote: The queen attack range is going to fuck up reapers I wish Blizz would quote their thought process for all patches, the observer one is random and the queen one seems badly thought out ... :/ The observer change is most likely to address the 111 from terran faster observer means faster immortal... both of which are needed to stop the 111 banshee tank marine union. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On May 10 2012 11:24 SolidMoose wrote: I still think this patch is totally unnecessary, except MAYBE the overlord speed, That need to fix what actually needs fixing. The queen range isn't even 3-4. It's randomly 3-5. .....no it was 3. How could you even make this conclusion? These are the kind of changes that are the ones that should be made. Everything Blizzard has done so far is fix everything that is broken. In that, they have succeeded. Nothing in WoL is broken, but there are still some imbalances. What now needs to be changed are other little things that can help fix the imbalances. Rather than nerfing the imbalanced thing, the proper change would be to change something else. (e.g. Protoss 2 base all-ins are too easy/strong vs. Zerg. The right changes might be OL speed and Queen range rather than Toss nerfs. Nerfs may affect PvT too much.) It would be better if this stuff could be tested on PTRs then, if it works, be implemented, but nobody who's opinion is worth anything plays the PTRs. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2583 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:31 neoghaleon55 wrote: The observer change is most likely to address the 111 from terran faster observer means faster immortal... both of which are needed to stop the 111 banshee tank marine union. It also means you'll know the attack is coming ten seconds earlier, allowing you to prepare correctly slightly faster. | ||
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Reval
United States297 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:30 Xivsa wrote: It's not even that. They just don't know that the Queen's air range is 7, apparently. Despite being happy for the Zerg buffs. 9 range queens.... the horror =) | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:34 Mr Showtime wrote: .....no it was 3. How could you even make this conclusion? These are the kind of changes that are the ones that should be made. Everything Blizzard has done so far is fix everything that is broken. In that, they have succeeded. Nothing in WoL is broken, but there are still some imbalances. What now needs to be changed are other little things that can help fix the imbalances. Rather than nerfing the imbalanced thing, the proper change would be to change something else. (e.g. Protoss 2 base all-ins are too easy/strong vs. Zerg. The right changes might be OL speed and Queen range rather than Toss nerfs. Nerfs may affect PvT too much.) It would be better if this stuff could be tested on PTRs then, if it works, be implemented, but nobody who's opinion is worth anything plays the PTRs. They've had a Blizz made custom map available over the past few weeks(?) with this changes implemented for people to play and provide feedback. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:30 SeaSwift wrote: Good. Going DTs in PvP should be a risky move, more so than any other techpath. That way, you might see a stable group of builds emerging with more potential for longer games, rather than the whole clusterfuck of counter-builds you see going around now. DT shits on Twilight without Robo. Fast Robo shits on DT (unless you get DTs yourself, like Hero...). Twilight shits on... Stargate, I guess? And Stargate is pretty good vs fast Robo. Then you get the whole fast expand stuff as well... You're assuming some kinda DT cheese here. But this makes even mid to late game DT usage a nightmare since even if you literally got a DT into their base it's like...20 seconds to build a chronod observer with this change? Though I can't complain about the change in terms of banshee use and scouting Terrans (wall off all the things!). | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:25 DKR wrote: The queen attack range is going to fuck up reapers I wish Blizz would quote their thought process for all patches, the observer one is random and the queen one seems badly thought out ... :/ reapers were already killed long before that. Making hellions a bit worse was just needed, i had rather seen range 4 though. I really wonder if FFE busts with queens will start to show up. Queens being able to freely pick off walls could really be good on smaller maps like korhal compound. For example make 3 quick queens walk em over while letting 2 queens at home and stream with lings after queens take down wall. | ||
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Anomi
Sweden149 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:30 Xivsa wrote: It's not even that. They just don't know that the Queen's air range is 7, apparently. Despite being happy for the Zerg buffs. Hahah yea lol. Now i feel even more ashamed xD | ||
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Anomi
Sweden149 Posts
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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Achaia
United States643 Posts
Super excited about zerg changes tho :D | ||
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Reval
United States297 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:43 Anomi wrote: The range effect should make it easier to use queens with roaches right?. as they can stay behinde and shot andd wont dance around as the immortatl did prepatch. Yeah I think a side-effect of the queen buff will make dealing with banelings in ZvZ a bit easier as well | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
OV speed seems to be a needed change, Zerg scouting in the early game is pitiful. I wonder if this will effect the unupgraded speed of overseers? | ||
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
Should have really listened to my big brother in the beta and just play protoss. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On May 10 2012 22:43 Anomi wrote: The range effect should make it easier to use queens with roaches right?. as they can stay behinde and shot andd wont dance around as the immortatl did prepatch. I think it's pretty much what they had in mind for that change yeah .... I'm pretty curious about trying to bust Protoss walls with Queens like some people mentioned, although I'm not really sure it could happen quick enough to make it viable (assuming your opponent scouts it as late as possible [when you start attacking his Forge] it stills give him a pretty decent amount of time to prepare, a second wall/cannons/chronoboost WG etc etc). | ||
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