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On May 04 2012 02:51 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:49 S_SienZ wrote:On May 04 2012 02:47 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world. She's a girl, female. They were told/promised one thing.... the contracts were never sent out, and then they were told other things that were not originally agreed upon. Not a single quoted word mentions "promise". The word "propose" was used. Yes it does. The answer of the second question clearly says that they were promised contracts I'd quite like to hear what Quantic have to say about the situation. Its obvious that there would be a transfer fee for contracts, so what happened according to them?
Promised contracts in a few weeks. What morons would agree to that with details changing constantly?
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On May 04 2012 02:51 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:49 S_SienZ wrote:On May 04 2012 02:47 Utinni wrote:On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world. She's a girl, female. They were told/promised one thing.... the contracts were never sent out, and then they were told other things that were not originally agreed upon. Not a single quoted word mentions "promise". The word "propose" was used. Yes it does. The answer of the second question clearly says that they were promised contracts I'd quite like to hear what Quantic have to say about the situation. Its obvious that there would be a transfer fee for contracts, so what happened according to them?
I believe the interview says that the players paid it off themselves because Eclypsia refused to.
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contracts and money first.
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So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
no contract, no starcraft2, get out of here
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On May 04 2012 02:55 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world. No, that calling renegociating an offer that has already been accepted. You're an idiot. No need to thanks me for showing you the real world where people aren't nice when you throw stupidity.
if they havent signed anything theres no contract. if they were still talking about terms nothing had been agreed. just because he makes a forum post claiming things were 'agreed' means fuck all. either they had signed a contract or they hadnt. if they can produce a copy of said contract then ill believe them but untill then its just hearsay.
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On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.
There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....
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United States832 Posts
Yeah, I was waiting for this. One of the Eclypsia players (desrow?) already made a post about how they had lied to him and he had never been paid. When Eclypsia signed Scarlett I raised an eyebrow. A brand new team was out-bidding other teams for this new star player? I had already read the other post condemning Eclypsia. It takes a lot to build a team from scratch, and you have to have good players before you get good sponsors. I assume Eclypsia was operating on this principal thinking they could get enough money from signing good players to actually pay them...
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On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.
While they probably won't win a contract claim. It's possible they could bring an estoppel claim.
Especially if they were forced to pay settlements to Quantic and are now sponsorless because of it. That will most likely constitute detrimental reliance.
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In the last like 3 months this team has jumped ship from about 4 different sponsors.
Just saying.
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On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums. There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....
Ish, and how binding they are depend on how straightforward the terms are.
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On May 04 2012 03:02 theBOOCH wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for this. One of the Eclypsia players (desrow?) already made a post about how they had lied to him and he had never been paid. When Eclypsia signed Scarlett I raised an eyebrow. A brand new team was out-bidding other teams for this new star player? I had already read the other post condemning Eclypsia. It takes a lot to build a team from scratch, and you have to have good players before you get good sponsors. I assume Eclypsia was operating on this principal thinking they could get enough money from signing good players to actually pay them...
That part (the posts about Eclypsia not paying their players) was an April Fools joke. Not one that many people appreciated, but both the team and the players did announce later on that it was a jest in good spirit.
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums. There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....
wrong context, look up what an oral contract is first..
don't just say whatever things you've heard of
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On May 04 2012 03:03 Kaal wrote:
In the last like 3 months this team has jumped ship from about 4 different sponsors.
Just saying.
What does that have to do with Eclypsia's integrity?
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United States11933 Posts
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On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?
If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.
I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.
95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.
However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.
so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums. There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....
This is true but they likely won't hold up due to the amount of stipulations discussed
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Since the first topic about Eclypsia I read I've always had 2nd thoughts about the team.
An organization out of nowhere signing really good players (and a few exceptions) that could sign with a lot of teams normally has different interests then the longstanding teams.
Will see how this develops but it might not end well.
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United States832 Posts
That part (the posts about Eclypsia not paying their players) was an April Fools joke. Not one that many people appreciated, but both the team and the players did announce later on that it was a jest in good spirit.
Yeah, I just figured that out... How ironic that they're now being accused of doing exactly the same thing X( Maybe it was a real thing, but Eclypsia used April 1 as an excuse to negotiate with the players and push the whole thing under the rug D8 Maybe not, but either way, it was a really dumb April Fool's joke...
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I hope scarlett is okay 
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This makes me worried for the SC2 players that signed with Eclypsia :/
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