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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1779 Posts
May 03 2012 17:56 GMT
#41
On May 04 2012 02:51 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:49 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:47 Utinni wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world.

She's a girl, female. They were told/promised one thing.... the contracts were never sent out, and then they were told other things that were not originally agreed upon.

Not a single quoted word mentions "promise". The word "propose" was used.


Yes it does. The answer of the second question clearly says that they were promised contracts

I'd quite like to hear what Quantic have to say about the situation. Its obvious that there would be a transfer fee for contracts, so what happened according to them?

Promised contracts in a few weeks. What morons would agree to that with details changing constantly?
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
May 03 2012 17:56 GMT
#42
On May 04 2012 02:51 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:49 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:47 Utinni wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world.

She's a girl, female. They were told/promised one thing.... the contracts were never sent out, and then they were told other things that were not originally agreed upon.

Not a single quoted word mentions "promise". The word "propose" was used.


Yes it does. The answer of the second question clearly says that they were promised contracts

I'd quite like to hear what Quantic have to say about the situation. Its obvious that there would be a transfer fee for contracts, so what happened according to them?


I believe the interview says that the players paid it off themselves because Eclypsia refused to.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 03 2012 17:57 GMT
#43
contracts and money first.

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 17:59:42
May 03 2012 17:58 GMT
#44
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
May 03 2012 18:00 GMT
#45
no contract, no starcraft2, get out of here
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 03 2012 18:01 GMT
#46
On May 04 2012 02:55 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:46 ssg wrote:
This mystress guy sounds like an absolute moron. It looks like the team had ongoing negotiations with the contracts. That's called the real world.

No, that calling renegociating an offer that has already been accepted. You're an idiot. No need to thanks me for showing you the real world where people aren't nice when you throw stupidity.


if they havent signed anything theres no contract. if they were still talking about terms nothing had been agreed. just because he makes a forum post claiming things were 'agreed' means fuck all. either they had signed a contract or they hadnt. if they can produce a copy of said contract then ill believe them but untill then its just hearsay.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 18:02:17
May 03 2012 18:01 GMT
#47
On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.


There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....
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theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
May 03 2012 18:02 GMT
#48
Yeah, I was waiting for this. One of the Eclypsia players (desrow?) already made a post about how they had lied to him and he had never been paid. When Eclypsia signed Scarlett I raised an eyebrow. A brand new team was out-bidding other teams for this new star player? I had already read the other post condemning Eclypsia. It takes a lot to build a team from scratch, and you have to have good players before you get good sponsors. I assume Eclypsia was operating on this principal thinking they could get enough money from signing good players to actually pay them...
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 03 2012 18:02 GMT
#49
On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.

While they probably won't win a contract claim. It's possible they could bring an estoppel claim.

Especially if they were forced to pay settlements to Quantic and are now sponsorless because of it. That will most likely constitute detrimental reliance.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
May 03 2012 18:03 GMT
#50
In the last like 3 months this team has jumped ship from about 4 different sponsors.

Just saying.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
May 03 2012 18:05 GMT
#51
On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.


There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....

Ish, and how binding they are depend on how straightforward the terms are.
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 03 2012 18:05 GMT
#52
On May 04 2012 03:02 theBOOCH wrote:
Yeah, I was waiting for this. One of the Eclypsia players (desrow?) already made a post about how they had lied to him and he had never been paid. When Eclypsia signed Scarlett I raised an eyebrow. A brand new team was out-bidding other teams for this new star player? I had already read the other post condemning Eclypsia. It takes a lot to build a team from scratch, and you have to have good players before you get good sponsors. I assume Eclypsia was operating on this principal thinking they could get enough money from signing good players to actually pay them...


That part (the posts about Eclypsia not paying their players) was an April Fools joke. Not one that many people appreciated, but both the team and the players did announce later on that it was a jest in good spirit.
Such flammable little insects!
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
May 03 2012 18:05 GMT
#53
On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.


There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....


wrong context, look up what an oral contract is first..

don't just say whatever things you've heard of
deezy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30 Posts
May 03 2012 18:06 GMT
#54
On May 04 2012 03:03 Kaal wrote:
In the last like 3 months this team has jumped ship from about 4 different sponsors.

Just saying.



What does that have to do with Eclypsia's integrity?
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 18:13:05
May 03 2012 18:07 GMT
#55
On May 04 2012 02:28 Deeno wrote:
I sure hope Scarlett didn't join the wrong team :/



She joined the wrong team...


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330889


Just check out eclypsia's official forums...



http://www.eclypsia.com/forum/showthread.php?65-Post-your-best-memes-to-win-coaching




People rage at ladder BM to the point people get fired and banned, companies actually host 'meme' contest to ridicule it's own players.. no outrage. lolcommunity.
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1779 Posts
May 03 2012 18:07 GMT
#56
On May 04 2012 03:01 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:58 MasterReY wrote:
So was there a signed contract about the 7500€ without the 5000 viewer condition etc?

If not, the manager of Mystress has no right to complain imho.
If there is no contract then Eclypsia can do what they want with their own money.

I dont get how you can make a deal about so much money etc without contract. Pretty childish to complain now.

95% fault of Mystress if there was no contract.

However IF there was a contract, then Mystress should simple threaten Eclypsia to fulfill it or he will sue them.
Again in this case its the wrong way to complain about it. Just take the according actions.


so called "business men" in esports these days should grow up and make proper contracts instead of making handshake-deals and complain about it later on internet forums.


There is a thing called verbal contracts, and at least in the US (don't know about EU) they are legally binding.....

This is true but they likely won't hold up due to the amount of stipulations discussed
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
May 03 2012 18:09 GMT
#57
Since the first topic about Eclypsia I read I've always had 2nd thoughts about the team.

An organization out of nowhere signing really good players (and a few exceptions) that could sign with a lot of teams normally has different interests then the longstanding teams.

Will see how this develops but it might not end well.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
May 03 2012 18:09 GMT
#58
That part (the posts about Eclypsia not paying their players) was an April Fools joke. Not one that many people appreciated, but both the team and the players did announce later on that it was a jest in good spirit.

Yeah, I just figured that out... How ironic that they're now being accused of doing exactly the same thing X( Maybe it was a real thing, but Eclypsia used April 1 as an excuse to negotiate with the players and push the whole thing under the rug D8 Maybe not, but either way, it was a really dumb April Fool's joke...
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 03 2012 18:10 GMT
#59
I hope scarlett is okay
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Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
May 03 2012 18:10 GMT
#60
This makes me worried for the SC2 players that signed with Eclypsia :/
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