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ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:30 Picklebread wrote: This 50 energy queen thing is ridiculous, lol. Spread creep WAYYY too fast :/ Transfuse the moment the queen is spawned. I feel like it shuts down a lot of protoss aggression and some terran aggression too. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:35 ZeromuS wrote: Transfuse the moment the queen is spawned. I feel like it shuts down a lot of protoss aggression and some terran aggression too. ppl really need to go on the map and test this with friends. it doesnt shut anything down. the aggression is still there, just less powerful than before and slightly easier to defend. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:38 Ballistixz wrote: ppl really need to go on the map and test this with friends. it doesnt shut anything down. the aggression is still there, just less powerful than before and slightly easier to defend. I've seen it, i've tested it It does shut down quite a bit more than it did in before. Void ray pheonix already won't kill a third. But now you can't lift a queen and kill it with pheonix because theres a much faster transfuse. Catching a good timing against a new third with a set of zealots after a 3 hatch build is much less effective. The queen when it gets there or after it spawns can transfuse a spinecrawler as its building more than before. Lay one creep tumour, walk to third even if they get there with units before you as zerg are ready the transfuse will save you now whereas it didn't before. Its problematic because newer or more intricate timings on the third can be shut down much more easily. | ||
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hua052011
Austria1 Post
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Picklebread
808 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:35 ZeromuS wrote: Transfuse the moment the queen is spawned. I feel like it shuts down a lot of protoss aggression and some terran aggression too. Yea alot of allins early on too wont be nearly as useful. For example, if i think terran is allinning i just make 4 spines and make 2 more queens and have 2+ transfuses on the spot GG son. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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GloPikkle
United States197 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:43 ZeromuS wrote: Its problematic because newer or more intricate timings on the third can be shut down much more easily. Isn't that the point of the buff? The Protoss 2-base timing to kill the 3rd is basically the PvZ version of the 111 Terran 1-base except it's less all in, more flexible and requires more scouting to counter. The Immortal got buffed to help out with it, I don't see why 25 extra energy on queens is an unfair buff. 1-2 transfuses and an extra creep tumor in most situations will not save you if you react wrongly, but it makes defending the timing a little more manageable. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4838104108#1 | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:58 s3rp wrote: If Queens would spawn with 50 Energy how much creep would be spread before the first Helions arrive ? If you can't at least limit the creep as Terran in the beginning it could get pretty problematic pretty quickly. I mean the creep could already be at around the third in some of the smaller Maps before you even arrive at the Zergbase ? If Terran goes for basic reactor hellion opening and you creep with a queen at your natural when it first spawns, you can get 2 tumors down before the hellions arrive. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:43 ZeromuS wrote: I've seen it, i've tested it It does shut down quite a bit more than it did in before. Void ray pheonix already won't kill a third. But now you can't lift a queen and kill it with pheonix because theres a much faster transfuse. Catching a good timing against a new third with a set of zealots after a 3 hatch build is much less effective. The queen when it gets there or after it spawns can transfuse a spinecrawler as its building more than before. Lay one creep tumour, walk to third even if they get there with units before you as zerg are ready the transfuse will save you now whereas it didn't before. Its problematic because newer or more intricate timings on the third can be shut down much more easily. this, if this patch goes through not only will my timing/ harassment planned for the zergs free 3rd base be scouted 100% because of the ovie change, but they will also have a fk ton of transfuses and twice as much creep (particularly at the 3rd) making it much harder to do any damage at all. transfuse is already such a powerful spell, but now zergs will in general have much more energy making early zerg nearly untouchable. the only viable build in pvz after this patch will be fast 3rd base which zerg can then metagame and get even more drones/ faster 4th and brood lord infestor. i just don't feel like zerg is weak early game right now.. they have a very mapped out / practiced build (3 hatch no gas) that tells them what to do in every situation. it might help in TvZ (where early game still wasnt really an issue) but it will kind of break PvZ. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:04 neoghaleon55 wrote: OMG New Blizzard Statement regarding TvP!!! http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4838104108#1 HNNNNNNGG. I wish they'd just nerf T early/mid game and fix TvZ/TvP lategame instead of arguing that "overall" win rates are good. It's no fun playing as if there is a timer on each matchup. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:52 MorroW wrote: People are worried about transfuse but your forgetting Zerg will cover the map in creep like twice as fast lol. Good luck placing a pylon on zergs side of the map or managing anything with the cars xD We've already discussed this, I think we've all moved on to the next thing that makes the queen energy dumb. | ||
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/231323130#13 | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:04 neoghaleon55 wrote: OMG New Blizzard Statement regarding TvP!!! http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4838104108#1 what a bunch of contentless garbage seriously LOL | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:11 Luppy1 wrote: Queen energy buff removed. Queen anti ground range increased from 3-5. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/231323130#13 Thanks Luppy. Updating the OP. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:11 Luppy1 wrote: Queen energy buff removed. Queen anti ground range increased from 3-5. http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/231323130#13 wow...5 range queens... o_O that's as much as a marine. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
Extra queen ground range is interesting.. and seems fairly reasonable. Maybe 4 instead of 5 but still, it's not like it's a factor in battles. It's only for buffing zerg defence | ||
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theBlues
El Salvador638 Posts
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