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On May 04 2012 02:41 Sein wrote:
Assuming their management does both business and PR rather than specifically hiring PR people, not surprising at all. The team sounds like a disaster.
That is pretty much what I thought as well upon reading this. However, it's not only their fault. Someone is advising them, and that person is not doing their job properly.
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On May 04 2012 03:03 Kaal wrote:
In the last like 3 months this team has jumped ship from about 4 different sponsors.
Just saying.
No they have not. They left SK on mutual agrement after their contract ended. They pretty much wanted to go to a LAN in kiev and SK didn't want to use money to send them. SK didn't want to invest in dota2 so why have a dota team?
Then they signed with quantic and yes you can say they jumped ship to eC and now "left" eC. But who wouldn't leave eC if what is right in this interview is right?
Only thing they did that was stupid, was to leave quantic on false hopes. I just hope they have learned their lesson now...
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On May 04 2012 03:05 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums. There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding..... Ish, and how binding they are depend on how straightforward the terms are.
Depends on the legal system I think in Sweden there is no difference between verbal and written contracts (assuming written form is not required by law) Don´t know about US but seem to remember there being a difference.
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On May 04 2012 02:54 StrawA wrote:http://www.eclypsia.com/en/news-259.htmlShow nested quote +Further to the recent declarations from Mystress and her teammates about joining Eclypsia, we believe it is of a public interest to respond to what we see as partial, and grossly misleading.
Eclypsia is currently launching a Dota2 team.
Several existing teams as well as players have been contacted to this effect.
Eclypsia conditions to recruiting a team included capacities to stream and generate a specified audience.
A verbal agreement was found with Mystress ‘ Danish team to be transferred to Eclypsia on the base of the understanding and the acceptation of these conditions.
Unfortunately , the team was clearly unable to meet the conditions which therefore ended the agreement and the relationship.
We regret that many are taking their commitments too lighlty resulting in wasting time and energy for everybody involved
Eclypsia commits very seriously to its projects and strive to provide the utmost professionalism in every situation we deal with in order to deliver the best to the gamers.
We realize the gaming industry needs to undergo a major turn towards more professionalism and we believe we have a valuable contribution to make to this effect.
Eclypsia
Devotion to your emotion
So Eclypsia is saying the established organizations within the gaming industry need to be more professional, more like Eclypsia?
The April Fools joke and that according to Eclypsia everyone else is at fault here doesn't speak of professionalism really.
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who is this Eclypsia
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Eclypsia commits very seriously to its projects and strive to provide the utmost professionalism in every situation we deal with in order to deliver the best to the gamers.
We realize the gaming industry needs to undergo a major turn towards more professionalism and we believe we have a valuable contribution to make to this effect.
Yes, because that April Fools troll was so professional. Please, you can't have it both ways, hosting 'meme' contests and trolling about not paying your players, and then turn around and whine about the lack of professionalism.
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United States832 Posts
Since the first topic about Eclypsia I read I've always had 2nd thoughts about the team.
An organization out of nowhere signing really good players (and a few exceptions) that could sign with a lot of teams normally has different interests then the longstanding teams.
Same here, something seemed weird even before the April fools thing. As far as I can tell, they're not like Sixjax or FXO who had large financial backers with money from the get go. Both teams' strategy was just to pick up random decent players to get publicity and then replace them with better and better players as it became convenient (which worked for FXO, but obviously not for Sixjax). It seems like Eclypsia is maybe doing the same thing, but without the money to back up their acquisitions.
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United States11933 Posts
bumping this because it's so much worse then 95% of the shit the community gets riled up about but there seems to be little to no reaction.
this is worse then destiny's ladder rage, or eclypsia's own April fools gaffe.
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SoCal8910 Posts
hmmm.. it sounds like theres a lot of "he said-she said" going on here. im not sure how to interpret it because obviously it should not be happening, but who knows who is right when you have conflicting stories from both parties.
if you want to see how they treat their players, ask their players. not someone who was looking to be recruited. often times, people hear only what they want to hear.
/neutralargument
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I really don't know what to think about eclypsia at this moment in time..... there entire PR strategy is terrible it would seem :/
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On May 04 2012 03:16 crms wrote:bumping this because it's so much worse then 95% of the shit the community gets riled up about but there seems to be little to no reaction. this is worse then destiny's ladder rage, or eclypsia's own April fools gaffe.
Oh my god. I hadn't seen this before. That's disgraceful from a professional team.
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On May 04 2012 03:15 Tigerlily wrote:
who is this Eclypsia
An up-and-coming team which was launched 1st april with a horrible April fools joke. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325188) Their players include Welmu, Desrow, Scarlett, SloG and more.
They also did a "Eclypsia meme contest" which the community hated. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330889)
And now this when decided to branch out and pick up a DotA 2 team and it went quite horrible to say the least.
Eclypsia still feels like a shady team. Just hope they're legit with some mistakes, because I like their players 
(To the people saying Eclypsia outbidded other topteams for Scarlett is wrong. Scarlett herself stated that Eclypsia's offer was worse but she felt like the teamspirit was the best in it.)
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lol some danish guy gets butt hurt and now everyone says Eclypsia is bad..
you guys are ruinning esports ;<
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On May 04 2012 02:46 SupLilSon wrote:Yea, it's pretty ironic. Not all that surprised to be honest. Nothing against Eclypsia, just it seems like these stories keep popping up. These smaller teams need to do more planning. You don't see teams like EG, Liquid, Mouz, just to name a few professional teams, ever having these issues. I'm sure it's because they put the time into planning things before putting them into action. It's part of being a successful business/entity.
Especially EG. If there is 1 team that knows how to market themselves and be professional it is EG.
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Let's get this straight people.
Eclypsia's April Fool's Day joke was just that - a joke. This is in no way related to the current situation. It might be ironic, but there is no real world relevance. Please do not drone on about unprofessionalism. I can't imagine a "professional" April Fool's Joke.
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Okay, all the mudslinging that has been going on are just rumors. Until we see some form of evidence (contracts, transcripts etc), we don't know who is in the wrong.
Regardless of what actually happened, Eclypsia is the biggest loser here. After that April Fool's gaffe and the failed meme contest, this third strike is delivering a knockout blow to their reputation.
Seriously people should learn PR. A somewhat related example: the first time he heard about team LG was about a maphacker...
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On May 04 2012 03:27 plogamer wrote:
Let's get this straight people.
Eclypsia's April Fool's Day joke was just that - a joke. This is in no way related to the current situation. It might be ironic, but there is no real world relevance. Please do not drone on about unprofessionalism. I can't imagine a "professional" April Fool's Joke.
Jokes aren't simply jokes. Jokes have to be in good taste and people should be easily able to see the punchline. Some examples of April Fool's jokes on TL: Bomber going to the military. It generated a lot of discussion, but it wasn't malicious in any regard. Another example: some competition banning Korean players. Now that's sufficiently ridiculous that most people would realize that it's a joke. Now, the "joke" that Eclypsia made was terrible. Not paying salaries is a serious offense, and one that some people might empathize to. Furthermore, Eclypsia is a new team. Bad publicity is the worst possible thing that an organization can do if it's trying to get recognized.
Related example: would you walk into the middle of a black neighborhood and make racist jokes?
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United States11933 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:27 plogamer wrote:
Let's get this straight people.
Eclypsia's April Fool's Day joke was just that - a joke. This is in no way related to the current situation. It might be ironic, but there is no real world relevance. Please do not drone on about unprofessionalism. I can't imagine a "professional" April Fool's Joke.
is this 'professional'?
http://www.eclypsia.com/forum/showthread.php?65-Post-your-best-memes-to-win-coaching
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Well, I guess I somewhat understand Eclypsia's point of view on this one. They probably sent out an offer to several dota teams, and when multiple teams expressed interest sweetened the deal to see which team would respond.
If this was the first time Eclypsia had acted this way I wouldn't be a bit worried for their players...
But it's not. That "meme contest" bullshit was the worst thing I've ever seen a team do.
I actually think that the players of Exlypsia's SC2 team could do pretty well, so I REALLY hope some other sponsor buys them out.
On May 04 2012 03:27 plogamer wrote:
Let's get this straight people.
Eclypsia's April Fool's Day joke was just that - a joke. This is in no way related to the current situation. It might be ironic, but there is no real world relevance. Please do not drone on about unprofessionalism. I can't imagine a "professional" April Fool's Joke.
Nobody's using that to say Eclypsia is unprofessional.
It was just strike one. Not a big deal.
The meme contest however WAS truely unprofessional and really lets you know what Eclypsia is about: Exploitation.
"Hey, we have two starcraft 2 players who are REALLY easy to make fun of."
"Hmm, are they good players?"
"Yeah, but FUCKEM! Lets let the internet make fun of them and REWARD the people who do it best! It'll generate mad income bro!"
And now they're trying to get their Dota team to do their work for them.
Seriously, fuck these guys.
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